List of UHD Catalogs that contain Original Audio

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Is the 5.1 on the UHD different than the 5.1 on the original Close Encounters BD? I thought they were identical.

The audio was restored as well when they did the 4K. They used a 70mm printmaster, as I think they did on the previous mix(es), so it's not going to fundamentally differ in terms of what goes where but it's 16-bit while the old one was 24-bit. Could that affect it?

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The audio was restored as well when they did the 4K. They used a 70mm printmaster, as I think they did on the previous mix(es), so it's not going to fundamentally differ in terms of what goes where but it's 16-bit while the old one was 24-bit. Could that affect it?

Magnetic audio deteriorates super fast. After several decades, all of the high frequency ambient information has been wiped clean. No restoration can bring that back. The sound mixing culture has also drastically changed. Most new mixes have a more extended low end, but a much reduced midbass band. New mixes sound anemic. If you want good sound, stick to older laserdiscs. Criterion’s release of CEOTTK has the best sound quality out of any home video release.

[Markgway]

As well as listing the movie, it might be useful to list what the original sound format was and how it's represented.

E.g. PREDATOR
Theatrical: 35mm: Dolby Stereo 4.0; 70mm: 5.1
UHD: DTS-HD MA 4.0; DTS-HD MA 5.1

Bolded being original mixes.

[GKintz]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Criterion’s release of CEOTTK has the best sound quality out of any home video release.

The Criterion laserdisc audio was mastered from the 35mm mix, while the bluray and UHD were sourced from the 70mm printmaster mix. I would expect there to be some differences. Unfortunately the Criterion LD is a 4-2-4 matrix track vs being discrete, as I don't think home AC-3 / Dolby Digital was available at the time of that given Laserdisc release.

As Peter alluded to, the mono surround was given an occasional mild directional split surround enhancement for 5.1. But aside from that technically it's pretty faithful to the OG 70mm mix.

[steel_breeze]

Appreciating all these responses re: Close Encounters. So picking through all the info in the previous posts... and please excuse my ignorance... does it belong on the "original audio" list? And if so... does the older Blu-ray NOT qualify, or are they derived from the same source, as Geoff alluded to, thus making them BOTH "original audio"?

Still wondering about E.T. also. I'd never heard anywhere else that the UHD contains the original audio, yet it's on this list. Anyone know?

Sincere thanks to all the audio experts out there!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Markgway

As well as listing the movie, it might be useful to list what the original sound format was and how it's represented.

E.g. PREDATOR
Theatrical: 35mm: Dolby Stereo 4.0; 70mm: 5.1
UHD: DTS-HD MA 4.0; DTS-HD MA 5.1

Bolded being original mixes.

Just an example or the actual? Because Predator's 70MM mix was 4.2 - so like Close Encounters it's a slight upmix.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Close Encounters is a slight remix from 4.2 (70MM) to 5.1

Remapping isn't always remixing

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Just an example or the actual? Because Predator's 70MM mix was 4.2 - so like Close Encounters it's a slight upmix.

I stand corrected. I saw 'six channels' and jumped to a conclusion. That's why this thread needs that kind of info from people (like yourself) in the know.

So I guess the UHD's 5.1 isn't the original 70mm audio, but something close.

I would have the listing read, thus:

PREDATOR
Theatrical: 35mm: Dolby Stereo 4.0; 70mm: 4.2
UHD: DTS-HD MA 4.0; DTS-HD MA 5.1

Better?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Appreciating all these responses re: Close Encounters. So picking through all the info in the previous posts... and please excuse my ignorance... does it belong on the "original audio" list? And if so... does the older Blu-ray NOT qualify, or are they derived from the same source, as Geoff alluded to, thus making them BOTH "original audio"?

Still wondering about E.T. also. I'd never heard anywhere else that the UHD contains the original audio, yet it's on this list. Anyone know?

Sincere thanks to all the audio experts out there!

Yes ET has the 2.0 matrixed audio.

[jerclay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yes ET has the 2.0 matrixed audio.

But it's a lossy one.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Markgway

As well as listing the movie, it might be useful to list what the original sound format was and how it's represented.

E.g. PREDATOR
Theatrical: 35mm: Dolby Stereo 4.0; 70mm: 5.1
UHD: DTS-HD MA 4.0; DTS-HD MA 5.1

Bolded being original mixes.

That's all included inside the BD link and then the IMDB link is within that link.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by jerclay

But it's a lossy one.

Still counts for me.

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

That's all included inside the BD link and then the IMDB link is within that link.

Just thought it would be nice to have all the relevant info in one place and allow for user corrections/clarification.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Just thought it would be nice to have all the relevant info in one place and allow for user corrections/clarification.

If I did that I would have to change it to text instead of images or it's a blasted mess. It would look like the OOP BD thread then.

[jerclay]

The Bridge On The River Kwai UHD has elements of the original mono.

Originally released in mono, the films was re-released in 1991 on 70mm in 6 tracks stereo with added effects. For the first DVD release, Chace created a Dolby Digital 5.1 mix, combining elements from the original 1957 mix and the 1991 restoration. So DTS HD-MA 5.1, that is present on the UHD, contains elements of the original mono.

Not sure if that counts, but there you go.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by jerclay

The Bridge On The River Kwai UHD has elements of the original mono.

Originally released in mono, the films was re-released in 1991 on 70mm in 6 tracks stereo with added effects. For the first DVD release, Chace created a Dolby Digital 5.1 mix, combining elements from the original 1957 mix and the 1991 restoration. So DTS HD-MA 5.1, that is present on the UHD, contains elements of the original mono.

Not sure if that counts, but there you go.

I wonder how much of it is the original mix.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I wonder how much of it is the original mix.

Not a whole lot

[professorwho]

If we're counting 21st century films, then Bad Boys 1 and 2 have the original 5.1 mixes in lossless DTS-HD MA in addition to Atmos remixes, as does Zombieland.



But honestly, this list is more helpful for films produced before the turn of the millennium.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by jerclay

But it's a lossy one.

So? Thread title doesn't specify lossy or lossless. And as ET's 2.0 audio is DTS @ 448 kb/s then that's fine by me, considering that 20 years ago we had an entire 5.1 delivered at the same bitrate (or less!) in Dobly.

[Rooivalk]

The Bridge On The River Kwai is Cinemascope, so the original audio should be also in 4-Track Stereo?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So? Thread title doesn't specify lossy or lossless. And as ET's 2.0 audio is DTS @ 448 kb/s then that's fine by me, considering that 20 years ago we had an entire 5.1 delivered at the same bitrate (or less!) in Dobly.

Yes, but the AC-3 codec is much more efficient - think MPEG2 vs. AVC except for audio (DD+ even more so). There's a reason they use it for streaming and other formats.