Predator 3D Blu-ray (1987) [Region Locked]

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

This is the Predator comparison I like the best. Look at the ridges on the pump on Billy's shotgun: now you see them (original BD), now you don't (UHE).

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=0#vergleich

Lol that's the magic of DNR right there.

It's not a bad as the 3rd cap though. The helicopter's back rotor blades have been partially removed.

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=1#vergleich

[Lemmy Lugosi]

For every bad shot that gets pulled out, there are several as good as this one:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=0#vergleich

...it's really nowhere near the earth-ending travesty some would have you believe it is.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

For every bad shot that gets pulled out, there are several as good as this one:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=0#vergleich

...it's really nowhere near the earth-ending travesty some would have you believe it is.

Are you joking? I would have the grainy first release (which I actually own), over that waxy POS UHE.

[tylergfoster]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

Are you joking? I would have the grainy first release (which I actually own), over that waxy POS UHE.

Yeah, that Bill Duke shot is easily one of the ones that makes me cringe the most. Film isn't meant to look like an oil painting.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

For every bad shot that gets pulled out, there are several as good as this one:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=0#vergleich

...it's really nowhere near the earth-ending travesty some would have you believe it is.

You call that good

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

For every bad shot that gets pulled out, there are several as good as this one:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=0#vergleich

...it's really nowhere near the earth-ending travesty some would have you believe it is.

Actually, it is.

[tama]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

For every bad shot that gets pulled out, there are several as good as this one:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=0#vergleich

...it's really nowhere near the earth-ending travesty some would have you believe it is.

Sorry but that image is bad. My Opinion.

[besi]

I own both version and both looks like crap,overall the original release is better but some shots in the UHE ed. Are much better than in the original.
I preordered the 3D head edition and I just hope this time they nailed it.

No more War of the Ants and Madam Tussauds edition !!

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=0#vergleich

[Cactus]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

For every bad shot that gets pulled out, there are several as good as this one:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=0#vergleich

...it's really nowhere near the earth-ending travesty some would have you believe it is.

Nicely trolled, nicely trolled.

[raygendreau]

Schawn Belston's name came up a few pages back. I have read several interesting articles quoting him today. I'm convinced that both the 2008 and 2010 Predator releases came from the same 4K scan, although that is not specifically stated in the linked article. one of the more interesting excerpts:

*Schawn believes that objective criteria about color, contrast, and other properties need to be balanced with concern for the audience’s experience. By today’s standards, original copies of Gone with the Wind and The Gang’s All Here look surprisingly muted. But to audiences of the time, they probably looked splashy, because viewers saw so few color movies. Restorers and modern viewers have to recognize that perception of a film’s look is comparative, and the terms of the comparison can change."

http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/20...d-city-movies/

So, it is plausible that studios will update the look of catalogue properties to appeal to contemporary audiences. Just as Fox did with Predator UHE.

[Lemmy Lugosi]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Schawn Belston's name came up a few pages back. I have read several interesting articles quoting him today. I'm convinced that both the 2008 and 2010 Predator releases came from the same 4K scan, although that is not specifically stated in the linked article. one of the more interesting excerpts:

*Schawn believes that objective criteria about color, contrast, and other properties need to be balanced with concern for the audience’s experience. By today’s standards, original copies of Gone with the Wind and The Gang’s All Here look surprisingly muted. But to audiences of the time, they probably looked splashy, because viewers saw so few color movies. Restorers and modern viewers have to recognize that perception of a film’s look is comparative, and the terms of the comparison can change."

http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/20...d-city-movies/

So, it is plausible that studios will update the look of catalogue properties to appeal to contemporary audiences. Just as Fox did with Predator UHE.

Wow! I had no idea my tastes were so "cutting edge".

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

For every bad shot that gets pulled out, there are several as good as this one:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=0#vergleich

...it's really nowhere near the earth-ending travesty some would have you believe it is.

I'm sorry but that shot looks terrible, there's no fine detail to speak of. It's a smeary mess.

The transfer is nothing but a travesty.

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Schawn Belston's name came up a few pages back. I have read several interesting articles quoting him today. I'm convinced that both the 2008 and 2010 Predator releases came from the same 4K scan, although that is not specifically stated in the linked article. one of the more interesting excerpts:

*Schawn believes that objective criteria about color, contrast, and other properties need to be balanced with concern for the audience’s experience. By today’s standards, original copies of Gone with the Wind and The Gang’s All Here look surprisingly muted. But to audiences of the time, they probably looked splashy, because viewers saw so few color movies. Restorers and modern viewers have to recognize that perception of a film’s look is comparative, and the terms of the comparison can change."

http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/20...d-city-movies/

So, it is plausible that studios will update the look of catalogue properties to appeal to contemporary audiences. Just as Fox did with Predator UHE.

