Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by MCT

wow. The Abyss, The Terminator, Terminator 2, True Lies, Aliens are what you'd consider "boring"?

This made me LOL! Terminator 2 and Aliens I consider two of the finest action movies of all time.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

If you think so, keep believing it. I think your Avatar alone shows how positive and open minded you are.

Btw, "hater" is a shortcut to refer to people who constantly criticize everything George Lucas says or does. They hold no respect for him, his opinions or his work. Your fiddling with the films speaks for itself, I think. No offense!

But I really don´t want to argue anymore so please stop!

Again you bring what i do into the argument, yet it also proves you completely wrong. Both you and Shaft Windu (which i am convinced you are both one and the same person) constantly attack what i do as a way to prove your point that i hate George Lucas and everything he does including the prequels. You couldn't be further from the truth.

Big deal, i have an avatar that shows i am against Hayden being in ROTJ. I have said before why this makes no sense and it one of the worst changes in the latest versions of the OT. Why should the Original Trilogy get all these constant changes just so they fit in with the prequels? Weren't the prequels made AFTER the OT? Surely George should have wrote those so they would fit in with the films that came before so he wouldn't have needed all these changes?

I have the deepest respect for George Lucas. hell, he gave us Star Wars and changed the face of cinema, but am i going to blindly accept everything he does as perfect? Then no. You do know you can respect someone and also disagree with them don't you?

Now the last thing i wanted to do is even mention my edits, but you both keep bringing them up even though what i do outside of these forums shouldn't be allowed to get dragged into your arguments, but you do constantly bring up what i do, so i want to put this to rest. So, you say that my work proves i hate the prequels and special editions and that i disrespect George because of this then? So why would i have bothered to restore the Theatrical version of The Phantom Menace which is unavailable on DVD? And why would i have bothered to restore the 1997 versions of the Original Trilogy in HD? Oh yes, of course i hate them so much i would spend all that time and effort on them. I believe that all fans should be able to have the versions that they prefer and not just the select few.

What i do is just for fun. It has nothing to do with a disrespect for George Lucas. In your mind set then all the fans that are into costuming, yet alter their costumes disrespect him too then. Surely, in your thinking, not having their costume look exactly the way George depicted these characters in the movies etc or altering them to suit their own ideas or preferences is disrespecting him and his work.

I am not a "hater" so please get your facts straight.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

And I guess this is probably the biggest disconnect between those who praise Lucas for what he has done and for those who disagree with him.

It's not so much that I specifically want him to be unhappy with the finished product by any means, but as a customer... as someone who buys tickets to movie and buys movies on DVD and Blu-Ray, at the end of the day I am a big more concerned with what the entertainment value is to me.

As such, if some other director or whatever can come in and do a much better job than Lucas, himself, can, then I'm in favor of that. I don't exactly think that it's a coincidence that TESB tends to quite often be the most praised movie of the OT (and even the entire saga), but by all accounts that I've heard, of the 2 movies that Lucas didn't actually direct, it's the one that he basically gave the most freedom away to the person directing it.

I know that you and some others here like the PT a lot, and consider it 'just as good' as the OT, but the reality is that there are many people who feel quite differently. And I don't think it's a coincidence that the OT, which is often considered the better of the 2 trilogies, was made when Lucas didn't have the power that he has today (and also had at the time of making the PT). His career was still 'young' enough, even after the success of the original Star Wars when making TESB and ROTJ (he wasn't quite this 'legend' yet as he seemed to be by the time he went to make the PT), that the people surrounding him weren't 100% "yes men" and could question and challenge him to some extent or another.

For that matter, I do think that under an ideal collaboration type of situation, another director (or co-director) could potentially come in, take Lucas's ideas, and make them better than Lucas ever could on his own. We know that Lucas isn't exactly known as an "actor's director", so he could have hired someone to come on board and help get better performances from the actors.... rather than making the performances secondary to the flashy special effects. Maybe by letting someone else look over the script and make suggestions where it could be better tightened up to make it more coherent and line up with the OT better, the end result could have been better. You know... actually question him a bit instead of just being another "yes man" amongst many. Odds are those of you who are happy with the PT now still would have been happy with it under those circumstances... it's just that it's also possible that some or many of those who are not currently happy with it might feel otherwise.

I can understand, to an extent, you (and other's with similar opinions as you) taking a stance in which you don't want the creator of the material to be unhappy with the end result. Bu I just don't get the idea that you simply wouldn't even want to consider having a version of the PT in which someone else directs it due to the possibility that it may, even in the slightest way, not quite match up with Lucas's "exact" vision, even if it would otherwise, for you, be a much more enjoyable and entertaining movie.

