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Old 07-07-2022, 02:41 AM   #61
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BM won't miss your business, trust me. Go back to your anointed Amazon 'king' and pay them a yearly fee to do so. And you really think Amazon really cares about their workers' health - bwahahaha! Delusional.
Was I rude to you anywhere? I was very polite. And I don’t think Amazon is king. I pay them a monthly fee and haven’t had any issues, yet, except maybe 1-2 blu-ray fails that they took care of.
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Was I rude to you anywhere? I was very polite. And I don’t think Amazon is king. I pay them a monthly fee and haven’t had any issues, yet, except maybe 1-2 blu-ray fails that they took care of.
No you weren't rude, you are not at fault, but I have my own opinions, and I feel Amazon sucks and is well-known as being a very worker-unfriendly working environment, and I feel your opinion on BM is also way over-the-top. You seem to think differently? OK, that's cool, you do you. Keep paying Amazon a yearly or monthly fee just for the 'privilege' of buying from them. Hilarious. Just agree to disagree, then. You're all good.
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No you weren't rude, you are not at fault, but I have my own opinions, and I feel Amazon sucks and is well-known as being a very worker-unfriendly working environment, and I feel your opinion on BM is also way over-the-top. You seem to think differently? OK, that's cool, you do you. Keep paying Amazon a yearly or monthly fee just for the 'privilege' of buying from them. Hilarious. Just agree to disagree, then. You're all good.
I was only going by an article I read on BM that is now outdated so I no longer have an issue with them.
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I was only going by an article I read on BM that is now outdated so I no longer have an issue with them.
You are actually cool. I can really be the b#stard sometimes, and I know it. So no stress or hard feelings. You are good. Enjoy collecting!
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So! Ants!
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Careful guys, I got banned for a few days from this kind of talk. Not even sure which post nor what I commented to get the ban. But it happened.
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I received my three 70's made-for-tv bug horror movies on release day. Ants! was the star for me. I'd say Kino agrees, it was the only title with a reversible cover insert (love it) and a sensor tag. I've since watched Ants!, the audio is a bit flat, with a background sizzle or hiss sound frequently. But looks incredible. Far beyond anything anyone's ever seen on this title. I hadn't read details, so was surprised by the choice of full frame or widescreen ratios. Now if Kino would just release Don't Go to Sleep!!




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I get itchy all over seeing that cover.
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Switched my order over to Kino directly this morning, and added a few While Supplies Last titles to meet the free shipping threshold.
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Ants review up at Beaver: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film6/dvd_r...7/ants_dvd.htm

Kino really screwed this up, with including the 1.85 aspect ratio! No need, and so we get totally castrated bitrates: 16 mbps for the film, and a picture which looks pretty awful, smeary, video-like and lacking grain because of the needlessly marginalized low bitrate encodes. The OAR is 1.33:1, and that's the ratio which should have been used, with an average bitrate in the upper 20s to low 30s at the minimum. Just like Kino's done on their recent TVM releases. Who the hell did they outsource this mess of an encode to?

They even throw away an extra unused 10 Gig on the BD-50, so this is really a lazy cashgrab on their part. Very disappointing, as their recent TVM releases have been mostly exceptional, and very appreciated.

Are there any reports on TARANTULAS or TERROR OUT OF THE SKY? These are great, hokey films, and I hope they, also haven't been given poor encodes with bitrates barely above their DVD counteraparts, with throwaway, useless 1.85:1 transfers taking away valuable disk space and compromising the 1.33:1 presentations. Anyone received these and care to give BD-INFOs on your discs? It's be appreciated.
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Old 07-08-2022, 06:35 AM   #72
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Ants review up at Beaver: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film6/dvd_r...7/ants_dvd.htm

Kino really screwed this up, with including the 1.85 aspect ratio! No need, and so we get totally castrated bitrates: 16 mbps for the film, and a picture which looks pretty awful, smeary, video-like and lacking grain because of the needlessly marginalized low bitrate encodes. The OAR is 1.33:1, and that's the ratio which should have been used, with an average bitrate in the upper 20s to low 30s at the minimum. Just like Kino's done on their recent TVM releases. Who the hell did they outsource this mess of an encode to?

They even throw away an extra unused 10 Gig on the BD-50, so this is really a lazy cashgrab on their part. Very disappointing, as their recent TVM releases have been mostly exceptional, and very appreciated.

