Y can't all BD's be 1.85:1

[UFAlien]

Originally Posted by toefer

So what is the actual movie part of the screen, 820p or so?

In 2.40:1 at 1080p, you get 801p.

2.35:1 is 818p.

2.20:1 is 874p.

1.85:1 is 1039p

At 720p, these become 534p, 545p, 582p, and 692p respectively.

This is with rounding and assuming all ratios are exact.

[toef]

Originally Posted by J6P

Are you sure? I'd guess you'll be wanting all of the content that "fills the screen" nowadays to be cropped in, so you don't have black bars on the sides of the picture, which it would on a 2.35:1 display.

I'm sure there will be a zoom button, and I can stretch the 16:9 to fill the sides.

By the way, that post (and this one) were jokes.

[nismo604]

No way...the studios should keep OAR to give us the choice....to the OP use your ZOOM button on your TV to fill your screen, you have the choice to cut off the sides, for me I want to see the whole picture as the director intended thus no ZOOM. The choice is completely in your hands...er remote.

[4K2K]

Originally Posted by UFAlien

In 2.40:1 at 1080p, you get 801p.

2.35:1 is 818p.

2.20:1 is 874p.

1.85:1 is 1039p

At 720p, these become 534p, 545p, 582p, and 692p respectively.

This is with rounding and assuming all ratios are exact.

Isn't 1920/2.40=800?
1920/2.35=817.021276595744681 (rounded to nearest whole number=817)?
1920/2.20=872.727272727272727 (rounded to nearest whole number=873)?
1920/1.85=1037.83783783783784 (rounded to nearest whole number=1038)?

[UFAlien]

Meh, I rounded in some places and not others. I was rushing XD

[4K2K]

Originally Posted by nismo604

No way...the studios should keep OAR to give us the choice....to the OP use your ZOOM button on your TV to fill your screen, you have the choice to cut off the sides, for me I want to see the whole picture as the director intended thus no ZOOM. The choice is completely in your hands...er remote.

People keep saying that but not all TVs have a zoom option capable of zooming/cropping a 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 Blu-ray sent via HDMI to fill the screen. Maybe your TV does but none of my TVs do.

[4K2K]

Originally Posted by UFAlien

Yeah, but that's meaningless. dividing the number of pixels by the aspect ratio doesn't tell you how many pixels are used... you're correct in your arithmetic, but you're approaching the problem the wrong way. Those numbers are meaningless. You've just shown how many times a 240 pixel image could be displayed horizontally at 1080p.

My numbers aren't meaningless. If you think your numbers are more meaningful and accurate, how did you calculate or come to the answers you gave?

It's true that they probably don't use those exact number of lines, they probably crop even more to make sure the image area is divisible by macroblock size (8 pixels high or so) - so the black bars get even bigger and you lose even more of the picture (all for compression efficiency), and some 1.85:1 movies could be cropped to 1.78:1 to fit TVs, and chances are 2.40:1 movies are probably really 2.39:1 - but as you said in your post those calculations assumed the aspect ratios given were exact.

[UFAlien]

I realized that on my own, I edited my post XD

I was just using a longer more roundabout way, I guess. We really just rounded the numbers differently.

[Dark Lord]

Jesus wept.

[rubberghost]

what ever the director intended is what i want.

[brett_day]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

Because trimming a movie to fit your screen would kind of be like trimming the "wh" off of the word "why". And who would ever want to do something like that?

lol!

[lonewolf8]

Originally Posted by DViper2399

I know everyone has there own opinion but mine is Why can't all Bd's be 1.85:1 ratio?? I think it makes the picture stand out so much more it fills most/to all of the display, I just think it stands out so much better...Back in the DVD & standard TV days I preferred Widescreen DVD's, I would freak if my GF accidentally would buy a fullscreen DVD & exchange it.. But I wish more bd's were 1.85:1 instead of the more common ratio of 2.40:1..Who agree or disagrees?

