Fantasia / Fantasia 2000 (1940-1999) (Special Edition)

[michaeljoo]

Hopefully this is a quick question and not a revival of a recurring debate:

Will I lose any content if I sell my copy of the 60th Anniversary edition of Fantasia compared to what will be on the new Fantasia/Fantasia 2K release coming in November?

I would normally read the entire thread to see if the info is already here, and I tried looking through part of the thread (the first 5 or so pages and the last 5 or so pages) but don't have time to read all 42 pages right now - I just listed my 60th Anniversary edition on craigslist and someone contacted me right after I posted expressing interest, so I need a quick answer.

From what I could gather in my quick scan, there seems to be 30 sec of censored footage, and also a different recording of the score from 1982 in question.

Would I lose any content selling my 60th Anniversary copy and picking up the new F/F2K release in November?

The audio commentaries and the interviews with Walt Disney seem to be there, but I didn't see any mention of the "The Making of Fantasia" featurette.

I also tried searching for "60th Anniversary" in this thread but only came up with some references to potential differences in content in the 60th Anniversary edition of Dumbo, not Fantasia.

Well, here's hoping for a simple yes/no answer.

Thanks in advance.

[whbinder]

A quick answer to your quick question (although there's plenty of minutea I'm leaving out)

The 1982 soundtrack and 30 seconds of edited footage you're referring to are the same on the 60th Ann. DVD and the Blu-ray, so nothing is gained or lost there.

As to the supplements. Almost all of the supplements have been removed from the Blu-ray, but will be available from BD-Live. So you will be able to access most of the old featurettes, via streaming or download. If you want to have them on a disc. I'd hold onto the DVDs.

As to hyper-specifics. Disney hasn't released a complete list of extras that will be available via BD-Live, so some of the featurettes may not make the cut. We don't know that part yet.

[michaeljoo]

Originally Posted by whbinder

A quick answer to your quick question (although there's plenty of minutea I'm leaving out)

The 1982 soundtrack and 30 seconds of edited footage you're referring to are the same on the 60th Ann. DVD and the Blu-ray, so nothing is gained or lost there.

As to the supplements. Almost all of the supplements have been removed from the Blu-ray, but will be available from BD-Live. So you will be able to access most of the old featurettes, via streaming or download. If you want to have them on a disc. I'd hold onto the DVDs.

As to hyper-specifics. Disney hasn't released a complete list of extras that will be available via BD-Live, so some of the featurettes may not make the cut. We don't know that part yet.

Thanks for the reply, whbinder!

That's exactly the type of info I was looking for.

It turns out that I had to go meet the person before I could read your response, so I went ahead and sold it.

The 60th Anniversary edition had only 3 features, an audio commentary, an interview, and "The Making of Fantasia" featurette.

Based on:
http://www.dvdizzy.com/fantasia-fant...ease-1130.html

it seems like the coming F/F2K will have the audio commentary and the interview but I didn't see anything about the "The Making of Fantasia" featurette.

Based on your response, it looks like the Making of Fantasia featurette will be on BD-Live, if at all. Well, if I had known, I may have held onto my 60th Anniversary edition, at least until finding out what the fate of the rest of the features were.

At least there is no loss in terms of the actual movie, but I guess no gain either (i.e. edited 30 sec or 1982 soundtrack). Well, I never saw any other version than the one on the 60th Anniv. ed so I won't miss the differences. And in the end if I really miss the missing feature I guess I can just buy a used copy of the 60th Anniversary edition again, presumably when the prices drop after the new release comes out. However, my guess is that when we get the new release I'll probably forget about any missing features anyway.

We've watched the original Fantasia a number of times and love it. We've never seen the 2000 version, so I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Thanks again for your response!

[Hatter]

Living in quebec, there's always a billingual packaging available. However oddly enough this time, the billingual packaging actually looks better.

Billingual:

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/imag...n=917972&s=dvd

Regular:

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/imag...n=917972&s=dvd

The billingual may repeat all information twice, but the artwork looks better since it's consistent instead of two different artworks stuck together. Granted that's to show there's two different movies but it doesn't make for better overall artwork.

[Geologist]

Anyone know what the aspect ratio will be for Fantasia? I believe the original was 4:3 but there was a release in the 50's of 2:1. The film was also released on 35mm and 70mm prints. I think. I placed the pre-order for the Fantasia 2 pack (in my gold box for an extra $1.30 discount PLUS Sorcerer's Apprentice with the extra $10 discount. That makes 3 Disney flicks for about $15. Still on the fence about this purchase but I have a few weeks to decide...

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Geologist

Thanks for the link - I had been to the site before but missed the part about "Disney View".

Oh, whew --Was just about to ask whether this one had the 4:3 "borders" again.
(Just rewatched, and the ones on Pinocchio and Snow White were amazing.)

[Geologist]

Are the Disney View borders static? animated? Do they change? Just curious.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

The ones on Snow White changed depending on what was on-screen. If it was inside the castle, they were stone-colored columns; in the forest, they were trees, etc.
I stopped even noticing them after awhile.

They blend in so camouflage-seamlessly that at the beginning of Pinocchio, as Jiminy "hops" toward Gepetto's window, we see black borders gradually brightening into wood-carved borders as he gets closer.

What we can expect in Fantasia (forests for Pastorale, stone for Sorcerer's Apprentice, more trees for Ave Maria), I won't even spoil myself by imagining.

(And just to get back to a question from last month: )

Originally Posted by shadylpete

I've never seen Fantasia, but I've heard a lot about it. What is it exactly? Short stories put together?

