Neo Film Noir 1961-2035 on blu-ray and 4K UHD

[Richard--W]

Originally Posted by kinotek

Sorry, it's all just TL;DR at this point. I said my piece, am moving on. Good luck with the thread.

I don't know what "TL;DR" means, but it doesn't matter.

You're wrong and you won't admit it.

Your argument against the validity of this thread has been refuted and disproved.

[kinotek]

Originally Posted by Richard--W

I don't know what "TL;DR" means, but it doesn't matter.

You're wrong and you won't admit it.

Your argument against the validity of this thread has been refuted and disproved.

TL;DR = Too long; didn't read

I'm not saying who's right or wrong, I just make it a policy to never get into online arguments. And this has clearly gone past the "discussion" phase. ;-)

[NuXiaolin]

Originally Posted by kinotek

TL;DR = Too long; didn't read

I'm not saying who's right or wrong, I just make it a policy to never get into online arguments. And this has clearly gone past the "discussion" phase. ;-)

It's turned into full-on harassment.

[Richard--W]

Originally Posted by kinotek

TL;DR = Too long; didn't read

I'm not saying who's right or wrong, I just make it a policy to never get into online arguments. And this has clearly gone past the "discussion" phase. ;-)

You started an online argument by attacking the validity of this thread
and me personally. Your attack was couched in polite language but it
was persistent.

Get this cold hard fact into your head: Neo-Noir is NOT the exact same
thing as Film Noir. There are significant differences. All the authorities
support this fact. Try reading a book by one of the authorities cited in
the OP. They're on my side. Your position has been refuted and disproved.

Originally Posted by NuXiaolin

It's turned into full-on harassment.

You should know, you're doing the harassing.

It is not harassment to defend oneself nor debate a point.

To constantly ignore the basic fact that Neo-Noir is different from Film Noir,
to ignore the evidence of it and the scholarship for it in cited works on
film history, is just ignorance. To attack the validity of this thread and to
repeatedly put down the member who started the thread in good faith is
harassment.

You're a thread crapper NuXiaolin. You contribute nothing. You demonstrate
no knowledge or appreciation of noir films. You don't discuss neo-noir, you
just come in here to crap on the thread.

[Richard--W]

In last night's chat at the Film Noir Foundation, Eddie Muller referred to an evening of
screenings he hosted called "Noir or Not?" He remarked that some films cross genres
but share a noir vibe that was prevalent at the time. He gave several examples and
included two films that he said are hard to define, Chaplin's Monsieur Verdoux (1947)
and Sturges' Unfaithfully Yours (1948). He said what they have in common is the noir
vibe.They may be other things before they are noir, but they are also noir. He said he's
not one for labeling, that when he watches these films he doesn't see the genre label
but he feels the noir vibe. He singled out Don Siegel's Hell Is for Heroes (1962) as a
war film that is also a film noir.



Starts at about 35 minutes in:

ASK EDDIE - September 18, 2025 - YouTube

[Richard--W]

Originally Posted by SeanJoyce

Joke of a thread

You're the joke. You've been sniping my posts and harassing my threads
since I joined years ago. You're a chronic and habitual thread crapper with
a documented history of sniping and thread crapping.

If you don't like this thread, keep out. You don't contribute anything.

[Richard--W]

Neo Noir is NOT the exact same thing as classic Film Noir.
There are significant differences.

[DaBargainHunta]

Originally Posted by DaBargainHunta

I nominate the 1993 movie Deadfall. It checks all the boxes.

Alas, it's only available on Blu-ray in this Nic Cage 6-pack, which was at Walmart for a limited time and is long gone now.

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by Richard--W

I'll take your word for DEADFALL (1993) and put it in the OP.
There are region B editions as well, several in Germany.

Originally Posted by DaBargainHunta

Just keep in mind: It's not necessarily a good movie, but I do feel strongly about it being a neo noir. It's bad but very entertaining.

Inexplicably, there's actually a sequel to Deadfall - released 24 years later - even though it makes no sense for one to exist.

Arsenal (2017)



Arsenal brings back Nic Cage's character from Deadfall, but it's a generic straight-to-video crime movie with none of the neo noir elements of the original and none of the "charm." (Even though Deadfall is bad, it's entertaining.) It's only considered a sequel because Cage plays the same character, and there's a Christopher Coppola cameo (he directed the first movie). Otherwise, they're unrelated.

[Richard--W]

"Twenty years after the events of the novel "THE MALTESE FALCON", Sam Spade
has retired in the small town of Bozouls in the South of France. It's 1963, the
war has ended, and in a very short time, so, too, will Spade's tranquility."


I just finished episode 2 and I'm loving it.

Clive Owen is remarkable. His physicality and countenance evokes Bogart
without mimicking him. This actor feels his business with quiet intensity. A
lot of thought and planning went into recreating Sam Spade and continuing
his story in a way that makes sense. The dialogue is seriously good, and I
like how the story gradually escalates into the world of noir.

Monsieur Spade is a European noir in the best sense. An outstanding program.

I want this on blu-ray.



Monsieur Spade (2024)

[NuXiaolin]

Originally Posted by SeanJoyce

Joke of a thread

Climbing my own thumb boss.

[Richard--W]

A film noir classic and its neo noir remake.

The remake will never become a classic.