Are there any reports on TARANTULAS or TERROR OUT OF THE SKY? These are great, hokey films, and I hope they, also haven't been given poor encodes with bitrates barely above their DVD counteraparts, with throwaway, useless 1.85:1 transfers taking away valuable disk space and compromising the 1.33:1 presentations. Anyone received these and care to give BD-INFOs on your discs? It's be appreciated.
I watched it yesterday, along with Tarantulas and Terror Out of the Sky. I'm not sure why they added the separate Widescreen aspect choice for Ants alone in the first place. The other two apparently also received limited Theatrical releases overseas. The compression/artifacting isn't terrible, but it obviously isn't ideal.

Both Tarantulas and Terror Out of the Sky have noticeably higher bit-rates even on BD-25 discs, but they have their own share of encode issues. The Gamma/Black Crush is really botched in many of the darker scenes for some reason... which didn't seem to affect the Ants encode.

Here is a BDInfo scan for Tarantulas: The Deadly Cargo:

Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00000.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:35:16 19,876,706,304  20,460,599,166  27.82   24.45   DTS-HD Master 2.0 1631Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Trantulas: The Deadly Cargo
Disc Label:     TARANTULAS THE DEADLY CARGO
Disc Size:      20,460,599,166 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BDInfo:         0.7.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 1:35:16.291 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   19,876,706,304 bytes
Total Bitrate:          27.82 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        24447 kbps          1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1631 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz /  1631 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz /   192 kbps / DN -31dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         35.463 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00011.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:00:11.000     749,568         545             
00004.M2TS      0:00:11.000     1:35:04.291     19,875,932,160  27,875          
00012.M2TS      1:35:15.291     0:00:01.000     24,576          197             

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:08:02.208     25,538 kbps     34,434 kbps     00:05:19.958    31,647 kbps     00:01:07.125    31,359 kbps     00:01:04.166    769,657,372 bytes384,807 bytes   00:00:50.291    
2               0:08:02.208     0:07:53.833     22,358 kbps     33,979 kbps     00:14:24.041    32,380 kbps     00:14:21.166    29,724 kbps     00:14:16.750    0 bytes         347,136 bytes   00:13:17.750    
3               0:15:56.041     0:08:58.749     25,180 kbps     39,500 kbps     00:20:22.208    34,678 kbps     00:17:07.166    31,891 kbps     00:21:02.166    0 bytes         333,392 bytes   00:21:42.875    
4               0:24:54.791     0:15:31.166     26,261 kbps     36,592 kbps     00:32:56.458    34,393 kbps     00:32:54.000    31,227 kbps     00:32:48.958    0 bytes         336,170 bytes   00:31:47.291    
5               0:40:25.958     0:13:16.791     25,183 kbps     35,450 kbps     00:43:03.750    32,555 kbps     00:51:28.125    29,353 kbps     00:51:23.125    0 bytes         327,074 bytes   00:43:06.791    
6               0:53:42.750     0:16:06.250     24,676 kbps     36,736 kbps     01:01:50.875    34,159 kbps     01:01:48.041    31,778 kbps     01:01:47.791    0 bytes         362,236 bytes   00:56:06.791    
7               1:09:49.000     0:14:29.416     21,834 kbps     28,669 kbps     01:20:59.750    27,139 kbps     01:20:59.791    26,015 kbps     01:20:56.375    0 bytes         286,181 bytes   01:09:54.875    
8               1:24:18.416     0:10:57.875     24,212 kbps     40,639 kbps     01:33:49.625    39,050 kbps     01:33:34.833    38,273 kbps     01:33:34.833    1,991,042,210 bytes295,277 bytes   01:33:36.041    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00011.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     10.875                  467                     634,315         3,534           
00004.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     5704.125                24,498                  17,467,725,596  95,013,147      
00004.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           5704.125                1,634                   1,165,057,552   7,279,376       
00004.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           5704.125                192                     136,902,912     891,295         
00004.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           5704.125                36                      25,339,585      145,524         
00012.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     0.875                   108                     11,780          72
QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: Trantulas: The Deadly Cargo
Disc Label: TARANTULAS THE DEADLY CARGO
Disc Size: 20,460,599,166 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00000.MPLS
Size: 19,876,706,304 bytes
Length: 1:35:16.291
Total Bitrate: 27.82 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 24447 kbps / 1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1631 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -31dB
Subtitle: English / 35.463 kbps



