Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So Netflix doesn't have a purchase option, that's strange. Amazon and Vudu has both rent and purchase, and they have Lockers for your Movie Collection. MA opened things up, and your Movie Collection show up in various Providers. I guess that's why you guys see Digital HD as very limited, because you haven't experienced the vast majority of Providers. I like to use them all, but I do use Amazon and Vudu most, I've been watching Busch on Amazon. I do like using MA, and I have a few Movies going there. Yea you guys need to open up to the Digital HD World!

it's not really strange its why Netflix is the preferred streaming service. If you add a buy function to a streaming service its a giant headache sharing it with family and kids and it requires more protections from people accidentally (or the wrong person purposefully) buying things. It also actually really annoying to have a site constantly listing movies you could rent or buy when you are trying to stream. I have amazon prime but I hardly use its video streaming because they are trying to sell me other movies when I really just want to stream something. Its already annoying with how limited streaming selection is getting putting it in your face with buy options only causes more problems.

Basically a business needs to decide if they are selling a subscription or are they selling vod because the 2 models are contradictory (have I payed a monthly fee to watch everything or do you want to nickle and dime me day by day).

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So Netflix doesn't have a purchase option, that's strange. Amazon and Vudu has both rent and purchase, and they have Lockers for your Movie Collection. MA opened things up, and your Movie Collection show up in various Providers. I guess that's why you guys see Digital HD as very limited, because you haven't experienced the vast majority of Providers. I like to use them all, but I do use Amazon and Vudu most, I've been watching Busch on Amazon. I do like using MA, and I have a few Movies going there. Yea you guys need to open up to the Digital HD World!

MA came along way too late. I’m not doubting it is useful but even if I went digital (never going to happen) it would be worthless for me as I only watch films on tv and projector. Also, I would only use Apple as all my tech is Apple. From my phone to my computer. It’s what I am used to and it hasn’t let me down in terms of what I use it for (image editing, work, Spotify, email, word processing, FaceTime etc..

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Bosch, not Busch. I like that show too. No, Netflix doesn't have that option. Although you can download movies and episodes to your phone and tablets. They also release some of their successful, original programming on BD. Best of both worlds.

Unless you want to buy Annihilation Blu-ray, like me. Also, Hush. That scenario is the worst case scenario. I now don’t have access to those films because of Netflix.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Unless you want to buy Annihilation Blu-ray, like me. Also, Hush. That scenario is the worst case scenario. I now don’t have access to those films because of Netflix.

Hush is a good film and a title that i like to have on blu ray in my collection its a shame we can't.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by tob

Hush is a good film and a title that i like to have on blu ray in my collection its a shame we can't.

I know Tob. It would have made the perfect double bill with ‘Don’t Breathe’.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I know Tob. It would have made the perfect double bill with ‘Don’t Breathe’.

Agree steedeel.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by tob

Agree steedeel.

Will have to make do with ‘A Quiet Place’. Looks fantastic mate.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Will have to make do with ‘A Quiet Place’. Looks fantastic mate.

I know looking forward to it Steedeel.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by tob

Hush is a good film and a title that i like to have on blu ray in my collection its a shame we can't.

Is that the 2016 release by any chance? I only ask because Google came up with another film using the same title made some years earlier. Looks interesting for sure.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

Is that the 2016 release by any chance? I only ask because Google came up with another film using the same title made some years earlier. Looks interesting for sure.

Yeah, the other one was a thriller/horror in the style of Breakdown/Duel but nowhere near as good.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Unless you want to buy Annihilation Blu-ray, like me. Also, Hush. That scenario is the worst case scenario. I now don’t have access to those films because of Netflix.

You should really learn how to use the multi quote function buddy. Since I don't live overseas and had to look up what you were talking about in regards to Annihilation. It definitely sucks, but will eventually get a BD release. So nothing to lose sleep over. I've got Don't Breathe in my BD Netflix que. It looks like a really good movie. Stephen Lang is such a great character actor

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

You should really learn how to use the multi quote function buddy. Since I don't live overseas and had to look up what you were talking about in regards to Annihilation. It definitely sucks, but will eventually get a BD release. So nothing to lose sleep over. I've got Don't Breathe in my BD Netflix que. It looks like a really good movie. Stephen Lang is such a great character actor

It is a good movie. Very tense.

The Netflix exclusive thing is crap. I don’t want to wait two years to buy my films.

