How Good Is The US "Hulk" Blu-Ray?

[Anklefoot]

Thanks for the welcome. After I went to bed, I thought about tracking down the Hulk listing from the old Marvel Universe guides - we must think alike.

As for the movies, I enjoyed both, but my quibble with both films is that the Hulk isn't strong enough in either of them. He almost seems to struggle at lifting things that weigh a few tons- as the guide points out, he can handle well in excess of 100 tons. The fight between Hulk and Abomination should have left downtown Toronto, I mean, New York, in absolute ruins - buildings collapsing, water mains spraying everywhere and so on. Although I guess the limitless strength was a later development, it is part of the Hulk I think most comic book readers remember. The World War Hulk saga showed that Hulk - even with his rage (somewhat) in check.

Maybe the Avengers movie will ramp up the budget and the Hulks strength. I have very high hopes for that one.

[arrow61095]

Originally Posted by jasonbird

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Here's the official guide from 2004. The one noticeable change I know of is that his lungs have adapted to breath under water. It's a great read for Hulk fans:
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Thanks for the scans of the guide; it is a great refresher.

[Monkey_Boy]

Originally Posted by jasonbird

I read an interview at AICN with Roth and Leterrier where they eluded to the fact that the plan was to use Roth again in the sequel (along with Sterns). While I know it's pretty standard procedure to use a 3 picture deal contract both he and Tim Blake Nelson have one. I would love to see them both again. Now that the fan base is energized, we can get on with things.

Well, here's hopin', but keep in mind that Tyler Mane had a contract for all 3 X-films and he was never brung back again. I'm just hoping that if they do end up bringing him back, that they touch up on what's going on with him mentally. Give him more of a reason to be a supervillain other than "I'm gonna kick his @ss!".

Just wanted to clarify what that I meant when it comes to controlling the transformation (not control of the Hulk himself). In TIH he had no control over the transformations which is why he was learning some unique anger management techniques from a capoeira master in Brazil. Whereas in Hulk, he seemed to have a modicum (or more) of control over the transformations (as detailed in my last post).

Oh! My nephew had come in and was trying to get me to play Gears of War with 'im and so only "control" and "Hulk" registered with the sound of his shrill 11-year-old voice overpowering my ears.

To address what you were actually typing about:
I already answered alotta what you typed by pointing out that they coulda been going in the direction of the Maestro storyline, where he's corrupted by his power. (His beard and the way he seemed to enjoy getting angry at the end just seemed to be screaming this.) I also typed that I can't really explain what the deal was with him changing before he was completely calm. (I guess we'll just haveta blame the writers on this one. ) However, I will haveta agree that he definetly had more control than Norton's Banner did, but only because it is harder to control heartbeats than emotions.

It will be VERY interesting to see how they add the Hulk to the Avengers. Interacting with the other characters (I think this was one of the main reasons Marvel wanted him leaner; so they wouldn't have to have every shot of him a wide angle ) will be very cool.

Yeah. I'm interested to see where they end up going with this. My boy, on the other hand, is rather upset about what was done to The Hulk and finds "The Incredible Hulk" inexcusable. I lent him my copy, and he called me up with a rant that would take our conversation from "geeky" to "cool"! (To get an idea of how "geeky" he got: He actually had a problem with The Hulk putting out the fire with his Thunder Clap by saying, "It was a fuel-based fire! You haveta smother a fuel-based fire! You can't just blow it out!" ) He did make a good point during his rant: this Hulk behaved more like The Grey Hulk than any of the green ones because he had a more destructive attitude. '08's Hulk seemed to be hellbent on destroying any and everything in his path, while '03's only beat on something until it was deemed defeated. Case in point, the way he did that car with the soldiers in it by picking it up and smashing it on a spike after he had already made the car useless. He wasn't caring whether soldiers were hurt or not, just wanting to destroy. (He did in fact kill the soldiers in the helicopter, and it's a BIG NO-NO! for a hero to kill good men who were only following orders to subdue a monster on campus. And yes, The Hulk is supposed to be a hero.) I had read that at one point during the production that The Hulk was indeed going to be grey. I wonder why they decided to go green if they kept the Grey's personality.

Originally posted by Anklefoot:
This conversation is just so nerdy...

HEY!

That's all I got, I guess I can't argue!

Hulks rage is even more pronounced in the Ultimate Universe, where he eats people and Skrulls.

WHAT?! What kinda rage is that?! Good gravy! So, what, is he like some kinda bad@ss supervillain? Or does he only eat the bad guys?

As for the movies, I enjoyed both, but my quibble with both films is that the Hulk isn't strong enough in either of them.

I dunno. I can definetly type, without hyperbole, that The Hulks in both versions were definetly strong as all get out. They both showed off some amazing feats of strength, whether it was Lee's busting up 4 tanks or Leterrier's ripping cars in half. (Although, I think Lee's wins because he did destroy an entire street, cars and all, by simply slamming the ground with his fists! ) It's just that Lee's was bigger and angrier, and that's all I care about when it comes to The Hulk.

Such awesomeness...

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

Well, here's hopin', but keep in mind that Tyler Mane had a contract for all 3 X-films and he was never brung back again. I'm just hoping that if they do end up bringing him back, that they touch up on what's going on with him mentally. Give him more of a reason to be a supervillain other than "I'm gonna kick his @ss!".

Absolutely. Nothing is ever set in stone until things are greenlit with a working script in place.

