Batman & Robin is an amazing Demo film

[shane01]

Anyway Batman and Robin has some of the most quotable lines of bad dialogue.

“Uncle Alfred!”

“And you are…?”

“As I told lady Freeze when I pulled her plug…this is a one woman show!”

[matirocker]

I feel like people who bash on these films, they most likely haven't watched them in years. Someone mentioned the Bruce-Alfred scenes in Batman & Robin and YES! They are so good. When Alfred talks about never regretting working for heroes, and his only regret was not being out there with him. Such good scenes!

The rest of the movie is simply not to be taken seriously. It's a comedy, it doesn't take itself seriously. Yet people hate it because they were expecting a serious Batman movie instead of what it ended up being.

People don't hate the 66 Batman, because for some reason, people appreciate that it's a comedy. And the same goes for Batman & Robin.

It's one of those "so bad, its good" movies for me, with geniunely good moments in it. People who complain about Bane... The Dark Knight Rises didn't follow his comic book origins either, and he ended up being a pawn to another woman too, so ....? The B&R Bane at least looked closer to what he did in the comics and used Venom too!

This is not a jab at the Nolan and Burton movies. They are clearly superior and I love those too. But I feel the Schumacher movies hate has been blown out of proportion.

[Dark City Denizen]

Originally Posted by matirocker

I feel like people who bash on these films, they most likely haven't watched them in years. Someone mentioned the Bruce-Alfred scenes in Batman & Robin and YES! They are so good. When Alfred talks about never regretting working for heroes, and his only regret was not being out there with him. Such good scenes!

The rest of the movie is simply not to be taken seriously. It's a comedy, it doesn't take itself seriously. Yet people hate it because they were expecting a serious Batman movie instead of what it ended up being.

People don't hate the 66 Batman, because for some reason, people appreciate that it's a comedy. And the same goes for Batman & Robin.

It's one of those "so bad, its good" movies for me, with geniunely good moments in it. People who complain about Bane... The Dark Knight Rises didn't follow his comic book origins either, and he ended up being a pawn to another woman too, so ....? The B&R Bane at least looked closer to what he did in the comics and used Venom too!

This is not a jab at the Nolan and Burton movies. They are clearly superior and I love those too. But I feel the Schumacher movies hate has been blown out of proportion.

I’m not 100% on this so I will tread carefully, but I’m not sure you’re right about the intent of Schumacher to make it an outright goofball comedy. Do you have any sources? It’s obvious it wasn’t meant to be dark, but I thought he & Warner Bros wanted it taken more seriously than it was.

In a funny sort of way I agree with you regardless, though. Forever was a God awful movie the public turned into a huge hit, & it was definitely a step in the direction of what became the next film, so anyone who complained about the second one gets very little sympathy from me if they supported the first.

[Jay H.]

Originally Posted by matirocker

I feel like people who bash on these films, they most likely haven't watched them in years.

Actually, it's the opposite for me. I liked these movies when they were released in theaters, but when I bought the Blu-ray set a few years ago I was surprised at how...lame is the only word I can think of. Both movies have their merits (the performances of Val Kilmer and Uma Thurman, the undeniable beauty of Nicole Kidman), but the negatives far outweigh the positives. George Clooney has never been worse, Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones devour the scenery, "Gossip Gertie", shudder-inducing one-liners, etcetera.

And Chris O'Donnell. Oh wow, is he awful. Bad actor, no charisma - I'm glad he isn't a thing any more. He never should have been one.

[Dark City Denizen]

Originally Posted by Jay H.

Actually, it's the opposite for me. I liked these movies when they were released in theaters, but when I bought the Blu-ray set a few years ago I was surprised at how...lame is the only word I can think of. Both movies have their merits (the performances of Val Kilmer and Uma Thurman, the undeniable beauty of Nicole Kidman), but the negatives far outweigh the positives. George Clooney has never been worse, Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones devour the scenery, "Gossip Gertie", shudder-inducing one-liners, etcetera.

And Chris O'Donnell. Oh wow, is he awful. Bad actor, no charisma - I'm glad he isn't a thing any more. He never should have been one.

Carrey’s performance makes me want to slit my wrists.

[HenriDeadMort]

Originally Posted by Dark City Denizen

Carrey’s performance makes me want to slit my wrists.

Finally yes, someone gets it

[Dark City Denizen]

Originally Posted by HenriDeadMort

Finally yes, someone gets it

It’s a performance so vomitously awful, it actually mutated into something infectious. So desperate was Tommy Lee Jones for attention (as Carrey was the ‘it’ boy of the day), he resorted to acting like a chimp for the entire film.