[dublinbluray108]

I just want to raise a few points about Netflix here. If you are a Netflix subscriber; how would you feel if you are getting the news that $8 billion will be spent on creating 700 Netflix original series & 80 original movies for this calendar year? It has also gained a lot more new subscribers, 7.4 million in fact between January & March, most of which are from outside the United States, to bring it to a current total of 125 million worldwide. I would think that with the amount of content that you're getting for your money spent on your subscription; a company like Netflix would be seen as crazy by multitudes of other people to create that much content for them. I read this article from The Guardian tonight that would have reported the snub of Netflix from the Cannes Film Festival. It was well renowned that Netflix would have a big & notable reputation releasing their original films at that festival for years. It has now been given a lot of disdain by people who are seen as loyal fans at Cannes which effectively started by publicly booing at Netflix screenings from the event just last year. The article also raised one surprising fact about France's release window for movies shown in the theater & then released onto streaming services. It said it takes about 3 years to allow this from French movie studios.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...bal-domination

Now I don't have Netflix but with that amount of content being produced for 2018. Can there not be a point from any of those subscribers would ever think & say Woah, Slow down there big fella; You are going way too fast for my own liking? Who in the name of god has all that time to watch even a tenth of those shows at home during their free time. The number of shows and movies intended to be made from them is just for this year really is insane. Will there ever be a point in time that Netflix will become 100% original now by getting rid of content rights from other distributors? If getting rid of other content does eventually become reality; will there be a peak ever reached with the service until it becomes completely saturated to the point of becoming bust?

Also what would be your views from the organizers at Cannes on the issue about Netflix snubbing the festival on their own terms?

Was this overall a good or bad idea for film making in the industry?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

I just want to raise a few points about Netflix here. If you are a Netflix subscriber; how would you feel if you are getting the news that $8 billion will be spent on creating 700 Netflix original series & 80 original movies for this calendar year? It has also gained a lot more new subscribers, 7.4 million in fact between January & March, most of which are from outside the United States, to bring it to a current total of 125 million worldwide. I would think that with the amount of content that you're getting for your money spent on your subscription; a company like Netflix would be seen as crazy by multitudes of other people to create that much content for them. I read this article from The Guardian tonight that would have reported the snub of Netflix from the Cannes Film Festival. It was well renowned that Netflix would have a big & notable reputation releasing their original films at that festival for years. It has now been given a lot of disdain by people who are seen as loyal fans at Cannes which effectively started by publicly booing at Netflix screenings from the event just last year. The article also raised one surprising fact about France's release window for movies shown in the theater & then released onto streaming services. It said it takes about 3 years to allow this from French movie studios.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...bal-domination

Now I don't have Netflix but with that amount of content being produced for 2018. Can there not be a point from any of those subscribers would ever think & say Woah, Slow down there big fella; You are going way too fast for my own liking? Who in the name of god has all that time to watch even a tenth of those shows at home during their free time. The number of shows and movies intended to be made from them is just for this year really is insane. Will there ever be a point in time that Netflix will become 100% original now by getting rid of content rights from other distributors? If getting rid of other content does eventually become reality; will there be a peak ever reached with the service until it becomes completely saturated to the point of becoming bust?

Also what would be your views from the organizers at Cannes on the issue about Netflix snubbing the festival on their own terms?

Was this overall a good or bad idea for film making in the industry?

The problem isn't all the time all that content would take to watch but the fact that they are putting money into originals over adding stuff to the catalog. http://fortune.com/2016/03/25/netfli...gue-shrinking/. I personally would prefer if they put like 4 or 5 billion of that into maintaining a large catalog and make more high quality originals rather then some of the weird stuff they spam out.

When they make original content in general the subscriber loses in the short term because that one original show probably cost like 10 classic shows streaming rights. When I see those numbers all I really see is a Netflix catalog that's 6300 good shows less (over the course of like 10 years) then it could have been.

Thats my view on original content at the cost of catalog entertainment anyway.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So Netflix doesn't have a purchase option, that's strange. Amazon and Vudu have both rent and purchase, and they have Lockers for your Movie Collection. MA opened things up, and your Movie Collection show up in various Providers. I guess that's why you guys see Digital HD as very limited, because you haven't experienced the vast majority of Providers. I like to use them all, but I do use Amazon and Vudu most, I've been watching Bosch on Amazon. I do like using MA, and I have a few Movies going there. Yea you guys need to open up to the Digital HD World!

For someone who claims to be such an "aficionado" of digital distribution, streaming in particular, I find it extremely laughable that Netflix not having a purchase option is apparently strange, bewildering news to you. That's common knowledge. It's like being surprised when you find out that "1+1=2." That's just one more big reason, amongst a plethora of existing reasons, to not take anything you say seriously.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So Netflix doesn't have a purchase option, that's strange. Amazon and Vudu have both rent and purchase, and they have Lockers for your Movie Collection. MA opened things up, and your Movie Collection show up in various Providers. I guess that's why you guys see Digital HD as very limited, because you haven't experienced the vast majority of Providers. I like to use them all, but I do use Amazon and Vudu most, I've been watching Bosch on Amazon. I do like using MA, and I have a few Movies going there. Yea you guys need to open up to the Digital HD World!

