Porn industry seeks federal bailout

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by john_1958

thats why divorce is on the rise

why? because the guy is nuttin off every so often for release when the sex life in the marriage has somewhat tapered off? or because the sex life in the marriage is slowly dying? i'm not sure i follow. that's a part of relationships and marriage. you're not going to have a red hot sex life all the time. life impedes. it's what life does. time becomes an issue. it's a reality. it doesn't mean though you don't love your wife/husband. it's just a natural part of relationships. it's not a bad thing per se.

[opterasis]

Judging by his movie collection, apparently violence isn't immoral. Gotta love how people pick and chose the religious morals that they feel like standing by.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by phlydude

Let's just say, anyone who went to catholic school and was forced to go to church each Sunday probably sees where moviefan1203 is coming from.

Which is exactly why religion should never be taught to children. After all that is not kids choice! Parents, school teachers, etc put it in his head and I am not quite sure how damaging it is to child's mind to be indoctrinated at that age.
I don't understand why can't the same child be thought to be a good person w/o all religious dogmas. Or why a child or an adult is a better person if he behaves good just because he's afraid of going to hell vs. a person who is just a good person w/o fear of hell and all that. As far as I can tell that deterrent(hell and its equivalents in other religions) didn't stop lots of villains anyway.

If one can vote after 18, drink after 21 and own firearms after 18 and so on, why should the same person be made of certain religion starting from 5 or 4? Because his parents think that's the right one?

Then we have people who come out and demand that others obey the same rules they(or someone few thousand years ago) invented for themselves and things go on...

[CasualKiller]

Larry Flynt got his name back in the headlines and another 15 min in the spotlight.. mission accomplished. Now crawl back under your rock.

[nick1091]

Originally Posted by Zvi

Which is exactly why religion should never be taught to children. After all that is not kids choice! Parents, school teachers, etc put it in his head and I am not quite sure how damaging it is to child's mind to be indoctrinated at that age.

Kids also don't usually choose what they eat for dinner, where they live, or when they can go to bed either. Our society gives the parents the right and responsibility to make these decisions on behalf of minors.

I don't understand why can't the same child be thought to be a good person w/o all religious dogmas.

I don't really see people who classify children as good or bad on whether they go to church. Some of the unruliest behavior I've ever seen from small children has been in churches.

Or why a child or an adult is a better person if he behaves good just because he's afraid of going to hell vs. a person who is just a good person w/o fear of hell and all that.

I think you're really oversimplifying the whole idea of bringing up a child in a certain religion.

People who belong to a certain religion of course believe it is the right thing to do, and in all sincerity the belief in a higher power can assist children who have questions about life that are not easily explainable (Why bad things happen to good people, why do certain people die so young while some bad people live so long, etc.)

I do agree though, that religion should not be the sole determination on the measure of a person.

As far as I can tell that deterrent(hell and its equivalents in other religions) didn't stop lots of villains anyway.

Unfortunately villains come from all different types of upbringings.

If one can vote after 18, drink after 21 and own firearms after 18 and so on, why should the same person be made of certain religion starting from 5 or 4? Because his parents think that's the right one?

That's precisely why. Parents usually attempt to teach their children by trying to show a good example. I don't see what the issue is with that. Children are not born with absolute knowledge of what is good and what is bad, they are sponges who absorb the standards of their environment.

I should say that I'm am not a religious zealot, but I'm not anti-religion either. I do find a certain irony in the similarity between the two groups. Two ends of the spectrum, both stubborn and unyielding, criticizing each other for being stubborn and unyielding.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by nick1091

Kids also don't usually choose what they eat for dinner, where they live, or when they can go to bed either. Our society gives the parents the right and responsibility to make these decisions on behalf of minors.

The right is to freedom of religion. Indoctrination might be considered as a violation of that freedom.

Originally Posted by nick1091

People who belong to a certain religion of course believe it is the right thing to do, and in all sincerity the belief in a higher power can assist children who have questions about life that are not easily explainable (Why bad things happen to good people, why do certain people die so young while some bad people live so long, etc.)

I do agree though, that religion should not be the sole determination on the measure of a person.



Unfortunately villains come from all different types of upbringings.



That's precisely why. Parents usually attempt to teach their children by trying to show a good example. I don't see what the issue is with that. Children are not born with absolute knowledge of what is good and what is bad, they are sponges who absorb the standards of their environment.

I should say that I'm am not a religious zealot, but I'm not anti-religion either. I do find a certain irony in the similarity between the two groups. Two ends of the spectrum, both stubborn and unyielding, criticizing each other for being stubborn and unyielding.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by nick1091

Kids also don't usually choose what they eat for dinner, where they live, or when they can go to bed either.

Come on, no need to make it so harsh on kids I am sure at least in some families kids can ask for different meal(s) at least or even refuse parents choice.

Originally Posted by nick1091

Our society gives the parents the right and responsibility to make these decisions on behalf of minors.

While food and living can be considered essential for living and growing up a normal person, religion is not. Besides, one thing is the type of food parent chooses, (unless it's something damaging in a long term) and another is religion. Which is very long term in general. There are religions that prohibit medical treatment, limit education, damage health or mind and so on.
BTW, food won't have that much of an impact on the child to affect forming his personality, while religion does. Which is quite limiting, considering the kid is indoctrinated with the dogmas that often contradict science.
To simplify, do you think Hamas or likes of them can convince youngsters to blow up themselves at 16-17 just by feeding them with particular food and telling them when to sleep? As usual religion is the primary tool.

