Captain America: Civil War (2016)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

The sound mix of this movie is pretty baffling. I noticed in my first screening in theaters that dialogue seemed crazy low compared to the action, and I walked out of a laser IMAX presentation of the movie because the audio was low enough that my brother could whisper things to me with more clarity than the movie. I got my hands on the BD this week and it had the same problem; moments like Cap's talk with Wanda in her room are mixed so low that I can barely pay attention to what's being said. It's a weird creative choice to do something like this in a climate where a major reason people won't go to the movies is because audiences are talkative or disruptive; you'd think they'd at least mix the dialogue to a proportionate level where it'd out compete the volume of a person's voice in an auditorium.

I've sat through several *painful* IMAX "experiences" because the volume is too damn loud. Loud as in pushed to distortion levels. I like dynamic presentations but turning the volume knob to "11" and calling it a day is ridiculous.

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I've sat through several *painful* IMAX "experiences" because the volume is too damn loud. Loud as in pushed to distortion levels. I like dynamic presentations but turning the volume knob to "11" and calling it a day is ridiculous.

Your not hearing distortion. It is very loud though. I sometimes use concert ear plugs.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Thanks for those Pieter! I see that the IMAX version is also cropped slightly compared to the same shot in the fixed 2.40 version (this is separate from the floating windows), we saw the same thing happen with the Blu-ray of Interstellar. I'm presuming it's because they're taking the 1.90 IMAX digital master and simply cropping it.

Interestingly enough (well, interesting to nerds like me), the clips of the IMAX scene in the special features do indeed appear to be 1.90. You can also spot the Alexa 65 shots in the gag reel because the AR changes from 2.40 to 2.20 (the A65's native AR).

Why don't they shoot any if the Marvel movies in native 4K? It seems as if the studios are only permitted to shoot with 2D/3D cameras only

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[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why don't they shoot any if the Marvel movies in native 4K? It seems as if the studios are only permitted to shoot with 2D/3D cameras only

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[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why don't they shoot any if the Marvel movies in native 4K? It seems as if the studios are only permitted to shoot with 2D/3D cameras only

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Most movies are shot with the ARRI Alexa these days (which has a 3.4K Open Gate mode, but must use the 2.8K 1.33 sensor area when shooting with traditional 2x anamorphics as on Civil War), it's not just a Marvel thing and picture quality isn't always just about raw resolution.

Besides, there's you going on about 3D cameras all the time...you do realise that the dual-rig RED cameras used on Apocalypse were capturing at 6k each?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Most movies are shot with the ARRI Alexa these days (which has a 3.4K Open Gate mode, but must use the 2.8K 1.33 sensor area when shooting with traditional 2x anamorphics as on Civil War), it's not just a Marvel thing and picture quality isn't always just about raw resolution.

Besides, there's you going on about 3D cameras all the time...you do realise that the dual-rig RED cameras used on Apocalypse were capturing at 6k each?

No I did not know that. All I would like to find out iS some type of guideline to understand what the best bluray format is for any given movie, depending on how it was shot.
With some releases like Captain America obviously the choice is simple, but with others coming out in both 3D and 4K it gets more confusing

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

The sound mix of this movie is pretty baffling. I noticed in my first screening in theaters that dialogue seemed crazy low compared to the action, and I walked out of a laser IMAX presentation of the movie because the audio was low enough that my brother could whisper things to me with more clarity than the movie. I got my hands on the BD this week and it had the same problem; moments like Cap's talk with Wanda in her room are mixed so low that I can barely pay attention to what's being said. It's a weird creative choice to do something like this in a climate where a major reason people won't go to the movies is because audiences are talkative or disruptive; you'd think they'd at least mix the dialogue to a proportionate level where it'd out compete the volume of a person's voice in an auditorium.

It sounded fine in theaters and when I watched the digital HD. I'm not trying to be snarky, but I have to ask, are you positive it's not your own hearing? Aging and other issues can cause a person to lose the ability to hear certain ranges of sound and some pitches are imperceptible due to age and wear and tear on the ear.

And do you have Dynamic Range Compression turned on or off on your sound system?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Cook

It sounded fine in theaters and when I watched the digital HD. I'm not trying to be snarky, but I have to ask, are you positive it's not your own hearing? Aging and other issues can cause a person to lose the ability to hear certain ranges of sound and some pitches are imperceptible due to age and wear and tear on the ear.

And do you have Dynamic Range Compression turned on or off on your sound system?

I have a Denon receiver and I often encounter titles with low dialogue...Usually just raising center level by a few dbs will do the trick, or turn on Dynamic EQ/Dynamic Volume

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

No I did not know that. All I would like to find out iS some type of guideline to understand what the best bluray format is for any given movie, depending on how it was shot.
With some releases like Captain America obviously the choice is simple, but with others coming out in both 3D and 4K it gets more confusing

I don't think there's some hard and fast rule though. Hell, I've seen several 3D-converted movies that have far stronger 3D than ones with native stereo capture, so even that's not a cast-iron guarantee of greatness IMO.

At least the Sony 3D and 4K releases are coming in one bundle, so you can just buy it and then compare to your heart's content. At the end of the day it's still about how YOU respond to what you're seeing, and these 'real or fake 4K' websites are all well and good but all the tech specs in the world can't tell you what to feel or think when watching a movie.

I know that might be seen as hypocritical advice, coming from an utter camera tech nerd like myself, but you're just gonna have to evaluate such titles with your own eyes and take it from there.

