The future of Audio for Music Lovers?

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by jdc115

I enjoy them a lot, I started just with the 2 channel system for music and used spare speakers I had around for 5.1 until I could build out the system. ...

That's how I did it, too. I started with a used pair of Klein&Hummel O111 for audio mixing and music listening. I compared them to a pair of B&W 802D and honestly, I would not trade them To get into surround I started with a used JMlabs Focal 5.0 surround setup. And now that I finally hunted down enough K&Hs (O96) to match my O111s I'm selling my Focals (actually they go out tomorrow).

I still very much enjoy 2 channel music (from vinyl to Hi-rez) but there are a lot of records I would love to have mixed in 5.0

[jdc115]

Originally Posted by HDJK

That's how I did it, too. I started with a used pair of Klein&Hummel O111 for audio mixing and music listening. I compared them to a pair of B&W 802D and honestly, I would not trade them To get into surround I started with a used JMlabs Focal 5.0 surround setup. And now that I finally hunted down enough K&Hs (O96) to match my O111s I'm selling my Focals (actually they go out tomorrow).

I still very much enjoy 2 channel music (from vinyl to Hi-rez) but there are a lot of records I would love to have mixed in 5.0

I have friend's with vinyl and enjoy it a lot. A few times we would listen to her system and compare vinyl to the same CDs (though maybe different masters) and it really shocked a few people that never had listened to records how nice they sound. I'd love to have a nice turntable but don't want to make the investment now. And it wouldnt be the hardware that would cost me but the software

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by jdc115

...I'd love to have a nice turntable but don't want to make the investment now. And it wouldnt be the hardware that would cost me but the software

I know what you mean. A friend of mine has hundreds of records and he keeps recommending stuff to me. It's really hard to resist, especially if there's no quality CD or SACD/DVDA of it around.

I did some comparisons of vinyl records to DVDA and SACDs (in stereo) and (to come back to topic): a well mixed and mastered DVDA or SACD can sound every bit as nice as a good ol' vinyl. It's different, but it is the future (that hopefully lives on in the form of BD Audio).

I made the mistake and popped in a few CDs afterwards (including a long time favorite by Sting: Ten Summoners Tales) and it was shocking how bad it sounded...

[Sir Terrence]

Originally Posted by BluRayExplosion

I've seen research with blind listening that very few people can notice a significant difference beyond 96kHz, but have any studies been done with 32-bit audio? For example would 96/32 provide more advantages than 192/24?

The answer to your question is no. 32 floating point is essentially 24bit in the end. Both are beyond the thermal level of all equipment, so in the end there is no benefit for 32bit floating point over 24bit fixed point.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by JimPullan

Before I purchased this, I had a high end Thorens Turntable, and at one time both were in my home to where I could do an A-B test. I had a friend of mine blindfold me and play the same record on each player, and I was unable to discern the Laser Player from the Needle Player. Both sounded outstanding. I have over 1,500 LP's in pristine condition and I wanted to keep them that way and the Laser approach simply made sense to me. Many of my LP's are not even available on CD, so I had to protect my investment. Yes, it was expensive, but so is my collection of LP's, some are priceless. [Jim]

Considering Laserdisc was contemporary with the last 10 years of mass adopted LP, I'm simply amazed nobody tried this beforehand.

I wonder if CD would have caught on as much if laser LP players had been out at the time?

It makes so much sense. And I commend you for going that route. Some audiophiles I've talked to bad mouth it a lot, but I can't understand that at all. When all is equal, touchless must win, right?

Gary

[richteer]

Originally Posted by JimPullan

Richteer,

Most consumers are familiar with the term 'Diamond Needle' or Needle. Yes, we know it as a stylus. I didn't realize we have several 'audiophile' forum members here on a forum for Blu-ray Disc, hardware and software. [Jim]

Most consumers are familiar with the term needle, but it doesn't dissaude me from trying to correct people. :-)

Yes, there seem to be a few audiophiles here. I guess the appreciation of good music in stereo isn't mutually exclusive to the appreciation of good movies in 5.1.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Considering Laserdisc was contemporary with the last 10 years of mass adopted LP, I'm simply amazed nobody tried this beforehand.

It makes so much sense. And I commend you for going that route. Some audiophiles I've talked to bad mouth it a lot, but I can't understand that at all. When all is equal, touchless must win, right?

The laser LP player was a very hard problem to solve, which is one reason why it took so long to come to market. I've heard differing opinions of the ELP, but as I've not heard it myself, I can't comment.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by welwynnick

Does anyone else think that the centre speaker has little benefit when stereo is working properly?
Nick

Yeah, I would say that the center channel has no benefit in a properly set up stereo. Good thing too: with a stereo signal, how would one derive the center channel?

[Chevypower]

Originally Posted by richteer

Yeah, I would say that the center channel has no benefit in a properly set up stereo. Good thing too: with a stereo signal, how would one derive the center channel?

In pro-logic, it's whatever is the same in both L and R would be center channel. Only the sounds that are unique to L or R would remain there.

In regards to the topic, did audiophiles (music) ever ask for more than 2 channels? I don't think so.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by richteer

Yeah, I would say that the center channel has no benefit in a properly set up stereo. Good thing too: with a stereo signal, how would one derive the center channel?

The problem is that often you watch a movie with more than one person sitting next to each other. No matter how good your L/R imaging, it will never create a stable center phantom if you're sitting off axis.

[awolpoland]

i read that NIN is going to realease there new cd on blu ray with still photos while the musoc plays...

[frenchglen]

Originally Posted by Sir Terrence

The answer to your question is no. 32 floating point is essentially 24bit in the end. Both are beyond the thermal level of all equipment, so in the end there is no benefit for 32bit floating point over 24bit fixed point.

thanks for that info. always wondered about that.

I suppose the next natural question is - what can you do to make digital closer to analog sound? (assuming you already have superb recording/playback equipment/engineer?)

[Kuraudo]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

from what I have read...192kHz has more


...as for 32bit vs.24 ? who knows. Has anything been recorded in 32 yet? past my knowledge.

According to my Audio mixing teachers who use Sony Studios
he tells me they all record, mix and do everything in 32bit. He noted that all the other artists he knows does the same thing. His name is Paul Rjinders.
Anything else is mixed down for the CD. The 32bit mixing gives headroom
in case they do wish to release it again in the future or for a lossless release.
Because back then some artists chose to use high quality recording methods, they were able to re release 24 bit masters,..but don't be fooled SOME artists release remasters but aren't truly 24 bit, sorta upscaled. This is just like comparing how a blu ray disc can be super crappy (flying daggers) vs. a well mastered one (POTC).

[Teazle]

What the hell, let's give this one a bump too. Very timely what with Josh's poll. Vote here:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...61#post1057861


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