Kaleidescape has more capacity and higher video bit rate when compared to 4K Blu-ray

[SmittysGelato]

I wonder if I could even use up all of the space. I only have 500 movies in my collection haha.

[HDTV1080P]

Glad to see solid state drive added. But I wish they would have done 10,000Mbps networking for $100 more instead of 2,500Mbps networking ethernet jack. Some people now have access to 10,000Mbps upload and download residential service which would allow 100GB movie download in 1 minute or less. Residential plans nationwide by some Internet providers are between 1Gbps to 10Gbps.

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“Hailed as the first dedicated movie servers to feature “lightning fast” 2.5 Gigabit Ethernet, the new Terra Prime servers are available with solid-state (SSD) or hard-drive (HDD) storage and feature a new board design said to deliver faster networking and processing power than the company’s current movie servers in addition to being able to “serve more Kaleidescape high-bitrate 4K movies concurrently to multiple screens.”

“Kaleidescape describes the Terra Prime SSD models as the quietest and fastest dedicated movie servers available with the ability to download a high-bitrate 4K movie in as little as 4 minutes and feed up to 25 simultaneous playback zones. Two models are offered: one with 31 terabytes (TB) of capacity for storing up to 500 high-bitrate 4K movies and one with 8 TB of capacity that holds around 125 movies. Respective pricing is $24,995 and $9,995.”

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-movie-servers

[HDTV1080P]

This Modulus Media Systems M2 DVR appears to be a competitor to Kaleidescape. They claim to offer a 88TB server for 4K Blu-ray images and the recording of all streaming providers like Netflix, etc. Hopefully a professional review on this new product might occur in the future. Also the M1 version is mentioned briefly on page 19 of the September/October Widescreen Review magazine.

https://modulusmediasystems.com/prod...42006076031141

https://www.widescreenreview.com/wsr....php?recid=272

[sapiendut]

You mean this DVR can record, say, a movie from Netflix in full resolution with DV and DA?

[Brahmzy]

Meh. I’ll take my all-flash HTPC.

[Anthony P]

unles I am missing something, I don't think that will last long.

[HDTV1080P]

While RVolution new 8K media player with Dolby Vision HDR and HDR10+ with a whole house NAS hard drive server appears to be a much better product then Kaleidescape, however buyers should be aware of the legality of the RVolution product since it mentions it can rip and make exact duplicates of 95% of all optical discs including 4K Blu-ray discs. However around 5% of the optical discs which are most likely the latest 4K Blu-ray releases the product website mentions for various reasons it is not able to rip those discs. This product does not use the authorized managed copy feature that studios and the BDA setup. But it appears to be making unauthorized copies by removing the encryption but is not able to copy 5% of the optical discs like some 4K Blu-ray discs because of strong encryption on the discs. I am surprised products like this exist, I have not seen a professional review of this product and I do not know anyone that has actually received and is using the product. So, until a professional review is done (which might never be done since the copies are not studio authorized), I would strongly suggest consumers not buy this product. Also, the 8K media player for each room upscales to 8K but there is no actual native 8K material. This would be an ideal product if it was officially supported by the movie studios using authorized managed copy feature to backup all optical media (Blu-ray 3D is supported also, along with all lossless audio formats and Dolby Vision HDR, and HDR10+).

https://www.rvolution.com/r-volution-playerone-8k

https://www.rvolution.com/r-volution-nas

[sapiendut]

Yup. It is definitely an illegal product. Any way to circumvent copy protection is considered illegal. That’s why these Chinese companies set up shop in France where they can claim that their products are legal (circumventing copy protection is not illegal in EU)

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Yup. It is definitely an illegal product. Any way to circumvent copy protection is considered illegal. That’s why these Chinese companies set up shop in France where they can claim that their products are legal (circumventing copy protection is not illegal in EU)

It does not say where this product is being made, but you claim it is being made in China. Breaking the encryption is illegal in many areas of the world (where as using studio authorized managed copying per the BDA specs is not). This RVolution product is being sold in Canada and the USA also, with a distributor located in Florida. Another issue is the company only accepts PAYPAL, where as most mainstream companies accept credit cards.

I believe Kaleidescape is the only authorized home hard drive server for movie downloads. The Kaleidescape system one can attach a USB BD-ROM drive and one can download a studio authorized 4K quality movie for a fee that is bit for bit the exact same picture and sound quality as the 4K Blu-ray version.

[sapiendut]

It’s not about where the product is being made but a matter where the company is located. The registered company of this product is in France where circumventing copy protection is allowed.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

It’s not about where the product is being made but a matter where the company is located. The registered company of this product is in France where circumventing copy protection is allowed.

The EU needs to change its law regarding copy protection. If its legal to live in certain countries and pirate movies or break other peoples copy protection then those are bad policies. And why is this product being sold in the USA without law enforcement doing anything about it?

