Four Flies on Grey Velvet (1971) 4K UHD - Page 4 - Blu-ray Forum

FantasticMrFox · 05-31-2023, 06:30 AM

German release is pushed back one week to June 7.

Preview for the packaging and tat (Hardcover Box with Digipack, Booklet, four Artcards, three A3 Poster, CD Morricone Score):

NeilZ · 05-31-2023, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by andreasy969

I don't even see markedly yellow on the Carlotta screen shots (even more so when looking at them isolated), so I'm not surprised when one doesn't see yellow when watching the disc. People also didn't see teal but white snow with the "Fellowship of the Rings" BD or red instead of orange and teal with Sony's Arrival 4K - I do remember the debates all too well.

I.e. no offence, but let's just assume that, while not 100% accurate, the colours are pretty much it. The disc is also MEL, so no "hidden" information there.

Our eyes are great at adjusting. I agree. Especially at this degree where the colors still look great, it's not likely to be a problem in my view.

nicwood · 06-06-2023, 12:39 PM

Got my German 4K today from Plaion.

I can report right off the bat after a brief look that this is not the same disc as the Carlotta. BD-66, German, Italian and English audio presented here in 2.0 PCM.

I spot-checked in Dolby Vision and it is not the same grade as the Carlotta either.
Plaion therefore conducted their own grading and it has been done to match the Severin US. There aren't even hints of yellow / "teal" left. I'd say it strikes the perfect balance between the rather pale Severin and the colorful Carlotta. I have a feeling that this was the intention. Plaion nailed it in that regard.

That means for all fans of a natural-looking grade like the Severin with the bonus of excellent encoding, this release will be for you. I personally have hoped for the saturated grading of the Carlotta as a mean of emphasizing Argento's stylizations with the camera. That's why I'll have to get this release too (sigh) but this German release is without a doubt an excellent presentation which serves the film well.

Hope you enjoy.

andreasy969 · 06-06-2023, 03:56 PM

Does the German one come with Italian or English master? Or something else entirely, i.e. German? (don't know if there is such a thing)

Other than the title, you can check 00:59:43 (just looked up the timestamp from my "casa di cura per malattie mentalie" sign cap)

nicwood · 06-06-2023, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreasy969

Does the German one come with Italian or English master? Or something else entirely, i.e. German? (don't know if there is such a thing)

Other than the title, you can check 00:59:43 (just looked up the timestamp from my "casa di cura per malattie mentalie" sign cap)

It’s an Italian master with the Italian credits. Forgot to mention that earlier.
And thank God for that. I can only reiterate how happy that makes me. There’s not much worse than localized titles.
Plaion makes great decisions when it comes to their releases.

emmet otter · 06-09-2023, 11:55 PM

What are the full specs of this release? I hope to see some comparison screenshots with the Severin release one day.

SymbioticFunction · 06-10-2023, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by emmet otter

I hope to see some comparison screenshots with the Severin release one day.

There are some on the previous page.

emmet otter · 06-10-2023, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SymbioticFunction

There are some on the previous page.

my duh!

Pecker · 07-30-2023, 12:07 PM

My apologies, I've ben AWOL for a while.

Q1 - is there any difference in the cuts between the 2 UHDs?

Q2 - Am I right in saying the Carlotta is English audio, but no English subs?

Cheers.

andreasy969 · 07-30-2023, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pecker

My apologies, I've ben AWOL for a while.

Q1 - is there any difference in the cuts between the 2 UHDs?

If you're referring to the German and French (Carlotta) UHDs (there's 3 Four Flies UHDs by now), no, I don't think so. Only own the French one, but it's pretty safe to say by now that the German one basically matches the French one video wise (same transfer/grade) (the French one even mentions LSP Medien). Only the US Severin release looks different and also comes with English instead of Italian master .

Quote:

Q2 - Am I right in saying the Carlotta is English audio, but no English subs?

Yes.

And @CompleteCount was so kind to post the English subs for some Italian only dialogue here (it's really only a couple of lines). (the German one has no English subs either of course)

Pecker · 07-30-2023, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreasy969

If you're referring to the German and French (Carlotta) UHDs (there's 3 Four Flies UHDs by now), no, I don't think so. Only own the French one, but it's pretty safe to say by now that the German one basically matches the French one video wise (same transfer/grade) (the French one even mentions LSP Medien). Only the US Severin release looks different and also comes with English instead of Italian master .