...and a BDInfo scan for Terror Out of the Sky:

Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00000.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:34:12 19,654,041,600  20,822,449,021  27.82   24.45   DTS-HD Master 2.0 1629Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Terror Out of the Sky
Disc Label:     TERROR OUT OF THE SKY
Disc Size:      20,822,449,021 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BDInfo:         0.7.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 1:34:12.666 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   19,654,041,600 bytes
Total Bitrate:          27.82 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        24452 kbps          1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1629 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz /  1629 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz /   192 kbps / DN -31dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         33.215 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00011.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:00:11.000     749,568         545             
00004.M2TS      0:00:11.000     1:34:00.666     19,653,267,456  27,874          
00012.M2TS      1:34:11.666     0:00:01.000     24,576          197             

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:08:45.416     23,763 kbps     34,949 kbps     00:05:41.458    34,049 kbps     00:05:40.250    31,270 kbps     00:05:36.375    780,345,758 bytes297,320 bytes   00:01:23.500    
2               0:08:45.416     0:13:15.041     24,269 kbps     35,307 kbps     00:14:10.083    32,021 kbps     00:14:25.458    31,599 kbps     00:14:20.416    0 bytes         326,380 bytes   00:12:27.875    
3               0:22:00.458     0:09:28.833     24,731 kbps     33,328 kbps     00:26:51.375    31,284 kbps     00:26:47.750    30,811 kbps     00:26:47.208    0 bytes         280,476 bytes   00:26:41.625    
4               0:31:29.291     0:10:46.416     24,394 kbps     31,384 kbps     00:33:45.708    30,556 kbps     00:33:42.750    29,504 kbps     00:33:42.750    0 bytes         308,061 bytes   00:38:23.500    
5               0:42:15.708     0:10:44.416     24,112 kbps     37,116 kbps     00:46:09.583    29,793 kbps     00:46:52.583    28,802 kbps     00:46:49.166    0 bytes         313,810 bytes   00:52:46.625    
6               0:53:00.125     0:12:56.291     26,604 kbps     40,493 kbps     00:55:46.250    39,480 kbps     00:55:44.125    36,982 kbps     00:55:42.833    0 bytes         343,831 bytes   00:55:50.416    
7               1:05:56.416     0:14:02.208     25,205 kbps     37,013 kbps     01:16:41.833    35,723 kbps     01:16:40.125    32,439 kbps     01:16:35.916    0 bytes         387,990 bytes   01:09:53.500    
8               1:19:58.625     0:14:14.041     22,459 kbps     36,112 kbps     01:20:06.583    34,008 kbps     01:20:03.416    27,906 kbps     01:19:58.624    2,397,616,775 bytes296,722 bytes   01:21:28.958    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00011.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     10.875                  467                     634,315         3,534           
00004.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     5640.500                24,503                  17,276,376,708  93,972,519      
00004.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           5640.500                1,633                   1,151,228,264   7,182,989       
00004.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           5640.500                192                     135,376,896     881,360         
00004.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           5640.500                33                      23,468,908      134,910         
00012.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     0.875                   108                     11,780          72
QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: Terror Out of the Sky
Disc Label: TERROR OUT OF THE SKY
Disc Size: 20,822,449,021 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00000.MPLS
Size: 19,654,041,600 bytes
Length: 1:34:12.666
Total Bitrate: 27.82 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 24452 kbps / 1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1629 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -31dB
Subtitle: English / 33.215 kbps



It is rather odd that both are mastered at 24 fps vs. the more common 23.976 fps.

