Power Cord In Wall

[Edh63]

Ok, I'll stop.

[rubberghost]

nice avatar.

[yyyiiikes]

I decided to remove the Net Jack from my cables. It comes off with an Xacto blade and a pair of sharp scissors.

[so7o]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

Call the provider of your Home-owner's insurance......

please do

because in most cases, a power cable in wall will void out your home owners insurance


no tv is worth losing a house

[Ex Accountant]

Originally Posted by DiverSpear

Flexible cords/power cords are a direct violation of NEC article 400.8 (5)

Here is a complete copy of the article 2005 NEC

400.8 Uses not permitted
Unless specifically permitted in 400.7, flexible cords and cables shall not be used for the following:
(1) As a substitute for the fixed wiring of a structure
(2) Where run through holes in walls, structural ceilings, suspended ceilings, dropped ceilings, or floors
(3) Where run through doorways, windows, or similar openings
(4) Where attached to building surfaces
Exception to (4): Flexible cords may be attached to building surfaces according to 368.56(B)

(5) Where concealed by walls, floors, or ceilings or located above suspended or dropped ceilings
(6) Where installed in raceways, except as otherwise noted in the code.
(7) Where subject to physical damage

I copied this straight from my code book. Any other electricain on this forum can verify this. Granted I'm not perfect I've only been a sparky for 20 yrs but (2) and (5) clearly state no.

Bah! I still haven't contacted the insurance company or UL, but I will...eventually. The thing I want to know now is what does 400.7 say?

[DiverSpear]

400.7 states where uses are permitted

400.7 Uses Permitted

(A) Uses. Flexible cords and cables shall be used only for the following:
(1) Pendants
(2) Wiring of luminaries (fixtures)
(3) Connection of protable lamps, portable and mobile signs, or appliances
(4) Elevator cables
(5) Wiring of cranes and hoists
(6) Connection of utilization equipment to facilitate frequency interchange
(7) Prevention of the transmission of noise or vibration
(8) Appliances where the fastening means and mechanical connections are specifically designed to permit ready removal for maintenance and repair, and the appliance is intended or indentified for flexible cord connection
(9) Connection of moving parts
(10) Where specifically permitted elswhere in the code

Anything plugged into a receptacle is considered an appliance by code.

Insurance companies have little say as to what goes into the NEC. The NEC is chapter 70 of the NFPA (National Fire Protection Act). The bottom line is install a recepectacle behind the TV's and plug them in that way.

[yyyiiikes]

Monoprice responded that they had checked with their factory rep and the nylon mesh does not affect the CL2 rating.

Any other response from the factory rep would have been surprising...

Even if that is factual, bottom line is that I don't know what good that will do in an inspection if the cable does not indicate externally it is CL2. As posted earlier, I removed the nylon mesh from the HDMI cables and now the CL2 designation is clearly visible.

Out of pure curiosity, I put a match to some of the discarded mesh. It did seem to resist burning. I know this does not prove anything, but if it had gone up like a Christmas tree, it would be something to be excited about.

I'll post up some picks of my install.

[Ex Accountant]

Originally Posted by DiverSpear

400.7 states where uses are permitted

400.7 Uses Permitted

(A) Uses. Flexible cords and cables shall be used only for the following:
(1) Pendants
(2) Wiring of luminaries (fixtures)
(3) Connection of protable lamps, portable and mobile signs, or appliances
(4) Elevator cables
(5) Wiring of cranes and hoists
(6) Connection of utilization equipment to facilitate frequency interchange
(7) Prevention of the transmission of noise or vibration
(8) Appliances where the fastening means and mechanical connections are specifically designed to permit ready removal for maintenance and repair, and the appliance is intended or indentified for flexible cord connection
(9) Connection of moving parts
(10) Where specifically permitted elswhere in the code

Anything plugged into a receptacle is considered an appliance by code.

Insurance companies have little say as to what goes into the NEC. The NEC is chapter 70 of the NFPA (National Fire Protection Act). The bottom line is install a recepectacle behind the TV's and plug them in that way.

Thanks for the follow up. You seem to be somewhat familiar with this. I suppose this would mean I would have to read the code thoroughly to see if something fits into #10 above, but we all know the chances of that.

Yyyikes - On a side note, I have been told by a UL enthusiast that anything UL rated means it's approved. One of these days, I'll have to contact UL (and my insurance company) for proof.

[DiverSpear]

Anyone can buy a code book. Get ready for some dry reading. Yes, I'm familiar with the NEC code book having been an Electrician for 20 years plus the NEC is revised every 3 years.

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by Ex Accountant

Thanks for the follow up. You seem to be somewhat familiar with this. I suppose this would mean I would have to read the code thoroughly to see if something fits into #10 above, but we all know the chances of that.

Yyyikes - On a side note, I have been told by a UL enthusiast that anything UL rated means it's approved. One of these days, I'll have to contact UL (and my insurance company) for proof.

Man, all I can say is "Good luck; you'll need it." Haha..you have one hell of a journey ahead of you!