WB potentially phasing out physical media in 2022 ( Rumor )

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Batman90

Cause the people I know they all still buy DVD’s. I’ve asked them why and they all said pretty much the same thing. Why buy Blu-ray’s cause now there’s 4K and they know nothing about 4K and they said they don’t feel like having to replace all their current collection when everytime they turn around theres a new format every 2 or 3 years.

The profit margin on Blu-rays is only slightly higher than on DVDs so the studios don't really care what you buy. To the studios a DVD sale is just fine.

Let’s be honest dvd should have died out years ago. It’s no different when studios forced everyone to switch from VHS to dvd they eventually quit making VHS a few years after dvd was out.

It's completely different. By the early 2000s DVD was vastly outselling VHS and DVDs were cheaper to manufacture than VHS tapes. Neither of those things are true with Blu-ray.

[rikraq]

Originally Posted by Dr Lenera

I find it baffling the number of people who don't know that if they supposedly 'buy' a film on download they don't actually own it. And I find it even more baffling that, after I've told them this, they usually just shrug their shoulders and aren't bothered.

maybe they don't care if they own it? I have a lot of digital movies that I don't care to own the physical movie. For me, it's about convenience and space.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by Dr Lenera

I find it baffling the number of people who don't know that if they supposedly 'buy' a film on download they don't actually own it. And I find it even more baffling that, after I've told them this, they usually just shrug their shoulders and aren't bothered.

I seen on yahoo and other media sites that a Judge has allowed a law suit people have against Apple to trial that cause it says they don’t actually own the digital copy’s and that they don’t allow them to download their movies to their hard drives and other things. So hopefully the ones suing win and that will change it. I hate how places like Microsoft allows us to download our digital movies on our 360’s then didn’t allow it on Xbox one. But you can still download them on the 360. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...-federal-judge

[joonskeezle]

Originally Posted by Batman90

I seen on yahoo and other media sites that a Judge has allowed a law suit people have against Apple to trial that cause it says they don’t actually own the digital copy’s and that they don’t allow them to download their movies to their hard drives and other things. So hopefully the ones suing win and that will change it. I hate how places like Microsoft allows us to download our digital movies on our 360’s then didn’t allow it on Xbox one. But you can still download them on the 360. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...-federal-judge

Don't get your hopes up. Even if Apple loses the case, all that's going to change is their ToS.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Batman90

I seen on yahoo and other media sites that a Judge has allowed a law suit people have against Apple to trial that cause it says they don’t actually own the digital copy’s and that they don’t allow them to download their movies to their hard drives and other things. So hopefully the ones suing win and that will change it. I hate how places like Microsoft allows us to download our digital movies on our 360’s then didn’t allow it on Xbox one. But you can still download them on the 360. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...-federal-judge

At best it will just change the wording from "own" to "lease".

I agree with Apple's stance that no reasonable customer should expect any company to support their products forever.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

At best it will just change the wording from "own" to "lease".

I agree with Apple's stance that no reasonable customer should expect any company to support their products forever.

They should allow us to download our movies/tv shows to say our Apple TV’s or other devices that Apple works on. Yeah can download them on phones and computers but I don’t use my phone or computer to watch movies.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by edwoodjr

From Jerry Beck on the Cartoon Research Facebook page, in response to his comments going viral: "Wow – I blew up the internet..."

You got that right, Jerry-san. That's what happens when the truth is set free in a sea of lies.

Originally Posted by edwoodjr

"That’s all I know – that’s all I can say about this matter."

Sure, sure, sure.

Let me translate Jerry's words of comeuppance for those who are unable to ascertain the truth by reading between the lines.

First, guess who received a note of displeasure from his friends high up the food chain at WB?

Second, Beck doesn't retract his statements specific to classic animation, he simply states his role and that he doesn't know the future of WB physical media. Classic mis-direction straight from a WB film-noir.

Third, everyone knows how it's going to end at Warner Media, the actual date TBD, although it's looking as if it will happen sometime in late 2022/early 2023.

You can believe whatever you want, and likewise, post whatever you want regarding the future of physical media.

All I know is that for the last 4 for $44 sale, these same posters liking Jerry's 'retraction' were placing orders for titles as if they were last loaves of bread and gallons of milk on the shelf before the apocalypse was about to hit town.

[50strat54]

Originally Posted by Dr Lenera

I find it baffling the number of people who don't know that if they supposedly 'buy' a film on download they don't actually own it. And I find it even more baffling that, after I've told them this, they usually just shrug their shoulders and aren't bothered.