Yes.

And @CompleteCount was so kind to post the English subs for some Italian only dialogue here (it's really only a couple of lines). (the German one has no English subs either of course)

Many thanks my apologies.

Any difference I’d need to know about between the French and German releases?

andreasy969 · 07-30-2023, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pecker

Many thanks my apologies.

Any difference I’d need to know about between the French and German releases?

Nothing I can think of/could tell you really. I believe @nicwood had both and maybe he can tell you something worth mentioning.

What I noticed only now btw. (after taking a look at my BD-Info scan (see my LSP link above) and caps' scan of the German one): The video bitrate is exactly the same incl. the DV MEL, so video is not only basically the same, it's obviously literally the same encode.

What I also noticed only now is the French one using DTS-HD MA while the German one uses LPCM (both lossless and most likely the same otherwise as well).

I'd say go with the cheaper French one unless you need German audio or subs. The German BD is also faulty (can't remember what it was exactly) and there's a replacement program IIRC.

nicwood · 07-30-2023, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pecker

Many thanks my apologies.

Any difference I’d need to know about between the French and German releases?

In my opinion, there’s no big difference. Andreas pointed out everything you should know. Take whichever you prefer. Hope you enjoy!

thepotentone · 09-01-2024, 09:49 PM

Dalia's death has to be one of the greatest shots that I've ever seen.

Nina completely going full psycho, and the switch to Italian from English during her monologue at the end...

I'd rank this number one out of the animal trilogy.

Watching it a second time, and the pieces really start to come together.

05-31-2023, 06:30 AM	#61
FantasticMrFox Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Schwarzwald 4K collection:301 Blu-ray collection:3435 DVD collection:17 iTunes collection:21 Trading Score:2	German release is pushed back one week to June 7. Preview for the packaging and tat (Hardcover Box with Digipack, Booklet, four Artcards, three A3 Poster, CD Morricone Score):

06-06-2023, 12:39 PM	#63
nicwood Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2018 Location:Germany Trading Score:2	Got my German 4K today from Plaion. I can report right off the bat after a brief look that this is not the same disc as the Carlotta. BD-66, German, Italian and English audio presented here in 2.0 PCM. I spot-checked in Dolby Vision and it is not the same grade as the Carlotta either. Plaion therefore conducted their own grading and it has been done to match the Severin US. There aren't even hints of yellow / "teal" left. I'd say it strikes the perfect balance between the rather pale Severin and the colorful Carlotta. I have a feeling that this was the intention. Plaion nailed it in that regard. That means for all fans of a natural-looking grade like the Severin with the bonus of excellent encoding, this release will be for you. I personally have hoped for the saturated grading of the Carlotta as a mean of emphasizing Argento's stylizations with the camera. That's why I'll have to get this release too (sigh) but this German release is without a doubt an excellent presentation which serves the film well. Hope you enjoy.

06-06-2023, 03:56 PM	#64
andreasy969 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2008 Trading Score:125	Does the German one come with Italian or English master? Or something else entirely, i.e. German? (don't know if there is such a thing) Other than the title, you can check 00:59:43 (just looked up the timestamp from my "casa di cura per malattie mentalie" sign cap)

06-09-2023, 11:55 PM	#66
emmet otter Special Member Member since:Mar 2016 Location:Frogtown Hollow, NJ	What are the full specs of this release? I hope to see some comparison screenshots with the Severin release one day.

07-30-2023, 12:07 PM	#69
Pecker Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2011 Location:Yorkshire	My apologies, I've ben AWOL for a while. Q1 - is there any difference in the cuts between the 2 UHDs? Q2 - Am I right in saying the Carlotta is English audio, but no English subs? Cheers.

09-01-2024, 09:49 PM	#74
thepotentone Expert Member Member since:Feb 2010 Location:North Carolina 4K collection:404 Blu-ray collection:404 Blu-ray reviews:3	Dalia's death has to be one of the greatest shots that I've ever seen. Nina completely going full psycho, and the switch to Italian from English during her monologue at the end... I'd rank this number one out of the animal trilogy. Watching it a second time, and the pieces really start to come together.

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