I also typed that I can't really explain what the deal was with him changing before he was completely calm. (I guess we'll just haveta blame the writers on this one. )

I actually thought it was Lee's way of showing just how difficult it was for Banner to control his rage. It goes right along with the theme established that he himself triggered the transformation back to make sure Betty was okay (now that the danger had been adverted). Furthermore I think he didn't change back when he was calm (when Betty sees him the first time) because Bruce knew his father had put Betty in danger. I actually felt it played well in the context Lee had created.

However, I will haveta agree that he definetly had more control than Norton's Banner did, but only because it is harder to control heartbeats than emotions.

Stress. STRESS! Stress. The heartbeats were to monitor his level of stress. It's been explained and you can read it again in paragraph 4 under Superhuman Powers of the OFFICIAL MARVEL HANDBOOK. It's the heartbeat that is a signal that a transformation is possibly about to occur. Sorry, just got a bit worked up. I see you're never going to go with the official MARVEL reason for Hulk's transformations I'm sure the watch was there for the uninitiated Hulk fans. Hollywood always thinks there's a certain number of movie goers that need things spelled out for them.

(To get an idea of how "geeky" he got: He actually had a problem with The Hulk putting out the fire with his Thunder Clap by saying, "It was a fuel-based fire! You haveta smother a fuel-based fire! You can't just blow it out!")

Just let him know that the thunderclap is done with such force and strength that it creates a vacuum; an area devoid of air where no fire can exist (I read the book based on the screenplay by Peter David ).

He did make a good point during his rant: this Hulk behaved more like The Grey Hulk than any of the green ones because he had a more destructive attitude. '08's Hulk seemed to be hellbent on destroying any and everything in his path, while '03's only beat on something until it was deemed defeated. Case in point, the way he did that car with the soldiers in it by picking it up and smashing it on a spike after he had already made the car useless. He wasn't caring whether soldiers were hurt or not, just wanting to destroy. (He did in fact kill the soldiers in the helicopter, and it's a BIG NO-NO! for a hero to kill good men who were only following orders to subdue a monster on campus. And yes, The Hulk is supposed to be a hero.) I had read that at one point during the production that The Hulk was indeed going to be grey. I wonder why they decided to go green if they kept the Grey's personality.

He was actually slamming the hummer on the statue that had soldiers underneath shooting at him (they weren't leaving him alone ). This is the new realistic Marvel Universe. Collateral damage happens. When Iron Man destroyed the Genesis weapon in that town you have to assume there were innocent town people there. You can either say the pilot/soldier got out okay or not. The same thing goes for the comics, you assume it happens off panel (or you don't) )

(Although, I think Lee's wins because he did destroy an entire street, cars and all, by simply slamming the ground with his fists! )

I do have to remind you that the street was actually destroyed (the crack from the bottom of the hill to the top) as he made his way through the sewer (I prefer not to think he was tunneling like Bugs Bunny ) The cars did tumble down the hill from the blow!

It's just that Lee's was bigger and angrier, and that's all I care about when it comes to The Hulk.

Yeah, the size of a HOUSE! I do agree that The Hulk demonstrated greater strength in the first movie

[Anklefoot]

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

WHAT?! What kinda rage is that?! Good gravy! So, what, is he like some kinda bad@ss supervillain? Or does he only eat the bad guys?

Not so much villain as uncontrollable force of nature. At one point, when the Ultimates (this 'universe's' version of the avengers) are at a loss as to how to stop an alien invasion, they drop banner out of an airplane (where else did I see that? ) and turn the giant monster loose. The Hulk in this series is all ID, all primal rage and hunger - and almost completely unstoppable.

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

I dunno. I can definetly type, without hyperbole, that The Hulks in both versions were definetly strong as all get out. They both showed off some amazing feats of strength, whether it was Lee's busting up 4 tanks or Leterrier's ripping cars in half. (Although, I think Lee's wins because he did destroy an entire street, cars and all, by simply slamming the ground with his fists! ) It's just that Lee's was bigger and angrier, and that's all I care about when it comes to The Hulk.

No disagreement that Hulk was very strong - but not 1980s-90's comic book strong, and certainly not current comic strong. Skyscrapers collapse and tsunamis form when Hulk fights someone else close to his power level.

The Ang Lee Hulk felt more like the comic Hulk to me. The scene where he leaps miles and miles, followed by the battle in the desert, was very much comic book Hulk. But neither quite got it how I hoped it would be. I enjoyed both movies (although the Absorbing Man as Banner's father really bugged me). I just want to see the Hulk throw a tank for miles - without having to spin it around gaining speed. Throw it like a football.

[the incredible sulk]

u r sad 4 loving the hulk it is a cartoon comic character grow up

[Porkchop Express]

Originally Posted by the incredible sulk

u r sad 4 loving the hulk it is a cartoon comic character grow up

You're sad for apparently creating an account to make one post.

[arrow61095]

Originally Posted by the incredible sulk

u r sad 4 loving the hulk it is a cartoon comic character grow up

Originally Posted by Porkchop Express

You're sad for apparently creating an account to make one post.

+1.
the incredible sulk Made an account just to threadcr*p.

[hanumang]

I think some sarcasm detectors need to be reset.

[the incredible sulk]

haha u lot of green monsters the hulk is s##t tho comics are for babies

[assydingo]

Originally Posted by DeadDog

Agreed

I've never "not got" a critic/fan approved movie as much as the new hulk.

I seriously don't see anything better about it.