You never heard people defend Joel Schumacher's 'vision' for Batman & Robin with such conviction. And I know that Schumacher didn't create Batman the same way that Lucas created Star Wars, but still the point essentially remains the same. Not all movies are directed by the creator of the content... sometimes that for the worse, but sometimes it's also for the better. Some people have great 'vision' but when it comes to the 'nitty gritty' aspects of directing, they aren't so good at it. Perhaps in the case of Lucas, he would have been better off communicating his vision as best he could to someone else who could have taken that and made the most out of it... special effects, acting, story, and all.

That's just the way I see it.

Oh, you misinterpreted what i said. I'm no "Yes Man" and it's not my primary concern if Lucas is "unhappy" or not... I truly love the Prequel AND the Sequel Trilogy as they are. The movies speak to me on a deeper level, have a philosophy and a view of life that I an identify with and they move me. So, I don't "like" the prequels because i support everything GL does - I rather support GL because I happen to like what he did with the prequels. And if there were no prequels I wouldn't be such a Star Wars Fan as I am today. If he hadn't finished his story I would still love the old movies but they would be fossils of the 80s together with Ghostbusters, E.T. or Poltergeist and wouldnt have the significance they have today for me.

It's hard to imagine alternate prequels directed by others that would possibly be better because i love them the way they are. All the Prequels are just as good as TESB and even better than ROTJ in my opinion. So i can't follow your logic. I don't really see the big difference between the 6 movies. There are differences in themes and in tone, sure - but the writing, acting and directing is really on the same page.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Umm I think you have not been following this thread then. There are a hadful of frequent posters who do not want the UOT released period! Why? Because they feel it will mess up the entire saga or at least thats the excuse they use.

Oh Jeeeez! Here he goes again
It's not so much that I don't "want" the OOT (outdated original trilogy) released. I just don't care for it to be released and I don't see it being released because it has been said that it won't be. On the other hand: It already HAS BEEN released on DVD already and that has stopped the hate-machine not one bit. So, why would it be different if they somehow got released? I really don't see it!

By all means: I hope the OOT on BluRay falls right now from the sky in every haters lap. I just don't see them being released officially. And I don't see the point because - After all: the S.E. alterations are minor so they are still the same movies! But I repeat myself

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by adywan

Again you bring what i do into the argument, yet it also proves you completely wrong. Both you and Shaft Windu (which i am convinced you are both one and the same person) constantly attack what i do as a way to prove your point that i hate George Lucas and everything he does including the prequels.

Funny! A bit paranoid are we?
By that logic You and this Cowboy would have to be the same person too because you have similar views!? Ridiculous!

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

... I truly love the Prequel AND the Sequel Trilogy as they are. The movies speak to me on a deeper level, have a philosophy and a view of life that I an identify with and they move me. So, I d

Is this the only home video forum where you can feel like you wandered into some teenage girl's diary? (the digital bits thread was like that a lot. What happened to that thread anyway?)

[Coov]

Dear Diary,

I love flannel. It reminds me of CGI sunsets on the beach and the Backstreet Boys! Like cuddling up with Jar-Jar, a good book and an ice-cream cone.

[Coov]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

These are just spiteful, subjective rantings. In the end nobody can definetely say why George Lucas does something. We can just judge from his work. The movies - even the Sequel-Trilogy that you allegedly like are conveying messages of loyalty, friendship, love, bravery and modesty especially to children. In a time where religious fundamentalism, greed and general moral decay threatens our planet I am glad that these 6 movies can now reach a new generation. Who cares if some conservatives want Han or Greedo to shoot first - I don't even know what's supposed to be the right version. It's so small-minded. What matters is the integrity of the 6-part saga as a whole.

Adywan laid it out perfectly well. If you don't like the truth stop reading his posts!

[MCT]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Oh Jeeeez! Here he goes again
It's not so much that I don't "want" the OOT (outdated original trilogy)

lol "outdated"

its THE SAME MOVIE AS THE RETARDED ALTERED VERSIONS, except it includes a badly rendered cartoon dinosaur with a bumbling Jawa falling off it, Han solo's head moving at ludicrous speed to avoid a point blank blaster shot, a laughable version of Jabba (who looks like an inflated Goomba from the Mario Bros games), and some extra ships added into the Battle Of Yavin. What are you even talking about?

you get a head-shake gif too

[Coov]

Originally Posted by MCT

lol "outdated"

its THE SAME MOVIE AS THE RETARDED ALTERED VERSIONS, except it includes a badly rendered cartoon dinosaur with a bumbling Jawa falling off it, Han solo's head moving at ludicrous speed to avoid a point blank blaster shot, a laughable version of Jabba (who looks like an inflated Goomba from the Mario Bros games), and some extra ships added into the Battle Of Yavin. What are you even talking about?

you get a head-shake gif too

I see this going into the "PEZ dispensers" thread. It does not meet the requirements for the direction the mods believe this thread should be going.