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Just got an update from Amazon...my copy is scheduled for Tuesday 7/12. My first instinct was to cancel and go with another retailer but I'm gad I decided to stick with Amazon. Just a temp delay - no big deal.
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What? Ants! looked beautiful to me. Based upon my experience with previous Ants! releases. I noticed much improved depth, detail and color. Very thankful this blu release happened at all. Surreal. And from what I saw, I even like Ants! in 1.85:1

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Is that Linda day George or Suzanne Somers on the cover?
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Is that Linda day George or Suzanne Somers on the cover?
Suzanne has the ants on her bosom and Linda is on the slipcase.
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Katatonia. thanks very much for posting those BD-Info scans. Although higher bitrate, something's very screwed up on both TARANTULAS and TERROR OUT OF SKY. Notice the bitrate graphs *never* dip below 20 mbps; the encodes aren't optimized -- there are no peaks and valleys, as is the norm on other reputable companies with great encodists / encoding software like Vinegar Syndrome. There's obviously a LOT of wasted bits there, as even simple scenes / all black fades are being encoded at 20 mbps. Someone totally screwed these up; I suspect a dial was simply put on autopilot / lazy-ass settings, and the lazy bastards who "encoded" these called it a day -- and an easy cashgrab.

Judging by what you reported about crushed black, they probably screwed up the color-space, gamma, or both. The 24-fps scan also doesn't bode well; could have been a slowed-down PAL video master or worse. Absurd!

Kino should fire these lazybones numbskull idiot encodists who did these three discs. If this is a harbinger of things to come from Kino, I'm totally, completely done with the company, and they can go screw themselves.

Very disappointed. This is 2022, not 2005. Blu-ray encoding's better now. The bar is higher, but you sure as hell wouldn't know it from these hatchet jobs.
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What? Ants! looked beautiful to me. Based upon my experience with previous Ants! releases. I noticed much improved depth, detail and color. Very thankful this blu release happened at all. Surreal. And from what I saw, I even like Ants! in 1.85:1
But, there was so much more potential, which was carelessly thrown away in a slipshod awful encode of a poor transfer. If they had just done ANTS properly, it would have looked exceptional and blown the awful DVD out of orbit. (see the Beaver review, where he states that DVD was probaby the *worst* DVD he had every reviewed in his 10,000 DVDs!).
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Old 07-09-2022, 06:01 AM   #79
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Katatonia. thanks very much for posting those BD-Info scans. Although higher bitrate, something's very screwed up on both TARANTULAS and TERROR OUT OF SKY. Notice the bitrate graphs *never* dip below 20 mbps; the encodes aren't optimized -- there are no peaks and valleys, as is the norm on other reputable companies with great encodists / encoding software like Vinegar Syndrome. There's obviously a LOT of wasted bits there, as even simple scenes / all black fades are being encoded at 20 mbps. Someone totally screwed these up; I suspect a dial was simply put on autopilot / lazy-ass settings, and the lazy bastards who "encoded" these called it a day -- and an easy cashgrab.

Judging by what you reported about crushed black, they probably screwed up the color-space, gamma, or both. The 24-fps scan also doesn't bode well; could have been a slowed-down PAL video master or worse. Absurd!

Kino should fire these lazybones numbskull idiot encodists who did these three discs. If this is a harbinger of things to come from Kino, I'm totally, completely done with the company, and they can go screw themselves.

Very disappointed. This is 2022, not 2005. Blu-ray encoding's better now. The bar is higher, but you sure as hell wouldn't know it from these hatchet jobs.
Yeah, I think it's definitely the wrong Gamma space used. Thankfully it's only noticeable in the very dark scenes, which there aren't too many of... but much of the screen just looks "bright grey" in those with no definition or details. They look similar to Severin's House on the Edge of the Park, before they issued the corrected discs.

I'm not sure what happened, but they definitely aren't quite up to the usual Kino encode standards. I can't recall ever seeing 24 fps used on Kino releases previously, they always just use the correct 23.976 fps.

I'm still glad they were released, and they definitely are an improvement over the old DVD's... I just wish a little more care would have gone into the encodes.
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:39 AM   #80
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Well, even if it’s not great, it’s better than what I had for these films, which is nothing.

I had ordered all three on sale from Barnes and Noble, but then out of the blue got an order cancelled notice. Something about not being able to process my payment through PayPal, which has happened to me a few times lately. Then I got a shipping notice for only Ants even though I haven’t been charged for anything.

I believe it was shipped 9 days ago with UPS mail innovations, which is never good. It was sent to Brooklyn, where I live, then to NJ, then back to Brooklyn, then out of state again. Last I checked it was back in Brooklyn but not scheduled for delivery until the 15th. Primo efficiency. Can’t wait to see what this poor copy is going to look like after 2+ weeks on UPS trucks. But since they didn’t charge me, I’m not concerned about it.
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