Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, because short form isn’t the biggest growth area in video at the moment. I just imagined it.

As tempting as it might sometimes be to think otherwise, Youtube is not going to bring about the downfall of art or culture or entertainment as we know it.

A zillion self-appointed 'reviewers' ranting about movies isn't going to alter the course of human history. Neither are a zillion DIY how-to videos or a zillion videos of people's pets doing adorable things on pianos or their kids falling asleep in their high chairs.

This 'rise of short form video' is nothing but companies having another outlet for ads and tech support and boring people having another outlet for their boring vacation slides and their boring Christmas newsletters.

I'm confident western civilization will soldier on.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Love that movie and the clip from it. I need to rewatch it now. Thanks! The scientist at the very start looks like Richard Deacon who played Fred Rutherford on the TV series Leave It To Beaver.

It is. He also played Mel Cooley on The Dick Van Dyke Show.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, because short form isn’t the biggest growth area in video at the moment. I just imagined it.

I don't know that that is even true, but even if it is that does not automatically mean that there is a death spiral in "long form." Things can, do, and will co-exist.

I, for one, watch short youtube clips like the one above, but I watch 4.5 hour long movies like The Return Of The King, too.

One is a snack; the other a full course meal.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

As tempting as it might sometimes be to think otherwise, Youtube is not going to bring about the downfall of art or culture or entertainment as we know it.

A zillion self-appointed 'reviewers' ranting about movies isn't going to alter the course of human history. Neither are a zillion DIY how-to videos or a zillion videos of people's pets doing adorable things on pianos or their kids falling asleep in their high chairs.

This 'rise of short form video' is nothing but companies having another outlet for ads and tech support and boring people having another outlet for their boring vacation slides and their boring Christmas newsletters.

I'm confident western civilization will soldier on.

Going forward we are talking condensed tv, film etc.,

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I don't know that that is even true, but even if it is that does not automatically mean that there is a death spiral in "long form." Things can, do, and will co-exist.

I, for one, watch short youtube clips like the one above, but I watch 4.5 hour long movies like The Return Of The King, too.

One is a snack; the other a full course meal.

Yeah but like me, you have the attention span to watch long form. I’m also guessing you can watch a film from start to finish without grabbing your mobile.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Going forward we are talking condensed tv, film etc.,

Going forward? Where have you been for the last several decades?

Broadcasters have been editing film for content and language and length and for all manner of reasons for as long as there have been broadcasters.

Oh but yes, this time will be different. This time the threat du jour really will bring about the ruination of everything we love and boy will we be sorry for mocking the visionaries who tried to warn us.

Oh well, sucks to be us.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Going forward we are talking condensed tv, film etc.,

I will keep all of those condensed TV shows and condensed movies on my Readers Digest condensed books bookshelf; plenty of room there as it is completely empty.

Now you got me thinking about condensed milk. Have they gotten to our dairy cows, too!?

[Blu-ray Fanatic]

I still prefer physical because I can some of my investment back.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah but like me, you have the attention span to watch long form. I’m also guessing you can watch a film from start to finish without grabbing your mobile.

I banish my phone from both sight and earshot when I watch a movie. My phone is not even allowed in my bedroom unless someone I know is known to be sick or something.

Unfortunately, the only thing impeding my attention span is the fact that I am taking long term pain management medication. It sometimes adds to my innate loopiness... and long windedness.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I banish my phone from both sight and earshot when I watch a movie. My phone is not even allowed in my bedroom unless someone I know is known to be sick or something.

Unfortunately, the only thing impeding my attention span is the fact that I am taking long term pain management medication. It sometimes adds to my innate loopiness... and long windedness.

Don’t worry, mock away. I’m used to it and it might work as therapy for you.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Don’t worry, mock away. I’m used to it and it might work as therapy for you.

I'm not trying to mock you. I am using humor, or the feeble attempt at it, to try and assuage your worries.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

VOIP sucks; when either the power or the internet goes out, you lose your phone service, too.

No thanks.

You can still get traditional wall jack phone service where I live, but I have decided to just have my cell phone. It has been surprisingly reliable. It works when VOIP doesn't.

If I wanted a "landline" phone, it sure as hell would not be VOIP. I had that with AT&T U-Verse when I lived in California. It should have been called U-Curse. Lose your internet service and you lose your phone. And usually your TV service, too.

U-Curse bundles were great; if one service failed, then they all did. If U-Curse wasn't down, San Diego Gas & Electric was; it was like they were a tag team of incompetence.