If you preferred widescreen over full screen, and understood why you should prefer them, then you would not even be asking this otherwise foolish question. We would all prefer that movies shown on our widescreen HD TVs would magically fill our screens from corner to corner.
But that is NOT going to happen, and anyone in here who has done their homework about films and aspect ratios would know why it will not.
The simple answer is that Hollywood films in different formats and depending on the director, the medium used to film, etc... it may or may not magically fill your screen.
What you are asking for, since not everyone uses the same cropping and aspect ratio, is for companies like Warner, MGM, etc... to start releasing their films in an incorrect aspect ratio, resulting in a film that is cropped, (remember full screen?) or is less clear or detailed an image because it is being forced into an incorrect aspect ratio.
A better thread might be asking why film makers do not all shoot in a standard format for new releases. And doing that, would be asking directors to work in a film or film making process that goes against an artistic choice. Such as whether to shoot in 70mm, 35mm, or digital, or whatever...
If you are asking film companies themselves to begin releasing in incorrect aspect ratios, then you are undermining the whole idea of high definition blu-rays and films being seen as they were meant to be seen. And you and anyone who agrees with you should use your zoom button, since its obvious you don't care whether you are seeing the best picture possible!
If this sounds harsh, I have the same reaction to morons discussing full screen over widescreen and saying; "I hate the black bars"
If you hate the black bars and lines, zoom the picure, or even better, tell your simple little mind to watch the pretty color pixels that are lit up and stop looking at the black parts of the screen.
This whole thread, and all others like it are just plain ignorant.....!

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by DViper2399

I know everyone has there own opinion but mine is Why can't all Bd's be 1.85:1 ratio?? I think it makes the picture stand out so much more it fills most/to all of the display, I just think it stands out so much better...Back in the DVD & standard TV days I preferred Widescreen DVD's, I would freak if my GF accidentally would buy a fullscreen DVD & exchange it.. But I wish more bd's were 1.85:1 instead of the more common ratio of 2.40:1..Who agree or disagrees?

No thanks!

I prefer to see the movie as the director intended!

[lonewolf8]

Originally Posted by 4K2K

People keep saying that but not all TVs have a zoom option capable of zooming/cropping a 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 Blu-ray sent via HDMI to fill the screen. Maybe your TV does but none of my TVs do.

Buy a new TV

[wormraper]

sigh, another one of these threads?

[4K2K]

Originally Posted by lonewolf8

If you are asking film companies themselves to begin releasing in incorrect aspect ratios, then you are undermining the whole idea of high definition blu-rays and films being seen as they were meant to be seen. And you and anyone who agrees with you should use your zoom button, since its obvious you don't care whether you are seeing the best picture possible!
If this sounds harsh, I have the same reaction to morons discussing full screen over widescreen and saying; "I hate the black bars"
If you hate the black bars and lines, zoom the picure, or even better, tell your simple little mind to watch the pretty color pixels that are lit up and stop looking at the black parts of the screen.
This whole thread, and all others like it are just plain ignorant.....!

1. There is no need to call people names or be rude if you disagree with their point of view.

2. Is watching a movie with the director's commentary on giving you the same film experience as watching it with the normal film audio? Does it give you the same experience as you get at the cinema? Yet, don't many Blu-rays/DVDs come with a director's/cast/film-maker's commentary? It's an option on playback.

3. Nothing is stopping them giving the viewer the option to view the film in the way that they would like the most.

[SpaceDog]

really? seriously? again?
I think blu-ray.com should set an OAR only policy and be done with these threads.

[4K2K]

Originally Posted by lonewolf8

Buy a new TV

Even if I had an TV with such an option, the quality/resolution wouldn't be as good as if there was a separate encode on the disc(s) that was in 1.78:1 format.

Actually I usually prefer OAR, but I also like options.

[bluskies]

Originally Posted by DViper2399

I know everyone has there own opinion but mine is Why can't all Bd's be 1.85:1 ratio?? I think it makes the picture stand out so much more it fills most/to all of the display, I just think it stands out so much better...Back in the DVD & standard TV days I preferred Widescreen DVD's, I would freak if my GF accidentally would buy a fullscreen DVD & exchange it.. But I wish more bd's were 1.85:1 instead of the more common ratio of 2.40:1..Who agree or disagrees?

I know from your post that you don't seem to mind that the sides are cut off as long as it fills the screen, which to me is bad enough, but I have to cringe when I see this cutting down apply to words, too. Why can't you go for the full "Why" in your header, instead of "Y"? It's only three letters. Would it have taken that much more effort? LOL, or is "Y" the fullscreen version of "Why"?

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by J6P

Are you sure? I'd guess you'll be wanting all of the content that "fills the screen" nowadays to be cropped in, so you don't have black bars on the sides of the picture, which it would on a 2.35:1 display.

The only answer that truly works for adamant black bar haters is to force all directors to work in one aspect ratio, and to butcher all existing film to also conform to that standard. A wider tv won't fix this "problem", but learning more about film and filmmaking might. I've seen a lot of people turned around on this issue here.

I havn't really thought through the logistics, because i don't know the house or room i will be building this in, but i do plan on building a 2.35:1 projection in a house. I will adjust the zoom for 16:9 movies and will pillarbox them given the full size of the screen.

of course i will still have black bars on things like sleeping bueaty. dang you walt disney!!!