[Indiana Jones]

So does the US release have the 'What Thor Was Doing During Civil War' feature that several sites said would be on the Blu-ray?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't think there's some hard and fast rule though. Hell, I've seen several 3D-converted movies that have far stronger 3D than ones with native stereo capture, so even that's not a cast-iron guarantee of greatness IMO.

At least the Sony 3D and 4K releases are coming in one bundle, so you can just buy it and then compare to your heart's content. At the end of the day it's still about how YOU respond to what you're seeing, and these 'real or fake 4K' websites are all well and good but all the tech specs in the world can't tell you what to feel or think when watching a movie.

I know that might be seen as hypocritical advice, coming from an utter camera tech nerd like myself, but you're just gonna have to evaluate such titles with your own eyes and take it from there.

I have X-Men: DOFP in 4K/HDR and if I didnt know any better I'd think the whole thing was shot in native 4K. I have never seen the 3D version of it, but being a 3D fan, and owning a 4K/3D Oled TV, I am not sure which way to go with upcoming releases available in both formats

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jones

So does the US release have the 'What Thor Was Doing During Civil War' feature that several sites said would be on the Blu-ray?

No, not unless it's an Easter Egg.

United We Stand, Divided We Fall -- The Making of Captain America: Civil War (1080p): A two part feature. Part 1 (22:25) features cast and crew looking back at the story's comic book origins and discussing the story's thematic depth and relevance, the large assortment of characters featured in the film, the directors' contributions, the casts' abilities to perform complex stunt work, making various scenes, character relationships and development in the film, shooting locations, key props, Ant-Man's role in the film, choosing which characters would side with which faction, and General Ross' part in the movie. Part 2 (23:18) begins with a discussion of Vision's role in the film and Paul Bettany's performance, the part Black Panther plays in the movie and Chadwick Boseman's work on the film, Tom Holland's performance and Spider-Man's part in the story, making the large-scale battle between the warring factions, the villain Zemo, a major revelation in the film, and more.

Captain America: The Road to Civil War (1080p, 4:11): A more detailed look at Cap's role in the fracture and Chris Evans' performance of the iconic Avenger.

Iron Man: The Road to Civil War (1080p, 4:27): Like the previous supplement, a closer look at Tony Stark, what influenced him to take his position in this film, and his relationship with Captain America.

Open Your Mind: Marvel's Doctor Strange -- Exclusive Sneak Peek (1080p, 4:02): A quick look into the next Marvel film, with concept art, clips from the movie, and cast and crew interview snippets.

Deleted & Extended Scenes (1080p): Extended Peggy's Funeral (5:57), Zemo Meets Doctor Broussard (0:33), "You Are Not Used to the Truth" (0:52), and "Gotta Get Me One of Those" (0:29).

Gag Reel (1080p, 2:53).

Audio Commentary: Directors Anthony & Joe Russo and Writers Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely deliver a sometimes light, but usually enlightening and informative track that covers plot, film construction, story arcs, performances, character dynamics, and more. It's a good, balanced track, peppered with a few short gaps but a capable informer that hardcore Marvel fans should find worthwhile.

[Pieter V]

Seems like the PQ suffers from ghosting and frame rate issues:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/conten...fects-problems

[NzYme]

The way the review describes the audio track seems eerily similar to Avengers:AOU. Who the hell is mastering their audio over there now? Disney used to be really good...Now its a different story.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Seems like the PQ suffers from ghosting and frame rate issues:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/conten...fects-problems

I noticed the action moving a little quickly in the opening Crossbones sequence, but that's about it. Saw it in Laser IMAX 3D and the rest of the movie looked fine, I also didn't noticed anything digital about Black Widow in the funeral scene.

[120inna55]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I noticed the action moving a little quickly in the opening Crossbones sequence, but that's about it. Saw it in Laser IMAX 3D and the rest of the movie looked fine, I also didn't noticed anything digital about Black Widow in the funeral scene.

The frame rate thing is intentional, but it did seem much worse watching this from home. It's scene specific (chase/fight scene towards the beginning of the film). It made me nauseated. I'm ok with it. Some of the obvious CGI fight scenes did not seem to be to the level of recent Marvel films. I originally saw this in theaters in IMAX 3D. These dings aren't enough to make me dislike the film overall. I also don't think they're necessarily specific to the Blu-ray. I feel like the "flaws" are simply more evident at home.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by 120inna55

The frame rate thing is intentional, but it did seem much worse watching this from home. It's scene specific (chase/fight scene towards the beginning of the film). It made me nauseated. I'm ok with it. Some of the obvious CGI fight scenes did not seem to be to the level of recent Marvel films. I originally saw this in theaters in IMAX 3D. These dings aren't enough to make me dislike the film overall. I also don't think they're necessarily specific to the Blu-ray. I feel like the "flaws" are simply more evident at home.

Good to hear. I figured it was inherent to the source, but if it was an authoring issue with the Blu-ray, I'd be irritated.

[RockyIII]

The more revenue these studios produce, the lower quality they put out

[120inna55]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Good to hear. I figured it was inherent to the source...

Someone here, more learned than I, will hopefully chime in as to what the effect is, but it's often used to impart speed and action particularly where fight choreography is heavily stilted. The first time I saw it effectively used was the Omaha beach scene in Saving Private Ryan. It's not exactly the same, as I believe that was 35 mm. I think what we're seeing in Civil War is done digitally. Ultimately, the final result is an apparent drop in frame rate.

[RockyIII]

The first fight scene between Cap and Winter Soldier to me remains the best one to date, in terms of motion and audio