Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

I'm 32

Nearly there!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

I don't mind the reminiscing, but I'm in their demographics despite being in The Colonies. So I might be a little bias in my views Besides, this thread left the rails as soon as the staff decided to merge it, rename it and bury it in another forum. They should just change the title to The Future of Home Video Free for All Discussion-FKA: Physical or Digital Thread

This thread is EXACTLY where it should be. It’s discussing which future tech will prevail and how it will affect HT. 4K disc, 4K streaming, Blu-ray, Digital HD, Subscription, streaming boxes, optical disc hardware etc..
it was too biased in the digital section, it was you Digital fanboys versus a small group of disc fans. You had it your own way for far too long and now you folk don’t like it when things are levelling out. Even before the thread merger, more disc fans were joining. It’s easy to settle into a clique, now the boys are back in town!

I now expect gifs galore and denial, but what we essentially have here is school ground politics and you guys know it!


Oh and you guys could have been backon topic pages ago but you choose to ***** about my buddies and I.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

This thread is EXACTLY where it should be. It’s discussing which future tech will prevail and how it will affect HT. 4K disc, 4K streaming, Blu-ray, Digital HD, Subscription, streaming boxes, optical disc hardware etc..
it was too biased in the digital section, it was you Digital fanboys versus a small group of disc fans. You had it your own way for far too long and now you folk don’t like it when things are levelling out. Even before the thread merger, more disc fans were joining. It’s easy to settle into a clique, now the boys are back in town!

I now expect gifs galore and denial, but what we essentially have here is school ground politics and you guys know it!


Oh and you guys could have been backon topic pages ago but you choose to ***** about my buddies and I.

Is it about getting a reaction at this point for you? Because I really think you need to go back and refresh your memory by re-reading the thread. It has never been about physical or digital for most of us, but both.

[dublinbluray108]

There is a good blog write-up here about the history of the movie industry from Neil Leyden; Head of the RTÉ website in Ireland.

https://www.rte.ie/eile/2018/0411/95...ovie-industry/

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

There is a good blog write-up here about the history of the movie industry from Neil Leyden; Head of the RTÉ website in Ireland.

It's a good write-up, but they don't even touch on Lockers like iTunes, MA, or Vudu. Netflix is the big item, and I guess Steedeel must love this. I think what is being overlooked are the Streaming Providers that will replace Discs. We have established that Codec and Bitrate can easily match Disc, so now all that is left is Storage and Access to your Movie Collection. Cinema Movies are distributed on Hard Drives, why not put them on Servers for both Cinema and Home Theaters!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I think what is being overlooked are the Streaming Providers that will replace Discs. We have established that Codec and Bitrate can easily match Disc

Only in your fevered dreams will streaming providers "replace Discs". Only your delirium has established any equivalency between streaming and disc performance. Streaming can only hope to someday equal disc; the best it will ever do is to match what disc customers already enjoy now- provided you don't mind the ever increasing expense of a top tier internet service plan.

There will always be those who value quality utmost and these will buy their content on disc. Disc customers enjoy the best video, the best audio, the stability and reliability of unchanging content free from the vagaries of, and dependence upon, flaky internet service providers with their endless price hikes for their unreliable service. Disc aficionados do not need an umbilical cord to a remote server to enjoy their movies.

Bargain hunting, convenience obsessed, soundbar slummers can wallow in the streaming muck to their penny pinching delight. The connoisseurs will be enjoying their discs in state of the art quality with their dedicated multi-channel home theaters.

I've done my part to liven things up, so have at it!

[antennahead]

"Disc aficionados do not need an umbilical cord to a remote server to enjoy their movies."

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Only in your fevered dreams will streaming providers "replace Discs". Only your delirium has established any equivalency between streaming and disc performance. Streaming can only hope to someday equal disc; the best it will ever do is to match what disc customers already enjoy now- provided you don't mind the ever increasing expense of a top tier internet service plan.

There will always be those who value quality utmost and these will buy their content on disc. Disc customers enjoy the best video, the best audio, the stability and reliability of unchanging content free from the vagaries of, and dependence upon, flaky internet service providers with their endless price hikes for their unreliable service. Disc aficionados do not need an umbilical cord to a remote server to enjoy their movies.