[dallywhitty]

I've been working back-to-back 14-hour shifts so haven't had a chance to respond, but anybody who slanders the Burton/Schumacher Batflicks is a sexual predator. Sorry, that's the rule.

[Jay H.]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

...anybody who slanders the Burton/Schumacher Batflicks is a sexual predator. Sorry, that's the rule.

I wasn't aware Bryan Singer said negative things about those movies. Huh. I'll be darned.

[Mikezilla3k]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

I've been working back-to-back 14-hour shifts so haven't had a chance to respond, but anybody who slanders the Burton/Schumacher Batflicks is a sexual predator. Sorry, that's the rule.

What if I praise Returns and Forever but slander 89 and Robin?

[CreasyBear]

I wish more comic book films took the time to actually be live action comic books in the ways the Schumacher films did.

[JediJones77]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

I wish more comic book films took the time to actually be live action comic books in the ways the Schumacher films did.

Comic books haven't been that cheesy in 50 years. They kept getting more popular through the '90s because they kept getting more mature, and delivering serious adventure in the vein of Star Wars and Indiana Jones, back when Hollywood couldn't afford to do a lot of movies like that, and had few producers who had any clue how to do the kinds of fantasy stories Lucas, Spielberg, Marvel and DC were doing and why they appealed to young people.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by JediJones77

Comic books haven't been that cheesy in 50 years. They kept getting more popular through the '90s because they kept getting more mature, and delivering serious adventure in the vein of Star Wars and Indiana Jones, back when Hollywood couldn't afford to do a lot of movies like that, and had few producers who had any clue how to do the kinds of fantasy stories Lucas, Spielberg, Marvel and DC were doing and why they appealed to young people.

The 90's is like...the worst period for superhero comics. A lot of gimmicks and faux "edgy" bullshit. Comics and their movies can be a lot of different things and that's the beauty of the medium. To only want or expect one stylistic approach to such a vast medium is to wall yourself off from the colorful spectrum these characters offer.

[DR Herbert West]

My DVR sense is tingling.

[kylor]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

My DVR sense is tingling.

DVR would never defend Zack Snyder. Debunked.

[JediJones77]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

The 90's is like...the worst period for superhero comics. A lot of gimmicks and faux "edgy" bullshit. Comics and their movies can be a lot of different things and that's the beauty of the medium. To only want or expect one stylistic approach to such a vast medium is to wall yourself off from the colorful spectrum these characters offer.

I mean through about the mid-90s. The early 90s had a lot of fantastic stuff, but it really went bad around 1994, in every way imaginable, and at just about every company, for a lot of different reasons.

The childish, campy stuff was very much on the way out by the 70s and 80s. DC was lagging behind, but got there in a big way with DKR and Watchmen. And they fixed their cartoon problem by ditching Super Friends into the dumpster and starting the amazing BTAS and spin-offs, surpassing Marvel's cartoon efforts.

Of course there are non-superhero comics, but most of them go for much more mature and adult themes, like Sin City and 300. There was little market for campy or cheesy stories in comic books after the Adam West Batman series ended. Schumacher I think said openly he was taking inspiration from the Adam West series. There was nothing in modern comic books he could've used as inspiration. Nobody was doing stories like that then.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

The 90's is like...the worst period for superhero comics. A lot of gimmicks and faux "edgy" bullshit. Comics and their movies can be a lot of different things and that's the beauty of the medium. To only want or expect one stylistic approach to such a vast medium is to wall yourself off from the colorful spectrum these characters offer.

Snyder today, snyder tomorrow, snyder forever.

[Guy87]

I'm about halfway through Batman 66 at the moment and I have to admit there's a part of me looking forward to revisiting Batman & Robin to see the parallels.

[shane01]

When I was younger I tried to cling to moments of levity in Batman Forever and Batman & Robin because I believed being more serious was somehow better. But once I got on Schumacher’s wavelength it all clicked for me. He spoke openly about the campy tone he was after with his Batman movies. he called it “doing a comic book” which I’m sure aggravates the graphic novel crowd even more. Once you stop wanting a movie to be something else, you can appreciate it for what it is!

[JediJones77]

Schumacher had the same mindset of Richard Lester when he did Superman III, that is not knowing the difference between a comic book, a comic strip and a cartoon. They were looking at Superman and Batman, but in their minds they were thinking about Mr. Magoo, Dennis the Menace and Marmaduke.