Originally Posted by nick1091

I don't really see people who classify children as good or bad on whether they go to church. Some of the unruliest behavior I've ever seen from small children has been in churches.

I'm not sure whether this was in response to my comment, but I didn't classify children as bad or good. I said that to teach a child good moral values, i.e. teach being a good person can be accomplished w/o religion. it isn't necessary.

Originally Posted by nick1091

I think you're really oversimplifying the whole idea of bringing up a child in a certain religion.

Depends on a religion. But for now religion as a tool for indoctrination/manipulation is surpassing anything else by far.

Originally Posted by nick1091

People who belong to a certain religion of course believe it is the right thing to do, and in all sincerity the belief in a higher power can assist children who have questions about life that are not easily explainable

While at that as usual kids get first ideas about what is the right religion, which obviously is parent's religion, unbelievers(or heretics are bad), other kids learn that they should blow up themselves later to go to heaven and so on and so forth.

Originally Posted by nick1091

I do agree though, that religion should not be the sole determination on the measure of a person.

Unfortunately it is. And even though officially all or most of the religions teach tolerance and all that, as usual the most intolerant folks are religious zealots.

Originally Posted by Zvi

If one can vote after 18...

Originally Posted by nick1091

That's precisely why. Parents usually attempt to teach their children by trying to show a good example.

Agreed, however that doesn't mean that parents can vote for their children, i.e. make that choice for them. By choosing the religion for the kid it's pretty much lifelong effect.

Originally Posted by nick1091

I don't see what the issue is with that. Children are not born with absolute knowledge of what is good and what is bad, they are sponges who absorb the standards of their environment.

And those children are taught religion of which parents themselves understand little or close to that, let alone the fact that the whole thing is far from any science.

Originally Posted by nick1091

I should say that I'm am not a religious zealot, but I'm not anti-religion either.

Me neither. I just think that kids who understand nothing of religion shouldn't be indoctrinated. It is more of a matter of faith and that choice perhaps should be made by a grown up person, not put in his head.

[juha]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

I think everyone can agree that they are all evils of the world, that we need to get rid of or at least decrease as much as possible. I find pornography to be something that quite frankly is very immoral. Let's watch adults get paid to have sex with each other and then self gratify ourselves. There's nothing pleasurable about that to me, I'm getting married in a few months, I don't even know the last time I had to go that road to uh, take care of some things down below. I'm not trying to judge anyone who chooses to view pornography, I'm just trying to explain how I see things. I don't think it's something we need, we'd be better off without it.

Immoral is killing others. Immoral is stealing. Lying. Immoral is racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc.

There is nothing immoral about sex between consenting adults. You need your head examined. Next time you see an action film and you feel "entertained" thats EXACTLY when you know you are "Immoral".

J.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by juha

Immoral is killing others. Immoral is stealing. Lying. Immoral is racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc.

There is nothing immoral about sex between consenting adults. You need your head examined. Next time you see an action film and you feel "entertained" thats EXACTLY when you know you are "Immoral".

J.

Thanks for the insult, sayings things like that go against just about every rule of this forum. If you reply again in this thread, please be more respectful in your response. I find it very immoral to watch two strangers have sex with each other for money for the sole purpose of entertaining other people. That is enormously immoral in my eyes. There is no love between the two, there are no feelings between the individuals. It is not right. That is not what sex is about, it's a very intimate thing.

[katharsis]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

Thanks for the insult, sayings things like that go against just about every rule of this forum. If you reply again in this thread, please be more respectful in your response. I find it very immoral to watch two strangers have sex with each other for money for the sole purpose of entertaining other people. That is enormously immoral in my eyes. There is no love between the two, there are no feelings between the individuals. It is not right. That is not what sex is about, it's a very intimate thing.

You are contradicting yourself. - "That is not what sex is about..."
That is exactly what sex is about!

Having sex is a physical act with physical reactions but making love is beyond the realm of physical contact and the feelings involved could never be captured on film.

Now that makes "having sex" and "making love" something completely different.

Who would watch a porn if this would include the act of love making?
Making out, foreplay, yadda yadda, sex, hugging, kissing yadda yadda...

I am sure if the big adult companies would be selling movies like that exclusively they would not be making the billions of dollars they are now.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by katharsis

You are contradicting yourself. - "That is not what sex is about..."
That is exactly what sex is about!

Having sex is a physical act with physical reactions but making love is beyond the realm of physical contact and the feelings involved could never be captured on film.

Now that makes "having sex" and "making love" something completely different.

Who would watch a porn if this would include the act of love making?
Making out, foreplay, yadda yadda, sex, hugging, kissing yadda yadda...

I am sure if the big adult companies would be selling movies like that exclusively they would not be making the billions of dollars they are now.

Making love and having sex are one and the same. You shouldn't be having sex with someone, if you don't love them. Does it happen? Of course, but it shouldn't.

[stockstar1138]

how about we let the taxpayers keep as much of THEIR money as they can. If Larry Flynt and Joe Francis go under, its no big loss.

Shame how many people those two (and the entire indsutry) employee. Maybe they should go get a real job.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

Making love and having sex are one and the same. You shouldn't be having sex with someone, if you don't love them. Does it happen? Of course, but it shouldn't.

im really confused, what is this sex thing everybody is talking bout.

[My_Two_Cents]

I think it's time to close this thread, as some can't seem to keep their anti-religion comments to themselves and half the posts are in violation of the forum rules.