Bargain hunting, convenience obsessed, soundbar slummers can wallow in the streaming muck to their penny pinching delight. The connoisseurs will be enjoying their discs in state of the art quality with their dedicated multi-channel home theaters.

I've done my part to liven things up, so have at it!

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It's a good write-up, but they don't even touch on Lockers like iTunes, MA, or Vudu. Netflix is the big item, and I guess Steedeel must love this. I think what is being overlooked are the Streaming Providers that will replace Discs. We have established that Codec and Bitrate can easily match Disc, so now all that is left is Storage and Access to your Movie Collection. Cinema Movies are distributed on Hard Drives, why not put them on Servers for both Cinema and Home Theaters!

That’s because movie lockers are irrelevant. The next gen don’t want to own movies. I actually think it’s barmy to give up disc collecting for Digital HD. The format doesn’t have a promising future. Disc on the other hand will be the last collectors format.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Is it about getting a reaction at this point for you? Because I really think you need to go back and refresh your memory by re-reading the thread. It has never been about physical or digital for most of us, but both.

I just see that as fence sitting. HT should be protected. That’s of the utmost importance to me.

[BMox81]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I just see that as fence sitting. HT should be protected. That’s of the utmost importance to me.

Why is it fence sitting?

For films I'm likely to watch once or twice, I get the digital version of which I watch on my Apple TV 4K for convenience, and then those films (like the MCU) that I will watch multiple times, I buy on disc.

I enjoy the pro's of both formats and use them to the fullest. It's as simple as that.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by BMox81

Why is it fence sitting?

For films I'm likely to watch once or twice, I get the digital version of which I watch on my Apple TV 4K for convenience, and then those films (like the MCU) that I will watch multiple times, I buy on disc.

I enjoy the pro's of both formats and use them to the fullest. It's as simple as that.

I don't rent movies on a title by title basis, but I do use Netflix to watch films I am unsure about actually owning. Streaming is just my screening service; a research tool before making a purchase decision. I don't use it often as I have a pretty good idea of what I will enjoy, but it is nice to have it available.

I will blind buy a title on disc if my interest is greater than my reservation about it. A good price helps, too.

Many people see advantages in using both disc and digital options. Anything that I really like will be bought on disc, but using streaming services can actually save me money by allowing me to weed out titles that do not meet my criteria for collecting.

Being happy is what matters and if you are happy with your methodology, then who am I to tell you that you are wrong? I will, however, take exception with false equivalencies and any hyperbole that says disc is dead or that it will be replaced by digital. Disc and digital will both remain and we can enjoy whatever ratio of the two we prefer. For me, that ratio is essentially 100% disc.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I don't rent movies on a title by title basis, but I do use Netflix to watch films I am unsure about actually owning.

I don't know why Netflix doesn't have some kind of purchase option. Call it "Lock it in" or something and it would essentially give you the UV or MA rights to the movie. You see a movie you like on Netflix, you want to make sure to always have it when Netflix doesn't offer it anymore to subscription so you "Lock it in".

They could also advertise that you can watch your "Locked in" movies at other online streaming services without lifting a finger.

Seems like a no brainer to me. Easy income. They already have the platform and base.

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[Vilya]

Originally Posted by whipnet

I don't know why Netflix doesn't have some kind of purchase option. Call it "Lock it in" or something and it would essentially give you the UV or MA rights to the movie. You see a movie you like on Netflix, you want to make sure to always have it when Netflix doesn't offer it anymore to subscription so you "Lock it in".

They could also advertise that you can watch your "Locked in" movies at other online streaming services without lifting a finger.

Seems like a no brainer to me. Easy income. They already have the platform and base.

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An interesting idea for any of the subscription based streaming services. I suspect the lawyers for all involved prevent anything this logical from becoming a reality.