The short answer, it was the movie parodied in "A Corny Concerto":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cwtK4bnhDM
(And it's rather unnerving just how much Elmer Fudd resembles Deems Taylor, and vice versa....(shirt-front flips up) Hahahaha.)

[whbinder]

Originally Posted by EricJ

They blend in so camouflage-seamlessly that at the beginning of Pinocchio, as Jiminy "hops" toward Gepetto's window, we see black borders gradually brightening into wood-carved borders as he gets closer.

Actually, I'll just barely disagree with you. For the most part Pinocchio's borders were subtle and seamless. But a couple of shots were really wild and I noticed them enough to snap me out of the film for a second.

Personally, I like just black sides as I watch in a darkened room, but I think the painted borders are an elegant solution for those who don't.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Yeah, I agree that they're a classy way to solve the "omg black borders" issue without resorting to cropping the image.

Seriously, it helped change the industry--
Warner had to release their 4:3's with black borders because they'd already done the masters for HD-DVD and SD...
But this was Disney doing their first Blu's, and one of the main reasons we got Sleeping Beauty first was that the entire 2007 Blu industry literally didn't know whether audiences WANTED to watch movies that weren't widescreen.
(The term "Tilt-'n-Scan" had already been coined, expecting most studios to make cropping the new standard.)

The Pinocchio borders were meant to be an apologetic "crutch" to widescreen owners, but by the time we got the Snow White borders, we thought nothing of watching 4:3 classics, and it was purely ornamental.
A good many classics' bacon were saved by Jiminy Cricket.

[tomrule123]

Originally Posted by EricJ

The Pinocchio borders were meant to be an apologetic "crutch" to widescreen owners, but by the time we got the Snow White borders, we thought nothing of watching 4:3 classics, and it was purely ornamental.
A good many classics' bacon were saved by Jiminy Cricket.

Now, I know this sounds strange, but shouldn't Disney be doing this for the cinemascope films? Remember: the cinemascope films have black borders too, and people expect the picture to fill up their television screen. ...yet again, they're probably more distracting than the 4:3 disney-view versions. Just saying.

[miniroll32]

How did you manage to see the back of those covers?

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by tomrule123

Now, I know this sounds strange, but shouldn't Disney be doing this for the cinemascope films? Remember: the cinemascope films have black borders too, and people expect the picture to fill up their television screen. ...yet again, they're probably more distracting than the 4:3 disney-view versions. Just saying.

No, because apparently people can deal with horizontal bars, but not vertical bars. I don't think Disney should be doing it either way, I hoped we would be past the aspect ratio discussion by now.

[miniroll32]

Heres the back for those that want to see;

[PowellPressburger]

So Guessing from the back cover of this release. There isn't anything to be gained from importing the title. (Meaning the BD Live Special Features in the US, as opposed to possible on DISC bonus' in other countries)

Is that a correct assumption?

[WJWS Channel 13:Amity]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Well I'm glad it got pushed back (please don't kill me). I really didn't want to have to spend $45+ on blu-rays this month. This spreads things out quite nicely.

Haha Many of us spent 45 bucks plus on blurays this past tuesday alone lol

[miniroll32]

Tesco now has Fantasia up, though with what I call the 'nice' artwork;

http://www.tescoentertainment.com/st...ay/8%3a730768/

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by EricJ

The Pinocchio borders were meant to be an apologetic "crutch" to widescreen owners, but by the time we got the Snow White borders, we thought nothing of watching 4:3 classics, and it was purely ornamental.
A good many classics' bacon were saved by Jiminy Cricket.

Originally Posted by tomrule123

Now, I know this sounds strange, but shouldn't Disney be doing this for the cinemascope films? Remember: the cinemascope films have black borders too, and people expect the picture to fill up their television screen. ...yet again, they're probably more distracting than the 4:3 disney-view versions. Just saying.

Well, that's just it--Studios in '06-'07 believed people would be saying "A square movie?...Eww, that is so old! That's what my parents used to watch on their TV's! Why does it just not, like, die?" if there were 4:3 borders.
Go ahead, laugh; studio execs were soiling their diapers over it, putting the question off indefinitely, and releasing no movie that was not at least 1.78:1.
(Not to mention fears of sidebar plasma-burn, back when there were such things as plasma TV. )

It wasn't about "filling the screen", it was about removing the distraction that might've made people think that movies made before 1954 didn't "deserve" to be on new TV's, a question on which Disney's corporate income depended rather heavily.
And for that, Conscience First Class, we salute you, ironically in your appointed duty.

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by miniroll32

I know... How did I even get on to LEGO? The relation is however, despite the small changes, the upcoming Fantasia release is still going to be the exact same product thats been viewed for years, and as such, is still entirely consumable and leaves me very much confused as to why there is so much annoyance with a group of cuts lasting less than 30 seconds. If you can't enjoy a film because of such a principle, then its obvious one doesn't appreciate the product itself.

Had Disney of allowed the black Centurettes to be released in the 1991 and 2000 DVD's, only to then suddenly cut it from this 2010 release, then I would indeed ask serious questions. But since this cut has been made since '69, I can't see the big deal. Even my dad who went to see the '69 release on a school trip suggested that such content would be objectionable back then. I showed him the clips of the restored footage too, and he reckoned its as close as he can remember it, so thats pretty cool

Yep. It'll be a great upgrade from my year 2000 DVD. I just hope I get an ironpak preorder at best buy with it.

[Jimbo976]

I think I only have these on VHS - really looking forward to the Blu-ray versions.