Das Cabinet Des Dr. Caligari 4K UHD (Masters Of Cinema)

[Mr. Thomsen]

If one can read German, I can really recommend getting the book Das Caligari Complex by Olaf Brill. It is perhaps the best book published on Caligari since the surviving (but incomplete) script was published back in the 1990s.

Olaf Brill takes a look upon everything that has been written about the film, from contemporary sources to later interviews with key players, and he weighs in on many of the myths surrounding Caligari, disproving several.

It is not hard to read. I haven't read German in 30 years or so, and I still managed to understand it just fine.

[Killer Meteor]

I also reccomend this - https://shop.bfi.org.uk/das-cabinet-...-classics.html

[dallywhitty]

The doctor is in.

[minister_x]

Originally Posted by minister_x

[Show spoiler]Partial BDInfo - will update when the disc can be decrypted (and if I remember ). Fascinating to see the angle stuff... I'm guessing one of the music tracks or commentaries runs a little longer than the others or something.

                                                                  Total     Video                                               
Title         Codec     Length    Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate   Bitrate   Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----         ------    -------   --------------  --------------  -------   -------   ------------------                        ---------------------
00000.MPLS    HEVC      1:17:12   39,344,183,232  64,957,913,686  67.94     84.89     LPCM 2.0 2304Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)          DTS-HD Master 5.1 3709Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

DISC INFO:

Disc Label:     DAS CABINET DES DR CALIGARI 4K
Disc Size:      64,957,913,686 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD
BDInfo:         0.7.5.8-X

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 1:17:12.503 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   39,344,183,232 bytes
Total Bitrate:          67.94 Mbps

Angle 1 Length:         1:17:44.827 (h:m:s.ms) / 1:17:12.503 (h:m:s.ms)
Angle 1 Size:           36635136 bytes / 39339747456 bytes
Angle 1 Total Bitrate:  9.070000 Mbps / 67.940000 Mbps

All Angles Length:      1:17:44 (h:m:s.ms)
All Angles Size:        [incorrectly printed; deleted] bytes
All Angles Bitrate:     [incorrectly printed; deleted] Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-H HEVC Video       84887 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / BT.709
MPEG-H HEVC Video (1)   11 (1127) kbps      2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / BT.709

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
LPCM Audio                      Undetermined    2304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit
DTS-HD Master Audio             Undetermined    3709 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3709 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
LPCM Audio                      Undetermined    2304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -30dB
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -31dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         4.693 kbps

Updated with actual BDInfo run. Please ignore the "[incorrectly printed; deleted]" bits - there was a bug in my code that made it re-print another variable's information, so I don't have the correct figures!

[Dailyan]

Caps-a-Holic

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

The doctor is in.

Dude, do you have a glass of wine with every movie you watch? We'll have to change your name to alkywhitty

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

Caps-a-Holic

Huh. I'm struggling to tell the UHD apart from the Blu on any meaningful level. Which is why I aksed if there was anything in the source to justify the 4K release on the basis of resolution alone, I'm not usually one to argue with David but: nah. Finer grain, sure, but finer detail?

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dude, do you have a glass of wine with every movie you watch? We'll have to change your name to alkywhitty

It keeps me going.

[kmhofmann]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Huh. I'm struggling to tell the UHD apart from the Blu on any meaningful level. Which is why I aksed if there was anything in the source to justify the 4K release on the basis of resolution alone, I'm not usually one to argue with David but: nah. Finer grain, sure, but finer detail?

I find the difference quite clear to see - the old Blu-ray looks quite obviously low-pass filtered in comparison (well, that's because it was, due to its limited resolution).

Finer grain reproduction is precisely the point here. There is also a smidgen more detail in some shots, e.g., here or here.

I'm sure you could very easily identify the UHD in a blind test.

[Geoff D]

Sure, but it's a bit like NOTLD: 4K is squeezing out every last morsel the source can offer, and it can't offer much more over and above 2K. Minute refinements, ones that a first time purchaser should not hesitate to buy but for serial upgraders there may be more pressing concerns elsewhere.

