JACK AND THE BEANSTALK 70th Anniversary Restoration!

[bright75]

Just supported this one. Can't wait as Africa Screams from Classic Flix is one of the crown jewels of my blu ray collection.

[All Darc]

Thank you for respond Mr Theakston :-)

I hope you don't mind if I extend it further a bit, but it still puzzles me, since a print 3th generation away from camera negative should give a qualit, in terms of sharpness and contrast, inferior to early eastmancolor print stock, plus the very complex technical aspects of Super Cinecolor sounds costy.

Was the color hues and saturation the only advantage of Super Cinecolor over early Eastmancolor print stocks?

The Royal Journey (1951), but only in 1952 Eastmancolor made advancements to be used in film industry, according Wikipedia :

Royal Journey - YouTube

We see the colors are weird, if this it's a transfer from a eastman color print. If it's a print we have the color loss (infidelit rendering) from the negative plus color loss from the print. I'm presuming Super Cinecolor tried to compensate the color "weirdness" of prior 1952 eastmancolor film negative stocks, to have some advantage, since Super Cinecolor was just a printing process and not a film shooting process.

Please correct me where I got wrong.
Sorry if I sound a bit anoying, I'm very curious about old film technics.

Originally Posted by Jack Theakston

Cost and quality control. By 1954, Kodak and Ansco had made considerable advancements in their print stocks, which is why Cinecolor abandoned the process and became an all-Ansco lab.

[Jlouisbarrett]

I feel like the color in that transfer of The Royal Journey looks great rather than ‘weird.’

[All Darc]

The red uniforms looks pinkish, and the blue sky looks quite cyan. It looks like a WWII color film like Kodachrome and Agfacolor. But the WWII color films was 16mm (Ithink) and was color reversal (camera developed as a direct positive).
So, while this early 1951 Eastmancolor here have the color render from negative to positive to alter the colors somehow (red to pinkish) the Kodachrome have such noticeable alteration in the original camera film.

There was some larger formats for still camera in WWII, but they also have somewhat limited saturation, despite nice details :

https://edition.cnn.com/style/articl...phy/index.html

Originally Posted by Jlouisbarrett

I feel like the color in that transfer of The Royal Journey looks great rather than ‘weird.’

[Jack Theakston]

The biggest issue with Eastman Color printing was the opticals. Kodak had not perfected duping stock yet. Various labs had various optical methods, including doing them as separations. You can read all about this in the SMPTE papers published by Kodak, which are all available online. It wasn't until Kodak introduced their second generation of Eastman Color stocks in 1953 that this was resolved.

SuperCinecolor simply applied Eastman color to what they knew and had ready to go since the 1930s. There was no aesthetically-based margin for decision-making, as was often the case in Hollywood. As is always the case, it was purely economical.

You are also taking far too many liberties with relying on the transfer of the video that you posted as an indication of anything. We have no idea what the state of the elements it was transferred from, nor the point of reference of the color grader. You are also overlooking that Eastman Color is a major trade name for a myriad of stocks—a sort of experiment in practice that was happening between 1948 and 1954. One stock is not the same as the next. One only has to look at the dye-transfer prints from that period, yielded from Eastman color negative, to have a good grasp of what the negative record could produce. What was acknowledged as weak reds was corrected in new stocks in 1953.

[Robert Furmanek]

Check out today's update for our third stretch goal: ABBOTT AND COSTELLO TRAILER RARITIES.

We need to sell 35 additional copies of the Blu-ray in order to reach this goal.

Please share the campaign!

[All Darc]

Thank Mr Theakston for the explanation. :-)

You are right, I tried to take too much information from just a transfer from a old print (Royal Journey), which probably had fadding or other issues.

I wish you and Mr Furmanek sucess in this project, and more future projects.

Originally Posted by Jack Theakston

The biggest issue with Eastman Color printing was the opticals. Kodak had not perfected duping stock yet. Various labs had various optical methods, including doing them as separations. You can read all about this in the SMPTE papers published by Kodak, which are all available online. It wasn't until Kodak introduced their second generation of Eastman Color stocks in 1953 that this was resolved.

SuperCinecolor simply applied Eastman color to what they knew and had ready to go since the 1930s. There was no aesthetically-based margin for decision-making, as was often the case in Hollywood. As is always the case, it was purely economical.

You are also taking far too many liberties with relying on the transfer of the video that you posted as an indication of anything. We have no idea what the state of the elements it was transferred from, nor the point of reference of the color grader. You are also overlooking that Eastman Color is a major trade name for a myriad of stocks—a sort of experiment in practice that was happening between 1948 and 1954. One stock is not the same as the next. One only has to look at the dye-transfer prints from that period, yielded from Eastman color negative, to have a good grasp of what the negative record could produce. What was acknowledged as weak reds was corrected in new stocks in 1953.

[Robert Furmanek]

October 30, 1940 - Eighty years ago!



If we can sell just three more Blu-ray's, the extremely rare original 1940 trailer for TROPICS - with the text overlays - will be included on the BEANSTALK disc!

[Jack Theakston]

Is this a Blu-Ray first, Bob? I’m pretty sure no studio has tackled recreating the original trailer in that way.

[broadwaybobl]

Just backed! VERY excited for this!!!

[Robert Furmanek]

Originally Posted by Jack Theakston

Is this a Blu-Ray first, Bob? I’m pretty sure no studio has tackled recreating the original trailer in that way.

Not to my knowledge. The original 35mm trailer elements were cut in 1950 for reissue. The original release trailer for TROPICS with the text overlays has not been seen in 80 years!

[Robert Furmanek]

Exciting news on the JACK AND THE BEANSTALK restoration: actor David Stollery will be sharing his memories of working with Bud and Lou! Check out today's update for more information: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects.../posts/3013808



There's less than two weeks to go on the campaign. If you want to be part of the project and see your name on-screen in the Restoration credits, please make a pledge now!

[Robert Furmanek]

Help us preserve and restore this priceless live TV footage of Bud and Lou. Please check out today's update on the campaign for more information!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects.../posts/3015872

[Starchild]

Originally Posted by Robert Furmanek

Help us preserve and restore this priceless live TV footage of Bud and Lou. Please check out today's update on the campaign for more information!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects.../posts/3015872

Very excited over this possible restoration! The Rubdown sketch on Africa Screams looked amazing, so I realize the quality you can produce.
Thanks Bob!

[Robert Furmanek]

JACK AND THE BEANSTALK was inspired by Lou's two year old daughter, Chris Costello. While reading the classic story to her, Lou felt the timeless tale would make a delightful vehicle for Abbott and Costello's many young fans.

Generations have now grown up enjoying this classic film and we are SO happy that you are helping us to restore and preserve it for future generations. Please continue to share the news about this campaign so that more people will have an opportunity to contribute and see their name on-screen in the Restoration credits.

Thank you!

[phobicsquirrel]

Any chance for a sneak peak of how this restoration will look?

[Thunderleg]

Looks like every stretch goal was reached. Great news.

[Robert Furmanek]

Originally Posted by phobicsquirrel

Any chance for a sneak peak of how this restoration will look?

Yes indeed, check out the campaign video at the top of the Kickstarter page.

[phobicsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Robert Furmanek

Yes indeed, check out the campaign video at the top of the Kickstarter page.

Thanks. That looks really good, much better than other versions.

[Robert Furmanek]

Thank you, we agree!

Please pledge to the campaign, every bit helps.