If apple, vudu or amazon decided to take any movies away that were purchased and it happened to a lot of people it would kill this revenue stream, people would stop buying and the implicit contract that you have access to these purchased films will be broken.

I'm sure there will be occasions where a film is removed or censored especially right now due to the WOKE movement but even this won't last forever. It will only be a here and there not a huge swath of movies

Also there was fear of losing movies if a provider went out of business. When Flixter and UV went down they gave everyone fair notice to move your movies to another provider. I had flixster move my films to Vudu.

I usually buy from Apple or Vudu and redeem all codes that I can at Movies Anywhere. None of these providers / hub are going anywhere.

Apple will be here for a loooong time
Vudu was owned by Walmart then sold to Universal
Movies Anywhere is owned by Disney
and I bought a few from Fandango Now for the Golden Globes deal and that is also owned by Universal

These are big solid companies. My digital movies are safe.

and there's still many films that have not come out on bluray, some never on DVD [except for the dreaded DVD-r] that I can get in HD on digital.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

If apple, vudu or amazon decided to take any movies away that were purchased and it happened to a lot of people it would kill this revenue stream, people would stop buying and the implicit contract that you have access to these purchased films will be broken.

I'm sure there will be occasions where a film is removed or censored especially right now due to the WOKE movement but even this won't last forever. It will only be a here and there not a huge swath of movies

Also there was fear of losing movies if a provider went out of business. When Flixter and UV went down they gave everyone fair notice to move your movies to another provider. I had flixster move my films to Vudu.

I usually buy from Apple or Vudu and redeem all codes that I can at Movies Anywhere. None of these providers / hub are going anywhere.

Apple will be here for a loooong time
Vudu was owned by Walmart then sold to Universal
Movies Anywhere is owned by Disney
and I bought a few from Fandango Now for the Golden Globes deal and that is also owned by Universal

These are big solid companies. My digital movies are safe.

and there's still many films that have not come out on bluray, some never on DVD [except for the dreaded DVD-r] that I can get in HD on digital.

Digital movies that have been purchased should t be altered. Just like all this digital service altered Batman vs Superman to the Snyder cut having the aspect ratio change from widescreen to 4:3. I didn’t ask or want my copy to be changed.

[Mantis128]

Originally Posted by Dr Lenera

I find it baffling the number of people who don't know that if they supposedly 'buy' a film on download they don't actually own it. And I find it even more baffling that, after I've told them this, they usually just shrug their shoulders and aren't bothered.

Usually until it effects them. Had a coworker who would have never even thought about that stuff until she lost her whole Google Play music collection through some mishap.

[scififan73]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

You got that right, Jerry-san. That's what happens when the truth is set free in a sea of lies.

Sure, sure, sure.

Let me translate Jerry's words of comeuppance for those who are unable to ascertain the truth by reading between the lines.

First, guess who received a note of displeasure from his friends high up the food chain at WB?

Second, Beck doesn't retract his statements specific to classic animation, he simply states his role and that he doesn't know the future of WB physical media. Classic mis-direction straight from a WB film-noir.

Third, everyone knows how it's going to end at Warner Media, the actual date TBD, although it's looking as if it will happen sometime in late 2022/early 2023.

You can believe whatever you want, and likewise, post whatever you want regarding the future of physical media.

All I know is that for the last 4 for $44 sale, these same posters liking Jerry's 'retraction' were placing orders for titles as if they were last loaves of bread and gallons of milk on the shelf before the apocalypse was about to hit town.

I agree, it does sound almost like Beck was snapped back in line on the leash of someone very high up. It's probably sage advice at this point to not wait too long for any classic releases from ANY studio that might interest you.
As i've said before, the one silver lining to this cloud is that once the physical release market for classic films collapses at least it will mean more money in our pockets.

[Professor Echo]

Originally Posted by scififan73

I agree, it does sound almost like Beck was snapped back in line on the leash of someone very high up. It's probably sage advice at this point to not wait too long for any classic releases from ANY studio that might interest you.

This.

I agree that the sky is falling stuff gets old, but to be fair, this particular instance did seem to have substance behind it considering the source. But no doubt Beck heard from the WB angels on high and then ran back cowering into his mouse hole. Of course, it was all OUR fault for not understanding that what he really meant to say was not what he said. Aren't we just so stupid?

Anyway, it's done, but I still believe the advice above from scififan and everyone else who recommends buying what you can now and not waiting is very sound. Even the boy who cried wolf wasn't always wrong.

[joonskeezle]

Originally Posted by Professor Echo

This.

Anyway, it's done, but I still believe the advice above from scififan and everyone else who recommends buying what you can now and not waiting is very sound. Even the boy who cried wolf wasn't always wrong.