Just as well, from my point of view, as I would prefer people make their purchases on disc.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It's a good write-up, but they don't even touch on Lockers like iTunes, MA, or Vudu. Netflix is the big item, and I guess Steedeel must love this. I think what is being overlooked are the Streaming Providers that will replace Discs. We have established that Codec and Bitrate can easily match Disc, so now all that is left is Storage and Access to your Movie Collection. Cinema Movies are distributed on Hard Drives, why not put them on Servers for both Cinema and Home Theaters!

Can you please just stop with the "Disc is dead" garbage? You are old enough to know that both formats can coexist next to one another. So pitting one against the other isn't helping either sides arguments at this point. Especially when you make the outlandish claims you do. It is equally ridiculous that the home theater experience is under siege do to digital

[Vilya]

My copy of Star Wars The Last Jedi 3D edition arrived from Amazon.uk today! I have the 4K steelbook and I have watched it already, but now I can try it out in delicious 3D!

And they mistakenly sent me 2 copies! I contacted them and they told me to keep it, too! Now I can give the extra copy to a friend of mine. This day is off to a fine start!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by whipnet

I don't know why Netflix doesn't have some kind of purchase option. Call it "Lock it in" or something and it would essentially give you the UV or MA rights to the movie. You see a movie you like on Netflix, you want to make sure to always have it when Netflix doesn't offer it anymore to subscription so you "Lock it in".

They could also advertise that you can watch your "Locked in" movies at other online streaming services without lifting a finger.

Seems like a no brainer to me. Easy income. They already have the platform and base.

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So the user would buy the film and watch it through Netflix (say in another section called My Purchases for example) on whatever device Netflix is compatible with?

Netflix is hugely popular in the U.K. but we don’t have (in my opinion) a decent locker. You guys have MA. How would Netflix work around that? Seems like it could be a complicated mess again.

On th other hand, Netflix would be obliged to make those films viewable through the TV via console or streaming box. As UV doesn’t have such a easy option to my knowledge, it would at least open UV up to TV sets and streaming boxes. At the moment it’s limited to phones, tablets etc..

[octagon]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

[Show spoiler]

Obviously we've all seen that image a zillion times but until now it never occurred to me that in this particular context people are literally yelling at a cloud.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by whipnet

I don't know why Netflix doesn't have some kind of purchase option. Call it "Lock it in" or something and it would essentially give you the UV or MA rights to the movie. You see a movie you like on Netflix, you want to make sure to always have it when Netflix doesn't offer it anymore to subscription so you "Lock it in".

They could also advertise that you can watch your "Locked in" movies at other online streaming services without lifting a finger.

Seems like a no brainer to me. Easy income. They already have the platform and base.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So the user would buy the film and watch it through Netflix (say in another section called My Purchases for example) on whatever device Netflix is compatible with?

Netflix is hugely popular in the U.K. but we don’t have (in my opinion) a decent locker. You guys have MA. How would Netflix work around that? Seems like it could be a complicated mess again.

On th other hand, Netflix would be obliged to make those films viewable through the TV via console or streaming box. As UV doesn’t have such a easy option to my knowledge, it would at least open UV up to TV sets and streaming boxes. At the moment it’s limited to phones, tablets etc..

So Netflix doesn't have a purchase option, that's strange. Amazon and Vudu have both rent and purchase, and they have Lockers for your Movie Collection. MA opened things up, and your Movie Collection show up in various Providers. I guess that's why you guys see Digital HD as very limited, because you haven't experienced the vast majority of Providers. I like to use them all, but I do use Amazon and Vudu most, I've been watching Bosch on Amazon. I do like using MA, and I have a few Movies going there. Yea you guys need to open up to the Digital HD World!

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So Netflix doesn't have a purchase option, that's strange. Amazon and Vudu has both rent and purchase, and they have Lockers for your Movie Collection. MA opened things up, and your Movie Collection show up in various Providers. I guess that's why you guys see Digital HD as very limited, because you haven't experienced the vast majority of Providers. I like to use them all, but I do use Amazon and Vudu most, I've been watching Busch on Amazon. I do like using MA, and I have a few Movies going there. Yea you guys need to open up to the Digital HD World!

Bosch, not Busch. I like that show too. No, Netflix doesn't have that option. Although you can download movies and episodes to your phone and tablets. They also release some of their successful, original programming on BD. Best of both worlds.