[Filmmaker]

I dunno. I’m a mere beer-swigging member of the proletariat, but it was asked if the “spatial resolution” of the 4K would be visibly superior to the 1080p and, to my eyes, it is. I see nothing disingenuous or hyperbolic in David M’s response. Are some improvements from 1080p to 4K nuanced and minor, like this and the aforementioned NotLD? Sure. But improved is improved and I’m delighted Eureka! went all the way down the length of the field for this historic release.

[TheShape31]

Caps:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c_list.php?c=6573

Fine detail comparison (Eureka UHD vs Blu-ray):
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...9&l=1&i=4&go=1
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...8&l=1&i=0&go=1
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...&l=1&i=13&go=1
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...7&l=1&i=7&go=1

[oddbox83]

I thought it looked striking when I saw Beaver's caps and decided to pick it up. Now I see the Caps-a-holic ones and can't see much in it beyond fine grain refinement.

I'm confused now and don't know what to do! Maybe the extra goodness is in those 2-bits we can't see in caps?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

I thought it looked striking when I saw Beaver's caps and decided to pick it up. Now I see the Caps-a-holic ones and can't see much in it beyond fine grain refinement.

I'm confused now and don't know what to do! Maybe the extra goodness is in those 2-bits we can't see in caps?

Are the UHD caps downconverted to 8-bit then? Why would they do that? There's no SDR conversion needed. Though when you've got that grain it's its own ditherer anyway so the difference between 8 and 10 here is minuscule. (David's point re: the bit depth relates more to putting a 10-bit HDR grade on it vs SDR 10-bit, as there's so little here for HDR to exploit you'd be squeezing most of the image into a truncated bit depth vs the code values of 10-bit SDR.)

[andreasy969]

Never seen this and don't intend to buy it (only to support the format), but I wouldn't buy the German one:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=17878&d2=17879&c=6573

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Are the UHD caps downconverted to 8-bit then? Why would they do that? There's no SDR conversion needed. Though when you've got that grain it's its own ditherer anyway so the difference between 8 and 10 here is minuscule. (David's point re: the bit depth relates more to putting a 10-bit HDR grade on it vs SDR 10-bit, as there's so little here for HDR to exploit you'd be squeezing most of the image into a truncated bit depth vs the code values of 10-bit SDR.)

Honestly, no idea. I just assume a 10-bit SDR disc is gonna have some sort of conversion to 8-bits caps. The Beaver caps looked better to me but it’s a different form of comparison and we all know Beaver caps can skew things.

[Sleazeaddict]

Originally Posted by TheShape31

Caps:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c_list.php?c=6573

Fine detail comparison (Eureka UHD vs Blu-ray):
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...9&l=1&i=4&go=1
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...8&l=1&i=0&go=1
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...&l=1&i=13&go=1
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...7&l=1&i=7&go=1

Wow, beautiful upgrade, time to order this bad boy, don't want to miss the LE

[Talal86]

Is a standard edition expected when the Limited runs out?

[MifuneFan]

Standard Edition has been announced for November 13th

https://eurekavideo.co.uk/movie/das-...i-4k-ultra-hd/

SPECIAL FEATURES

• 4K (2160p) UHD Blu-ray presentation from the extensive restoration completed by FWMS in 2014
• Score by Cornelius Schwer (2014) – LPCM stereo and 5.1 surround options
• Score by Uwe Dierksen & Hermann Kretzschmar (2019) – LPCM stereo
• Original German intertitles with optional English subtitles
• Audio commentary by Kevin Lyons and Jonathan Rigby
• Audio commentary by film historian David Kalat
• The Asylum in Film – interview with author / critic Kim Newman
• You Must Become Caligari – video essay by film critic David Cairns
• Caligari: The Birth of Horror in the First World War – 52 minute documentary on the cultural and historical impact of the film
• On The Restoration – three short video pieces on the film's restoration
• Trailer
• A collector’s booklet featuring vintage writing on the film by Lotte H. Eisner; an original Variety review of the film; and rare imagery

[TheOneWithThePrize]

I'm still waiting on the final copy that Laserdisken had of the LE to arrive. They've been slower than molasses in regards to shipping lately so either they're attempting a new personal record or it is lost.