Police Officer with no heart!

[Another_Dude]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Doing something that can result in deadly force at increased speeds could deem dangerous to his safety.

I'm tired of talking about this.

Next time you are pulled over, when the cop comes to your window, quickly reach for the glove department and see what happens.

Mike, why is there the need to make up situations or scenarios (reaching into glovebox) to further your point? That's such a day one academy tactic.

We know a car went through a red light and pulled up at a hospital. A younger woman and an elderly woman rushed into the hospital. The driver and an elderly man stayed with the car and talked to the officer. The officer's life was not in danger at this point, although toying with people during a family death is a possible way to put your life in danger.

Nobody went to the glovebox, made a move towards the officer, or did anything that a reasonable person would find threatening.

If you can't discuss the actual facts of this stop and must go into "what if's" then this probably isn't the discussion for you.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Another_Dude

Mike, why is there the need to make up situations or scenarios (reaching into glovebox) to further your point? That's such a day one academy tactic.

We know a car went through a red light and pulled up at a hospital. A younger woman and an elderly woman rushed into the hospital. The driver and an elderly man stayed with the car and talked to the officer. The officer's life was not in danger at this point, although toying with people during a family death is a possible way to put your life in danger.

Nobody went to the glovebox, made a move towards the officer, or did anything that a reasonable person would find threatening.

If you can't discuss the actual facts of this stop and must go into "what if's" then this probably isn't the discussion for you.

You don't consider multiple people getting out of a vehicle at once threatening?

[ludawg23]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

You don't consider multiple people getting out of a vehicle at once threatening?

Running towards the hospital...not the cop.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by ludawg23

Running towards the hospital...not the cop.

Watch the video again. They approach the cop at first.

[Beefbowl]

I'd be curious if it was a pregnant woman in the car was giving labor or somebody with a serious injury, would the cop just stood there and kept writing the ticket?

I can understand what the cop did before he knew what was going on but I can't justify what he did after knowing the facts.

This says it the best

"When people are in distress, we should come to the rescue," said Simpson. "We shouldn't further their distress."

[ludawg23]

He'll have plenty of time to think about it...he's been re-assigned to dispatch duty pending investigation.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by ludawg23

He'll have plenty of time to think about it...he's been re-assigned to dispatch duty pending investigation.

I decided to rewatched the video as well.

I think that the cop was justified up until approx the 5 minute mark. After that time he clearly had all the facts and the person he pulled over understood what he did was wrong.

[Ashamed Pegasus]

Did you guys who said this cop should be fired actually watch the video?... Did you see how fast the cop was driving just to catch up to Moats?... And how any stop signs he ran while the cop was behind him and never pulled over?... How many lives do you think he put in danger by driving that way to the hospital... I've seen people driving 90 MPH on the shoulder passing cars trying to do the same thing Moats was doing... Do you want to be behind someone driving like that?...

Driving like a maniac to the hospital to see someone before they die is no excuse for putting the lives of innocent people at risk...

[Another_Dude]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

You don't consider multiple people getting out of a vehicle at once threatening?

Well, I'm not the biggest SOB on the block but when two women get out of a car and one of them is elderly I can usually keep from wetting myself. Now give me a batman belt with a tazer, OC, cuffs, Surefire, knife and a gun, some body armor, and a couple of years of cop training and I'd have to rate the level of that threat as somewhere between a feather pillow and a 10 mph wind. YMMV.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Another_Dude

Well, I'm not the biggest SOB on the block but when two women get out of a car and one of them is elderly I can usually keep from wetting myself. Now give me a batman belt with a tazer, OC, cuffs, Surefire, knife and a gun, some body armor, and a couple of years of cop training and I'd have to rate the level of that threat as somewhere between a feather pillow and a 10 mph wind. YMMV.

2 women plus 2 men as well. You have watched the video, right?

[ludawg23]

Originally Posted by Another_Dude

Well, I'm not the biggest SOB on the block but when two women get out of a car and one of them is elderly I can usually keep from wetting myself. Now give me a batman belt with a tazer, OC, cuffs, Surefire, knife and a gun, some body armor, and a couple of years of cop training and I'd have to rate the level of that threat as somewhere between a feather pillow and a 10 mph wind. YMMV.

lmao

[DeeChizzle]

After watching the video numerous times there are IMO three moments that made this situation uglier than it should've been.

1. Moats made no attempt to pull over. Based on the video he seemed to have already made the decision that he was not stopping until he made it to the hospital.

2. The first women walks out of the vehicle and towards the hospital ignoring the fact that an officer just pulled them over.

3. The officer asks for Moat's driver's license once and then twice in which Moat's replies, "We're really going to go through this right now".

From there it just all goes downhill. Moats should've at the minimum given the officer his license without argument. The officer is justified in asking for some sort of identification.