[MCT]

There was nothing spiteful about that post. At all. Shaft probably didnt even read all that.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

This made me LOL! Terminator 2 and Aliens I consider two of the finest action movies of all time.

The Terminator > Terminator 2

Sorry, just had to get that out Both are in my top 10 movies.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Really? So every film should be changed? Jaws? The Exorcist; whatever? And the Originals should never been seen again? Hmm sounds good. Jeebus just go over to the rings and check that thread out for some minor color change....

Cowboy - Thats not really what anyone saying. My only goal was to point out that you CAN see improvements in some scenes...and I did say SOME scenes! Most of us dont care for the well-known dislikes like Han shooting first or the Jabba Barge song. But, that doesnt mean that every change or shall we say "fix" is a bad thing. The Yavin battle is WAY better in the SE's - watch them both back to back and the UOT gets "blasted" by the SE version. It aint even close.

Funny you mention the LOTR color change - thats got lots of underwear all twisted up on that thread!

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by adywan

Why should the Original Trilogy get all these constant changes just so they fit in with the prequels? Weren't the prequels made AFTER the OT? Surely George should have wrote those so they would fit in with the films that came before so he wouldn't have needed all these changes?

I wholeheartedly agree! I just can't get over why they gave Boba Fett that New Zealand accent in the prequels! I will never understand that head scratcher. I can enjoy the PT but decisions like that particularly when modified in the OT will always bother me.

[Scooter1836]

This is getting nuts.

There are people that like the SE, like the UOT and like both.

We all need to agree to disagree.

Those that prefer the UOT only need to get the acceptance phase of the grief life cycle, because it is not in this release.

If the UOT is the only version of the OT you intend to purchase and because of that you are not taking part in this release you need to think about why you are still commenting in this thread since it will not be in this release.

If the UOT is a deal breaker for you you should contact LucasFilm and make your opinion known there where it might do some good. It surely will not change things posting here. In fact whether it is a deal breaker or not you should contact them if you want to see it released eventually.

I know some of you will answer this by saying "I have a right to my opinion", but repeating the opinion over and over again is not needed.

The horse has been beaten to death already. It is time to bury it.

We should get back to the threads intent which is to talk about the release we have.

[MerrickG]

Has anyone read The Secret History of the Star Wars?

If you haven't you should. It really opens you up to what goes on in Lucas head and is one of the best reads ever.

Lets just say that those who actually believe Lucas when he says he had this whole thing figured out from day one will see that was not the case AT ALL.

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Has anyone read The Secret History of the Star Wars?

If you haven't you should. It really opens you up to what goes on in Lucas head and is one of the best reads ever.

Lets just say that those who actually believe Lucas when he says he had this whole thing figured out from day one will see that was not the case AT ALL.

I agree. The basic outlines he did make were very broad and not enough detail to show that it was all figured out. He just had some very basic outlines.

Which is part of the reasons he has made changes and the inconsitancies that exist.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Lets just say that those who actually believe Lucas when he says he had this whole thing figured out from day one will see that was not the case AT ALL.

When did he say that? I did read the Secret History, though (when it was free on the web site fortunately). Pretty good stuff. I would have preferred the original Bond-style every few years formula to a contrived saga.

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by Scooter1836

I agree. The basic outlines he did make were very broad and not enough detail to show that it was all figured out. He just had some very basic outlines.

Which is part of the reasons he has made changes and the inconsitancies that exist.

Vader and Luke's Dad were two separate characters until roughly the 2nd draft of ESB.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

So what you are asking for to satisfy all fans is a Blu-Ray set like this? Does anyone seriously want Star Wars to be released Blade-Runner-style?

Star Wars - the insanely complete Saga Set

BD 1: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (1999 theatrical Edition)
BD 2: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2000 DVD Edition)
BD 3: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 4: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 theatrical Edition)
BD 5: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 DVD Edition)
BD 6: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 UK DVD Edition)
BD 7: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 8: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 theatrical Edition)
BD 9: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 DVD Edition)
BD 10: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 11: Star Wars (1977 theatrical Edition with multiple sound formats)
BD 12: Episode IV - A new Hope (1981 rerelease Edition)
BD 13: Episode IV - A new Hope (1997 Special Edition)
BD 14: Episode IV - A new Hope (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 15: Episode IV - A new Hope (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 16: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 35mm Master)
BD 17: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 70mm Master)
BD 18: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 17: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983 theatrical Edition)
BD 18: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 21: Prequels Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 22: Prequels Archival Specials (all previous DVD Specials)
BD 23: Original Trilogy Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 24: Original Trilogy Archival Specials (all LD and DVD Specials)
BD 25: the Documentaries (included in the BD Set)

don't forget the 16mm(and i think 8 mm) home versions as well. all this for only $2499.99. and while you are at it, he also has a book for $3000.