[sapiendut]

If someone with enough clout report this to whomever deals with copyright, the sale of this product will be illegal.

As for being OK in EU, it is because the spirit of their law dictates that users are allowed to make a backup copy for themselves so the method to do so is legal. I think in the US is weirder. You are allowed to make a copy of what you have but it is illegal to circumvent the copy protection.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

If someone with enough clout report this to whomever deals with copyright, the sale of this product will be illegal.

As for being OK in EU, it is because the spirit of their law dictates that users are allowed to make a backup copy for themselves so the method to do so is legal. I think in the US is weirder. You are allowed to make a copy of what you have but it is illegal to circumvent the copy protection.

Yes you are correct the fair use law around the world makes it legal to make a personal backup of anything for private use only (no resale to anyone). However in the United States even though we have the fair use rules that allows one to backup any video, audio, videogame, or other media legally for personal use, it is against the law to break or remove the copy protection using software/hardware. So if one is not allowed to remove the copy protection one cannot make a backup copy of the movie or videogame.

I remember over two decades ago Best Buy use to sell a computer program in their retail stores that made backup copies of DVD discs including the removal of the weak CSS copy protection on store bought DVD discs. Best Buy over two decades ago was not aware of what they were selling, but that illegal software only remained on the store shelfs for around 3 weeks, and then Best Buy removed the product with the fancy retail box from their store shelfs. A similar thing happen to some standalone DVD players over two decades ago at Circuit City and other stores, there was a secret menu that allowed one to disable the CSS copy protection, and those DVD players were removed from stores because they are illegal. While its legal to own a DVD or Blu-ray player with a secret region free or region selectable feature, the BDA licensing agreement prevents Blu-ray player manufactories from offering that feature in their players. Over the years any DVD or Blu-ray player that had a secret region free menu received either a firmware update to remove that feature and/or the product was removed from store shelfs. It is legal for consumers to own a modified third-party region free player, but no manufactory is allowed to sell a region free Blu-ray player directly. That is why all third-party region free DVD and Blu-ray players being sold on Amazon, EBAY, and other places are third party modified players.

A so called friend I use to know around a decade ago passed away, but before they passed away one time I visited their house and they had several hundreds of pirated 480i DVD movie copies that they made for like 15 or 20 cents each buying those blank DVD spindles. Anyways I was trying to get them to upgrade to a Blu-ray player, and I was going to offer it to them as a gift the Blu-ray player that had built in streaming and Blu-ray, DVD, and audio CD playback. But they were not interested and one of the reasons was because Blu-ray players contain Cinavia copy protection and if the Blu-ray player detects a pirated unauthorized disc it will mute the audio and pop up a warning message. Yes I know Cinavia copy protection was defeated many years ago around 2014, and is a non-issue now, but for many years many consumers only purchased standalone DVD players and not standalone Blu-ray players, because the Blu-ray players were doing their job and preventing the playback of pirated unauthorized copies of DVD discs which was not a popular feature with people trying to make backup copies of optical discs.

The studios need to come up with a secure managed authorized 4K Blu-ray and 2K Blu-ray copy protection system that allows consumers to make studio authorized backup copies to a home hard drive server. The Kaleidescape system allows consumers to insert a disc in a USB BD-ROM drive and then the studio and Kaleidescape will authorize the movie to be downloaded for a fee. But in the ideal world other companies should be authorized by the studios for download and managed copy to a hard drive server. The more companies that offer home media hard drive servers that are authorized by the movie studios, the prices of the home media servers will fall in price because of competition.

[HDTV1080P]

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"Kaleidescape has announced its largest capacity server — the new Terra Prime 96 terabyte (TB) movie server. Kaleidescape’s Ultimate 4K System now includes two Terra Prime 96TB movie servers loaded with every 4K title available on the Kaleidescape movie store at the time of shipment."

"Kaleidescape also offers a Disc-to-Digital program to assist customers with transitioning their DVD and Blu-ray disc collections to digital on Kaleidescape. This provides an opportunity for disc collectors to enjoy the benefits of the Kaleidescape ecosystem without having to repurchase every movie at full price."

"The full-size Terra Prime HDD 96TB stores approximately 1600 Kaleidescape high-bitrate 4K movies, the 72TB stores roughly 1200 Kaleidescape-fidelity 4K movies, and the 48TB stores approximately 800 Kaleidescape-fidelity 4K movies."

https://www.twice.com/product/video/...e-movie-server

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The EU needs to change its law regarding copy protection. If its legal to live in certain countries and pirate movies or break other peoples copy protection then those are bad policies.

it is not just some places in the EU. It is a complicated matter. if Joe buys a copy of the film, puts it on a server because he does not feel like walking to where the original copy is situated all he is doing is adding a bit of convenience and there is no harm to the copyright owner. If Bob buys a copy of the film, puts it on a server and then passes the original to tom, that does the same and then passes it to.... then there is financial harm to the copyright owner.