Tell us how you really feel. I love VoIP, but I have an Ooma that I've had for over 7 years. I Ported the Number from my Old Verizon Land Line. It does depend on Solid Internet and Power. Works like a Land Line, and with the Features like Caller ID and Blocking I cut my Junk Calls to nothing. I also have an AT&T Wireless, but it's Microsoft with Windows 10....No iPhone for me! I agree with you on U-Verse, that was a big mistake AT&T made to use Twisted Copper from the VRADS. Now AT&T is waking up with GigaPower which is Fiber instead of Copper.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Tell us how you really feel. I love VoIP, but I have an Ooma that I've had for over 7 years. I Ported the Number from my Old Verizon Land Line. It does depend on Solid Internet and Power. Works like a Land Line, and with the Features like Caller ID and Blocking I cut my Junk Calls to nothing. I also have an AT&T Wireless, but it's Microsoft with Windows 10....No iPhone for me! I agree with you on U-Verse, that was a big mistake AT&T made to use Twisted Copper from the VRADS. Now AT&T is waking up with GigaPower which is Fiber instead of Copper.

My cell phone service is with AT&T and my phone is the ancient Samsung Note 3. My cell phone service has been very stable and reliable, much to my surprise after my experience with U-Curse.

My former cell phone carrier was Verizon; I grew to despise them quickly.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Fanatic

I still prefer physical because I can some of my investment back.

That use to be the case, but no one wants Discs anymore and the Studios are getting wise. Recent Release Combo Packs are $25, and nobody wants to pay more than $10. So it's really not worth it to buy Discs for the Digital Copy.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

That use to be the case, but no one wants Discs anymore and the Studios are getting wise. Recent Release Combo Packs are $25, and nobody wants to pay more than $10. So it's really not worth it to buy Discs for the Digital Copy.

This is exactly why you get pounced on. When you make idiotic remarks like "no one wants discs anymore", you are begging for a drubbing. Do you even know what website you are on? It is a website named Blu-ray.com and the majority of its threads are about movies on disc. You are literally trolling here when you say such blatantly stupid things after all of this time.

Here is a forum rule you should learn: "If your only purpose on this forum is to question Blu-ray as a format and bringing negativity to the forum, then you are not welcome."

https://forum.blu-ray.com/faq.php?fa...forumrulesfull

I remind you of this because of the sheer volume of posts where you have made identical statements such as the one I am quoting now. You do it over and over and over again. If that isn't the trademark of a troll, nothing is.

And learn how to use capital letters; there is no need to capitalize every noun and the adjectives describing them. It is not emphasis you are achieving, but rather you are just advertising your lack of knowledge regarding basic grammar.

Disc sales comprised 22.9% of the entire home entertainment spending for 2017. 22.9% represents a lot of "someones" who still purchase discs. No industry will ever forego 22.9% of their market.

Digital purchases made up only 10.48% of home entertainment spending in 2017. Discs outsold digital by slightly more than 2 to 1. These are verifiable facts from collected sales data unlike the utter BS you pull out of your hindquarters. We don't care what sales clerks at your local stores have told you, either. Your silly myopic anecdotes prove nothing.

How would you know what people are willing to spend on something you yourself won't buy? I bought 32 movies on disc this month, so far, and I have three 4K combo packs on pre-order that cost between $24.99 to $25.79. I consider myself to be one of those "someones" who regularly buy discs at release day prices. I am one of those "someones" who very much wants movies and TV shows on disc. Not all of us are cheapskates like some, not all, of you digital devotees.

The studios are already "wise" enough to run their affairs. The studios know how to price their product despite not having you on their payroll to give them moronic advice. The studios know their business far better than you ever will.

People who buy disc combo packs buy them for the disc first and foremost, not for the digital copy. If all you want is that code, you can obtain it separately. If you beg enough on forum sites like this one, someone will probably give you the code for free or near to it. That's how much they're worth.

This website has numerous threads dedicated to movies on disc. These same people want and buy movies on disc. They pre-order and pay release day prices routinely. While everyone loves a bargain, many of us also want our movies now and we will readily pay $20-$35 to get that movie. Steelbook fans will eagerly pay $35.

When you talk crap, you're gonna get deservedly slapped for it, especially when you say it month after month. Hyperbole such as yours is not only always wrong, its only purpose is to annoy people. What do you think would happen if I said no one wants digital- repeatedly? I'd be taken to the proverbial forum woodshed for a well earned beating. I have to ask where you watch your digital content; it must be from under a bridge with the other trolls.

[Vilya]

With walls of text like these, you have to know I am a graduate of the Dynamo of Eternia School of Writing.

Time to sign off now and go play online video games with my gaming group, if my ISP will permit it. I yield the podium.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

That use to be the case, but no one wants Discs anymore and the Studios are getting wise. Recent Release Combo Packs are $25, and nobody wants to pay more than $10. So it's really not worth it to buy Discs for the Digital Copy.

Or you could just buy the movies used get your digital copy then sell the movie for what you payed since the digital copy has zero value to most. I have done it fairly often when I already own a movie but want to get a digital copy only I just buy it used and like 80% of the time the digital copy wont be touched because going with your mind set Nobody wants a digital copy.