Just to clarify I do agree that the officer was purposely prolonging the situation but Moat's and the passengers in his vehicle contributed to this mess as well.

[Another_Dude]

Originally Posted by Ashamed Pegasus

Did you guys who said this cop should be fired actually watch the video?... Did you see how fast the cop was driving just to catch up to Moats?... And how any stop signs he ran while the cop was behind him and never pulled over?... How many lives do you think he put in danger by driving that way to the hospital... I've seen people driving 90 MPH on the shoulder passing cars trying to do the same thing Moats was doing... Do you want to be behind someone driving like that?...

Driving like a maniac to the hospital to see someone before they die is no excuse for putting the lives of innocent people at risk...

You are correct, and I don't think anyone (including Moats) said that he didn't deserve the ticket. He earned it, and even asked for it. Had the cop just done his job we'd all be talking about movies right now.

It is the unprofessional and immature actions of the cop after:

1. The car was stopped.
2. Moats admitted guilt.
3. The hospital staff (and another officer) confirmed Moat's story.
4. Moats asked for the ticket just to end the traffic stop.

that makes this typical story the discussion that it is. Both parties involved did something wrong, one side admitted it at the time.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Ashamed Pegasus

Did you guys who said this cop should be fired actually watch the video?... Did you see how fast the cop was driving just to catch up to Moats?... And how any stop signs he ran while the cop was behind him and never pulled over?... How many lives do you think he put in danger by driving that way to the hospital... I've seen people driving 90 MPH on the shoulder passing cars trying to do the same thing Moats was doing... Do you want to be behind someone driving like that?...

Driving like a maniac to the hospital to see someone before they die is no excuse for putting the lives of innocent people at risk...

Once again -- no one disputes that Moats drove like an idiot and deserved a ticket.

But, with the attitude and threats, the cop contributed to making it a whole lot worse.

[brettallica]

Originally Posted by Another_Dude

Well, I'm not the biggest SOB on the block but when two women get out of a car and one of them is elderly I can usually keep from wetting myself. Now give me a batman belt with a tazer, OC, cuffs, Surefire, knife and a gun, some body armor, and a couple of years of cop training and I'd have to rate the level of that threat as somewhere between a feather pillow and a 10 mph wind. YMMV.

Threats do come in all shapes and sizes, though. If you watched last night's Lost, you'd know what I mean.

[DeeChizzle]

Originally Posted by Another_Dude

Well, I'm not the biggest SOB on the block but when two women get out of a car and one of them is elderly I can usually keep from wetting myself. Now give me a batman belt with a tazer, OC, cuffs, Surefire, knife and a gun, some body armor, and a couple of years of cop training and I'd have to rate the level of that threat as somewhere between a feather pillow and a 10 mph wind. YMMV.

I think it's been established that the two women weren't a threat to the officer. I'm sure if they were a threat the cop would not have just let them leave the scene of a traffic stop and into the hospital?

I think he realized their story was probably true so he made the decision to let them go into the hospital as long as Moats remained on scene until he could verify the situation. At that point he asks Moats for his license and then Moats becomes aggravated and like I said from a previous post, that's when everything goes downhill.

[MLK]

Originally Posted by ludawg23

NYC is a prime example, they will hire anyone. NYC cops are some of the most useless cops in the US.

Yes, i agree with this. I was in a car that broke down on one of the highway ramps over in NYC and i saw a police car on the side of the road. i went over to see if they could give us a hand with the car, and they were both sleeping, LOL. I knocked on the window and they were both startled, but when they were awake, they did help us by pushing us to a nearby gas station. They were as competent as tow truck drivers, no offense to tow truck drivers...

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by MLK

Yes, i agree with this. I was in a car that broke down on one of the highway ramps over in NYC and i saw a police car on the side of the road. i went over to see if they could give us a hand with the car, and they were both sleeping, LOL. I knocked on the window and they were both startled, but when they were awake, they did help us by pushing us to a nearby gas station. They were as competent as tow truck drivers, no offense to tow truck drivers...

I actually take a little offense to that as a lot of tow truck drivers that I've met were very competent at their job.

[Batman1980]

Sounds to me like Moats messed up and then wasn't exactly cooperative once pulled over so it's kind of understandable that the officer may have wanted to be a little stricter than usual while drawing up the ticket. Both sides were wrong in this instance and hopefully both will realize that sooner than later.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by ludawg23

Ok so let's just create situations now that doesn't pertain to the actually story.

Did the woman reach into the glove box...or reach into her purse and act in a agressive manner towards him? Was she deemed dangerous to his safety? Please...

No but you should ALWAYS follow the police's instructions for your safety and theirs. This is how people end up getting shot by the police. Everyday they put their life on the line for everyone else's safety.