I highly doubt that the two current Blus are from a 4K scan.

And again what's with the major defending of the UHE?

Are you sure you didn't work on it and I say that in the nicest possible way.

Fox stopped the practice of DNR'ing their catalog transfers a long time ago. I think the UHE was the nail in the coffin.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

I highly doubt that the two current Blus are from a 4K scan.

And again what's with the major defending of the UHE?

Are you sure you didn't work on it and I say that in the nicest possible way.

Fox stopped the practice of DNR'ing their catalog transfers a long time ago. I think the UHE was the nail in the coffin.

This statement attributed to Belston in the linked article indicates making a 4K scan is common practice for the Fox archives and has been for several years:

*Most classic films in a studio library are not available on DCP. If an archive or cinematheque or theatre wants one, there are ways to make on-demand DCPs. But it’s not cheap. A 2K scan runs $40,000; a 4K scan, somewhat more. Schawn opts for 4K because a digital version should be the best possible. It might be the last chance to make one!"

Show me some proof that Fox has stopped using DNR on their catalogue transfers. I've already told you that the criticism of the UHE was officially rejected by Fox and that their choices during the mastering process have been validated by sales.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

This statement attributed to Belston in the linked article indicates making a 4K scan is common practice for the Fox archives and has been for several years:

*Most classic films in a studio library are not available on DCP. If an archive or cinematheque or theatre wants one, there are ways to make on-demand DCPs. But it’s not cheap. A 2K scan runs $40,000; a 4K scan, somewhat more. Schawn opts for 4K because a digital version should be the best possible. It might be the last chance to make one!"

Show me some proof that Fox has stopped using DNR on their catalogue transfers. I've already told you that the criticism of the UHE was officially rejected by Fox and that their choices during the mastering process have been validated by sales.

The simple fact that the scan that was used for both transfers is an old, ageing print which was probably created before studios starting doing 4K scans.

There's loads of proof that Fox have stooped DNR'ing their catalog titles. Can you honestly tell me what catalog release they've done since the UHE that have been filtered?

Also the fact that Fox went back and fixed one of their biggest DNR disasters (Patton) is another indication that they've realised that it does nothing but damage the image.

[tylergfoster]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

The simple fact that the scan that was used for both transfers is an old, ageing print which was probably created before studios starting doing 4K scans.

There's loads of proof that Fox have stooped DNR'ing their catalog titles. Can you honestly tell me what catalog release they've done since the UHE that have been filtered?

Also the fact that Fox went back and fixed one of their biggest DNR disasters (Patton) is another indication that they've realised that it does nothing but damage the image.

Unless he reads a quote from someone who works at Fox, the last quote from someone who works at Fox overrides any and all evidence provided to the contrary in execution over the past several years, and the fact that the disc sold well only means his assumptions are unquestionable.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by tylergfoster

Unless he reads a quote from someone who works at Fox, the last quote from someone who works at Fox overrides any and all evidence provided to the contrary in execution over the past several years, and the fact that the disc sold well only means his assumptions are unquestionable.

This thread is going to explode into mass frenzy when this release finally comes out even if the remastering is done properly. It always happens lol.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Show me some proof that Fox has stopped using DNR on their catalogue transfers. I've already told you that the criticism of the UHE was officially rejected by Fox and that their choices during the mastering process have been validated by sales.

Raising Arizona, Porky's, Patton remastered, Wall Street remastered, etc. I am sure there are others.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Raising Arizona, Porky's, Patton remastered, Wall Street remastered, etc. I am sure there are others.

I think that proves my point lol.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

So, it is plausible that studios will update the look of catalogue properties to appeal to contemporary audiences. Just as Fox did with Predator UHE.

This was speculation and perhaps more of an issue several years back. The format is rather mature at this point anyway.

This is not an issue any longer with Fox, Sony, and Warner generally speaking.

Crap is still coming out from Paramount and Universal, but those are older 1080p scans done years ago. The rare new transfers on catalogs they have performed have looked good such as the classic monster movies and Breakfast at Tiffany's, etc.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

For every bad shot that gets pulled out, there are several as good as this one:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=0#vergleich

...it's really nowhere near the earth-ending travesty some would have you believe it is.

Poor old Bill Duke looks like he's made of pudding in the UHE.