Ghost in the Shell / Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence (1995-2004) 4K UHD

[Mobe1969]

Miyazaki has some bad example for subtitles (eg using dubtitles like in Mononoke). I know just enough Japanese for it to stand out that they are wrong.

So long as I can get subtitles, and they aren't borked (like the original US release of Innocence on DVD, and some of the blu ray releases of it - I get angry just thinking of how bad the UK Manga Innocence subtitles were), I'm happy. Anyone who wants to watch the dub, I'm happy when they have the option to do so as well. I don't think having just one or the other benefits anyone, but if no-one has paid for a dub to be made, it does happen.

I wish there were easy options to multiplex missing streams into media - like a player that would do it, for a language track or a missing subtitle for a dick playback (or even a streamed title)

[Cvalda]

The English dub of the original GITS starts with incorrect dialogue right off the bat, with the Major saying "Must be a loose wire" instead of what she should be saying: "It's that time of the month." The dub is rather dumbed down.

[samuelkhan999]

anhy chances of a hong kong uhd release?

[Batman1084]

Originally Posted by Cvalda

The English dub of the original GITS starts with incorrect dialogue right off the bat, with the Major saying "Must be a loose wire" instead of what she should be saying: "It's that time of the month." The dub is rather dumbed down.

I still like the dub quite a bit regardless of some of these issues. I really like the Major's voice in both Japanese and English but I feel Batou's voice really works in English a bit more. I think the way he says "stupid ********" in English sounds perfect.

Just a preference of mine.

[qw0aszx]

The PV of the new 4K-UHD.

The PV of the new 4K-UHD

[Vangeli]

Hoping it's not because of the OLED display on my phone but that footage looks crushed AF. Nice and colorful though, even more excited to see it in HDR!

[OutOfBoose]

Yeah, crushed shadows in the trailer have me worried. The image is a bit more contrasty and scrubbed.

I'll be really pissed if they didn't fix shadows on UHD.

At the moment it looks like they took the BD master, upscaled and DNR'ed it a bit, plus pushed contrast even further.

[Vangeli]

Could also be an HDR->SDR conversion gone wonky, or they may very well just be using footage from the current master "spruced up" for a new trailer. Every studio has been doing that for 4K releases; the marketing department probably just works with what they're given.

[kristoffer]

What happened to the grain?

[Batman1084]

Originally Posted by qw0aszx

The PV of the new 4K-UHD.

The PV of the new 4K-UHD

Everyone will find something to complain about... this looks friggin great to me!

[Vangeli]

Originally Posted by Batman1084

Everyone will find something to complain about... this looks friggin great to me!

Yeah, I'm thinking it's the remaster converted to SDR in a way that can retain the intense HDR highlights, so the shadows are crushed.

Definitely looks fun. I wonder if the source was ever actually very grainy to begin with. Maybe the grain is fine enough that a scaling algorithm could near-completely minimize it when brought down to 1080p.

Either way I'm excited!

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

Could also be an HDR->SDR conversion gone wonky, or they may very well just be using footage from the current master "spruced up" for a new trailer. Every studio has been doing that for 4K releases; the marketing department probably just works with what they're given.

HDR->SDR doesn't crush blacks (at least Madvr), as far as I know. SDR is capable of displaying proper black levels. It's usually about color and highlights.

I just hope the trailer isn't reflective of the actual UHD master. To be honest, I always thought that BD master was great overall, except for a few crushed scenes. So my only wish is fixed shadows.

[Vangeli]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

HDR->SDR doesn't crush blacks (at least Madvr), as far as I know. SDR is capable of displaying proper black levels. It's usually about color and highlights.

I just hope the trailer isn't reflective of the actual UHD master. To be honest, I always thought that BD master was great overall, except for a few crushed scenes. So my only wish is fixed shadows.

It looks like they retained HDR highlights in the trailer instead of HDR shadows is all I was suggesting.

[edit] Oh nevermind, just watched on my PC and yeah it's completely borked. OLED phone displays are waaaaaaay too vibrant and contrasty. Looks like the old master TBH.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

HDR->SDR doesn't crush blacks (at least Madvr), as far as I know. SDR is capable of displaying proper black levels. It's usually about color and highlights.

I just hope the trailer isn't reflective of the actual UHD master. To be honest, I always thought that BD master was great overall, except for a few crushed scenes. So my only wish is fixed shadows.

But conversion can affect the gamma of the images though, making them look darker in the blacks than they might otherwise be, and in that trailer the gamma's through the roof compared to the thin black levels that we know to expect from the film ordinarily (hence the live action film being shot according to the same principle, though they forgot to employ contrast as the anime does so effectively).

Still, I've got a nice edition of the current 1080p transfer with JPN 5.1 audio and a tweaked subtitle track that can always be reverted to, should the 4K be a bust, but I won't lie and say that I don't like the look of that trailer because it looks rather tasty to me.

[OutOfBoose]

Sure, HDR screen "lits up" shadow areas, so if there's any detail, it's easier to see it, unlike on a relatively dim SDR screen. But if details are crushed, like on the current BD master, HDR screen won't reveal anything either.

While it looks a bit more punchy due to higher contrast, and tiny bit more colorful, I don't like that they got rid of filmic texture. Reminds of all those anime rips, when authors hated even hint of grain. And modern digital anime.

[Geoff D]

But, as with you worrying about Grease, it's a YT trailer. I won't throw it under the bus re: grain/texture until I've seen it for myself.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DJJez

pre order is up and its only $110 (£80)

https://www.amazon.co.jp/GHOST-SHELL...rds=4k%20ghost

YesAsia have got the double pack up and it's also at the £80 quid mark, but as I said upthread I'll take that considering that the JPN BD of Innocence cost me £45 on its own! Shouldn't get any customs issues with YesAsia either, so that makes it a lot more attractive than amazon.jp as well.

https://www.yesasia.com/global/ghost...0-en/info.html

Ordered

[Geoff D]

Ah. Apparently yesasia are NOT customs friendly any more. But for more or less the exact same price as that, £84-ish at current conversion rates, the amazon.jp order includes a customs fees deposit.

Un-ordered at YesAsia

Ordered at amazon.jp

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But, as with you worrying about Grease, it's a YT trailer. I won't throw it under the bus re: grain/texture until I've seen it for myself.

I'm waiting for proofs, of course. But let's not deny a number of trailers for previous releases were indicative of the actual quality. I'm keeping that in mind and not rushing to pre-order.

[LFletcher]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ah. Apparently yesasia are NOT customs friendly any more.

Where did you see that YeasAsia are no longer customs friendly?