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

For someone who claims to be such an "aficionado" of digital distribution, streaming in particular, I find it extremely laughable that Netflix not having a purchase option is apparently strange, bewildering news to you. That's common knowledge. It's like being surprised when you find out that "1+1=2." That's just one more big reason, amongst a plethora of existing reasons, to not take anything you say seriously.

Why, I don't use Netflix I don't like to follow the crowds. That's why I don't use iTunes either. I did use them many years ago when I lived in San Jose and rented Discs from them. It's common knowledge to people that use the service, I just never really thought about it. You guys like to limit yourselves to Ecosystems like Apple and Netflix, when there's a whole big world out there.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

For someone who claims to be such an "aficionado" of digital distribution, streaming in particular, I find it extremely laughable that Netflix not having a purchase option is apparently strange, bewildering news to you. That's common knowledge. It's like being surprised when you find out that "1+1=2." That's just one more big reason, amongst a plethora of existing reasons, to not take anything you say seriously.

I found that odd myself. A self-proclaimed expert on all matters related to digital and streaming services knew nothing about how Netflix, the largest streaming service of them all, operates. Even I, a staunch advocate of disc ownership and mostly a stranger to streaming, knew more about Netflix than he did.

While he can not be taken seriously, an effort to take pity might be in order. I can not shake the feeling that there is a real cognitive impairment involved here. Either that, or it is just simple trolling.

[Vilya]

Like the great big world of Sony Ultra? A widely panned digital streaming service that limits you to Sony owned movies at ridiculous prices and restricts viewing to a handful of Sony TVs? That same Sony Ultra you have gushed about so many times in your previous posts?

Oh yeah, you're a real trend setting pioneer there. Good thing you don't like to follow crowds as you won't find any using Sony Ultra.

"Requirements: Select Sony Bravia 4K Ultra HD TVs."

"Cost: $30 per movie purchase, rentals are $8 for 48 hours when available."

"...selections are effectively limited to Sony Pictures movies and TV shows."

"But frankly, you’ll be hard-pressed to find virtually anyone using Ultra, as its many restrictions make it one of the least enticing services on the list."

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...k-uhd-content/

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Unless you want to buy Annihilation Blu-ray, like me. Also, Hush. That scenario is the worst case scenario. I now don’t have access to those films because of Netflix.

Is this the movie that you are seeking? It is being released on May 29th.

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=23166

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Why, I don't use Netflix I don't like to follow the crowds. That's why I don't use iTunes either. I did use them many years ago when I lived in San Jose and rented Discs from them. It's common knowledge to people that use the service, I just never really thought about it. You guys like to limit yourselves to Ecosystems like Apple and Netflix, when there's a whole big world out there.

So your main reason for not using those particular services is because they are among the most popular? What the f--- kind of logic is that?

Heck, that contradicts your ENTIRE argument. Your whole thing has been how digital distribution is the future, it's what most people are shifting to, etc. You've been giving people who collect discs a lot of crap for not "following the crowds."

Do you actually stop to think about these things before you post them?

Those of us who prefer to buy our movies on discs are to some extent choosing (be it intentionally or passively/coincidentally) to NOT follow the crowd, because we see the benefits that having a physical copy offers. Not that we feel disc is in any danger of disappearing completely any time soon if ever, but we are not blind to the decline in physical sales overall. It may become more niche over time, but I don't see it entirely going away.

I don't use itunes, but I do subscribe to both Netflix and Hulu. Both, especially Netflix, have a lot of really good original programming that you can't get anywhere else... except for when some of that programming eventually gets released on DVD and/or Blu-Ray.

In exactly what way are we really "limiting" ourselves? By not jumping onboard with Sony Ultra and their very limited amount of content that can easily be obtained on discs and likely through a plethora of other services?

Or by not opting to watch movies through Vudu instead of on a disc? If we opt to watch Thor Ragnarok on Blu-Ray or 4K Blu-Ray instead of through Vudu, we are still watching the same movie, and at a quality that is still better than the respective digital versions for HD and 4K. Even if the quality was equal as you like to think it is (which it isn't), the only difference at that point would be us putting a disc in a machine, which we don't mind doing. We're still otherwise watching the same movie.

Considering that you know so little about the services that you don't use (like Netflix), to the point that Netflix strictly being a subscription service was somehow "news" to you, how are you really in any position to judge how "limited" the content is? I admit that their movie selection can be rather sparse and hit or miss at times.... I certainly wouldn't want to be limited to ONLY Netflix, but I'm not. And their original programming and the good movies that they do get makes it worth having in addition to my other content viewing methods. I have cable TV with HBO and Starz, and a plethora of on demand content in addition to what's otherwise on the air, I have Netflix and Hulu, and I have my disc collection. I don't feel like I'm very limited at all.

But please do go on about the extensive content that Sony Ultra has to offer.