This for sure. While physical media will survive for a while yet, print runs will get smaller, and more stuff will go OOP faster.

[Mister_Kidd]

It's funny that the two most prevalent types of posts on this forum are:

A) Physical media is dying
B) Announcements for NEW physical media releases

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Mister_Kidd

It's funny that the two most prevalent types of posts on this forum are:

A) Physical media is dying
B) Announcements for NEW physical media releases

Those are numbers 2 and 3. Number 1 is does this have a slipcover or come as a steelbook.

[joonskeezle]

Originally Posted by Mister_Kidd

It's funny that the two most prevalent types of posts on this forum are:

A) Physical media is dying
B) Announcements for NEW physical media releases

Not for nothing but they aren't mutually exclusive. If B weren't true, A would read "physical media is dead".

And I don't really think anyone can argue that the physical media market isn't smaller than it's been. Yes, lots of things are still being released, but more and more by smaller labels in limited runs, with less support by the major studios, and more stuff going to streaming services that abhor physical media.

So at worst the word "dying" is dramatic.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by joonskeezle

Not for nothing but they aren't mutually exclusive. If B weren't true, A would read "physical media is dead".

And I don't really think anyone can argue that the physical media market isn't smaller than it's been. Yes, lots of things are still being released, but more and more by smaller labels in limited runs, with less support by the major studios, and more stuff going to streaming services that abhor physical media.

So at worst the word "dying" is dramatic.

Physical media is dying in the same way that a healthy person in their 20s is dying: they will eventually be dead. Personally I think the word dying should only be used when someone or something is going to die soon. Since I believe that physical media will outlive us all the word dying isn't appropriate at all.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

You got that right, Jerry-san. That's what happens when the truth is set free in a sea of lies.

Sure, sure, sure.

Let me translate Jerry's words of comeuppance for those who are unable to ascertain the truth by reading between the lines.

First, guess who received a note of displeasure from his friends high up the food chain at WB?

Second, Beck doesn't retract his statements specific to classic animation, he simply states his role and that he doesn't know the future of WB physical media. Classic mis-direction straight from a WB film-noir.

Third, everyone knows how it's going to end at Warner Media, the actual date TBD, although it's looking as if it will happen sometime in late 2022/early 2023.

You can believe whatever you want, and likewise, post whatever you want regarding the future of physical media.

All I know is that for the last 4 for $44 sale, these same posters liking Jerry's 'retraction' were placing orders for titles as if they were last loaves of bread and gallons of milk on the shelf before the apocalypse was about to hit town.

Still spouting your crap I see.

Why would Warner enter a disc distribution deal with Universal (for up to 10 years) if they knew they were going to give up next year? Get a grip man.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

If apple, vudu or amazon decided to take any movies away that were purchased and it happened to a lot of people it would kill this revenue stream, people would stop buying and the implicit contract that you have access to these purchased films will be broken.

I'm sure there will be occasions where a film is removed or censored especially right now due to the WOKE movement but even this won't last forever. It will only be a here and there not a huge swath of movies

Also there was fear of losing movies if a provider went out of business. When Flixter and UV went down they gave everyone fair notice to move your movies to another provider. I had flixster move my films to Vudu.

I usually buy from Apple or Vudu and redeem all codes that I can at Movies Anywhere. None of these providers / hub are going anywhere.

Apple will be here for a loooong time
Vudu was owned by Walmart then sold to Universal
Movies Anywhere is owned by Disney
and I bought a few from Fandango Now for the Golden Globes deal and that is also owned by Universal

These are big solid companies. My digital movies are safe.

and there's still many films that have not come out on bluray, some never on DVD [except for the dreaded DVD-r] that I can get in HD on digital.

It doesn’t matter how long Apple or Amazon are here, if studios decide to pull their films from third party storefronts, it’s game over.

[joonskeezle]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Physical media is dying in the same way that a healthy person in their 20s is dying: they will eventually be dead. Personally I think the word dying should only be used when someone or something is going to die soon. Since I believe that physical media will outlive us all the word dying isn't appropriate at all.

That is a terrible analogy. If you're going to insist on comparing the life of physical media to a person, definitely don't say that physical media is in the early/prime years of its life. Because it is demonstrably not.

Physical media is more like a 50 year old who has lost several steps, maybe has a chronic injury, and is pretty out of shape.

Death isn't imminent, but that person is clearly closer to the end than the beginning.

That said, I wrote all that before I read your last sentence, which actually sounds a bit trolly and now I'm wondering if I've been had.