Unless somebody on this site or in real life gives me a digital copy of Thor Ragnarok, Last Jedi, black panther, Pinocchio or Bambi buying the movie used to get the digital copy is my basic game plan because I either already own older versions that did not come with a digital copy or I had to import to get the 3d version.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

That use to be the case, but no one wants Discs anymore and the Studios are getting wise. Recent Release Combo Packs are $25, and nobody wants to pay more than $10. So it's really not worth it to buy Discs for the Digital Copy.

Originally Posted by Vilya

The studios are already wise. The studios know how to price their product despite not having you on their payroll to give them moronic advice. The studios know their business far better than you ever will.

People who buy disc combo packs buy them for the disc first and foremost, not for the digital copy. If all you want is that code, you can obtain it separately. If you beg enough on forum sites like this one, someone will probably give you the code for free or near to it. That's how much they're worth.

Boy I must hit a nerve with you, I just call it as I see it. I buy and sell on eBay, and I use to sell "Like New" Resent Releases for almost the Market Price. This is not the case anymore, Blu-rays are less than $5 and UHD is less than $10. Most people just want to watch the Movie at a reasonable price, Disc or Digital. Collectors like yourself go crazy on buying Discs. The 4K Forums are full of people buying 4K Discs of all their Blu-ray Collection, and not thinking twice. I just perfer Digital HD, but if you want Disc go for it! I know they have 8K, but I think the next Format will be 16K or 32K. For this it will be SSD or Server.....No more Discs!

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy I must hit a nerve with you, I just call it as I see it. I buy and sell on eBay, and I use to sell "Like New" Resent Releases for almost the Market Price. This is not the case anymore, Blu-rays are less than $5 and UHD is less than $10. Most people just want to watch the Movie at a reasonable price, Disc or Digital. Collectors like yourself go crazy on buying Discs. The 4K Forums are full of people buying 4K Discs of all their Blu-ray Collection, and not thinking twice. I just perfer Digital HD, but if you want Disc go for it! I know they have 8K, but I think the next Format will be 16K or 32K. For this it will be SSD or Server.....No more Discs!

Part of your problem is you are selling on eBay the bootleg capital of the world. You are also removing the digital copy which is basically the only thing not bootleg-able so you are basically competing with bootleg prices.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy I must hit a nerve with you, I just call it as I see it. I buy and sell on eBay, and I use to sell "Like New" Resent Releases for almost the Market Price. This is not the case anymore, Blu-rays are less than $5 and UHD is less than $10. Most people just want to watch the Movie at a reasonable price, Disc or Digital. Collectors like yourself go crazy on buying Discs. The 4K Forums are full of people buying 4K Discs of all their Blu-ray Collection, and not thinking twice. I just perfer Digital HD, but if you want Disc go for it! I know they have 8K, but I think the next Format will be 16K or 32K. For this it will be SSD or Server.....No more Discs!

What you are doing is repeating the same absurdities over and over. You are not seeing anything except what you want to see.

How many times have you told us that "disc is dead" or "disc is dying" or "no one wants disc?" So many times that it really constitutes trolling. You know it is not true, but you say it, anyway, and there are really only two possible explanations for this behavior: one is being a troll or being incurably dense. It could be both. Neither are very endearing.

None of what you have said is true and several people have called you out on it, but yet here we are again confronted with your extreme hyperbole based on nothing but your inability to sell used discs on ebay, the bootleg center of the universe, for the price you want.

Your personal experiences, real or imagined, are not a barometer for the entire market any more than mine are. Sales data is collected and analyzed across the entire country, and even the entire world, to provide a true picture of how the market is doing. Every industry does this kind of analysis. Personal anecdotes prove nothing.

Now, according to your quote above, you are conceding that there are people that want and buy discs. How magnanimous of you to admit the obvious. In no time at all, though, you will be back to telling us that no one wants discs.

Informing us that everyone wants to pay a reasonable price for what they buy is another obvious fact that need not be stated. Collectors do not go "crazy" buying discs. They simply buy what they enjoy.

It would be very easy for me to say that digital customers go "crazy" buying something they do not ever actually possess. But that's not accurate, either. They are here, sniffing about for free codes, only buying them as a last resort.

There, I just painted all digital fans with the same broad brush that you paint disc fans. That statement is as wrong as the one you made implying that disc buyers are "crazy."

If I were to say the same things about digital that you say about disc with the frequency that you do it, not only would I be as perpetually wrong as you are, I would draw the same flack that you do.

What you prefer is your choice just as what I prefer is mine. The simple fact that we both can enjoy our separate choices is more than enough proof that they both exist and remain viable.

The internet and streaming providers have not even matched blu-ray disc bitrates and are nowhere near matching 4K UHD bitrates and here you are prophesying that those same ISPs and streaming providers will be bringing us 8K, 16K and 32K content. Talk about doubling, nay, tripling down on being outrageously ignorant.

You can't even see the present state of the home entertainment market; don't even try to predict the future of it. You are wrong enough today without being wrong about tomorrow, too.