The idea of fair use in some way exists pretty much everywhere even in the US. The US decided to add an additional law to stop braking encryption because it has a huge movie industry. In some other countries where the movie industry is not as big more laws to protect copyright owners over consumers were not enacted.

And why is this product being sold in the USA without law enforcement doing anything about it?

because it is not up to law enforcement. It is not criminal law but civil law that it would brake. So it would be up to copyright owners to bring it before court and prove that it brakes the rules. If a judge agrees and there is no legal use for it then it can be banned and then law enforcement can lean on companies that sell it.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Yes you are correct the fair use law around the world makes it legal to make a personal backup of anything for private use only (no resale to anyone). However in the United States even though we have the fair use rules that allows one to backup any video, audio, videogame, or other media legally for personal use, it is against the law to break or remove the copy protection using software/hardware. So if one is not allowed to remove the copy protection one cannot make a backup copy of the movie or videogame.

I remember over two decades ago Best Buy use to sell a computer program in their retail stores that made backup copies of DVD discs including the removal of the weak CSS copy protection on store bought DVD discs. Best Buy over two decades ago was not aware of what they were selling, but that illegal software only remained on the store shelfs for around 3 weeks, and then Best Buy removed the product with the fancy retail box from their store shelfs. A similar thing happen to some standalone DVD players over two decades ago at Circuit City and other stores, there was a secret menu that allowed one to disable the CSS copy protection, and those DVD players were removed from stores because they are illegal. While its legal to own a DVD or Blu-ray player with a secret region free or region selectable feature, the BDA licensing agreement prevents Blu-ray player manufactories from offering that feature in their players. Over the years any DVD or Blu-ray player that had a secret region free menu received either a firmware update to remove that feature and/or the product was removed from store shelfs. It is legal for consumers to own a modified third-party region free player, but no manufactory is allowed to sell a region free Blu-ray player directly. That is why all third-party region free DVD and Blu-ray players being sold on Amazon, EBAY, and other places are third party modified players.

A so called friend I use to know around a decade ago passed away, but before they passed away one time I visited their house and they had several hundreds of pirated 480i DVD movie copies that they made for like 15 or 20 cents each buying those blank DVD spindles. Anyways I was trying to get them to upgrade to a Blu-ray player, and I was going to offer it to them as a gift the Blu-ray player that had built in streaming and Blu-ray, DVD, and audio CD playback. But they were not interested and one of the reasons was because Blu-ray players contain Cinavia copy protection and if the Blu-ray player detects a pirated unauthorized disc it will mute the audio and pop up a warning message. Yes I know Cinavia copy protection was defeated many years ago around 2014, and is a non-issue now, but for many years many consumers only purchased standalone DVD players and not standalone Blu-ray players, because the Blu-ray players were doing their job and preventing the playback of pirated unauthorized copies of DVD discs which was not a popular feature with people trying to make backup copies of optical discs.

The studios need to come up with a secure managed authorized 4K Blu-ray and 2K Blu-ray copy protection system that allows consumers to make studio authorized backup copies to a home hard drive server. The Kaleidescape system allows consumers to insert a disc in a USB BD-ROM drive and then the studio and Kaleidescape will authorize the movie to be downloaded for a fee. But in the ideal world other companies should be authorized by the studios for download and managed copy to a hard drive server. The more companies that offer home media hard drive servers that are authorized by the movie studios, the prices of the home media servers will fall in price because of competition.

actually the DMCA has

(1) Nothing in this section
shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright
infringement, including fair use, under this title

.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/105th-...bill/2281/text

[HDTV1080P]

Good to hear Dolby Vision HDR is supported, however HDR10+ also should in the future be added in a firmware update. Also, some consumers are subscribing to 10,000Mbps Internet and a 10Gbps ethernet jack would be ideal. Should be able to get the download of a 100GB movie down to 1 minute instead of 10 minutes if ones Internet speed is fast enough.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...lossless-audio

[sapiendut]

Here it is the new Kscape Strato V explained in 90 seconds.

Kaleidescape Strato V : with Dolby Vision , DTSX , and Budget Pricing
https://www.youtube.com/supported_br...tube.com/watch

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Here it is the new Kscape Strato V explained in 90 seconds.

Kaleidescape Strato V : with Dolby Vision , DTSX , and Budget Pricing
https://www.youtube.com/supported_br...tube.com/watch

This is the second time that your youtube links just take me to a youtube page that tells me that my "browser is up to date."

[sapiendut]

Weird. I was only copy and pasting the url. Perhaps @robertzohn can help