Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

I honestly don't know why. The new transfer is better. It corrects the geometry, is at exactly 24fps, contains the original mono track, isn't desaturated within an inch of its life, and doesn't shift aspect ratio midway through. And while the compression apparently isn't as good, what good is the best compression in the world if the underlying transfer is obscuring all the extra detail it would've provided in the first place.

And I think it's also important to note, that the compression talk is based on a couple of screenshots aloop posted that he was very upfront that he specifically selected - and when he came back after watching the entire thing, he said:

"It does look fantastic! I didn't offer any judgements on anything aside from the compression in my original post because I hadn't actually watched it yet, but now that I have I am very satisfied with this release."

and...

"Yeah the compression is not great in the screens I posted (though keep in mind that the screens I posted only represent 3 frames of the whole movie), but it's still a large upgrade in pretty much every other area!"

Somehow, that all got lost with people freaking out that it must be some sub-standard, terrible release, before they have even seen it.

I think we have seen exactly zero people who actually have seen both the 4K releases of this film and think the Lionsgate one is superior. I'm sure there will be some, but the folks that have actually seen this disc so far don't seem among them.

[Croweyes1121]

I'll be happy to post screenshots, but I don't know how to convert HDR to SDR. If anyone could explain that to me, I'll share away. I've got the disc ripped already. I'm capturing to PNG with VLC.

[moviebuff75]

The first screenshot is the one that concerned me. It had awful macroblocking.

[JackForrester]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

I honestly don't know why. The new transfer is better. It corrects the geometry, is at exactly 24fps, contains the original mono track, isn't desaturated within an inch of its life, and doesn't shift aspect ratio midway through. And while the compression apparently isn't as good, what good is the best compression in the world if the underlying transfer is obscuring all the extra detail it would've provided in the first place. I'm happily sticking with this new disc and not looking back. But you do you.

Yeah, I don't have the disc yet, but judging by what I've seen so far, looks miles away better than the Lionsgate colorless transfer. The film just looks lifeless. It was better than no Halloween in 4k at all but now its "better compression" can kiss my hairy butt. I'm SF 4k transfer all the way.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by moviebuff75

The first screenshot is the one that concerned me. It had awful macroblocking.

Yeah, it's clearly not an issue with the entire film. I threw this frame into photoshop and intentionally blew out the tone just to accentuate the grain structure. Very healthy and organic structure here. Again, this is NOT how the disc looks while playing the movie, I made it bright on purpose just to show off the grain.



The blocking is there in the shape by the clothesline shot, but it's important to keep in mind that the motion on the sheets in that shot is so fast that I seriously doubt I'd have ever noticed it if it hadn't been previously pointed out and I'd stopped intently and freeze-framed to look for it.

[dlbsyst]

Originally Posted by movieman1979

Has there been any word on which brick and mortar stores will have these, if any? I lucked out in tracking down the one copy my local Best Buy had of the first one last week, and was hoping I would come across the other four in a Target or Walmart out in the wild.

I think Movie Trading Company is getting them on Tuesday. They are charging $29.95 each though.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

Somehow, that all got lost with people freaking out that it must be some sub-standard, terrible release, before they have even seen it.

This has never happened before on this site!

[Show spoiler]

[Neutron82]

all 5 arrived from bullmoose in mint condition, they shipped part 2 separately but it was in a box and came at the same time as the others... I really like the slipcases as well, I much prefer these to the standard slips... about 30 mins into this and it looks great so far

[hagios]

Originally Posted by Chaotic-Strike

Hi-Def Digest posted a video clip of the hedge scene if anyone wants to check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKSh...High-DefDigest

Thanks for this clip Chaotic-Strike it is one of my fav scenes with the GREAT music score… has really got me hyped up to see this!

… I’ll be entering ALL 5 Halloween 🎃 in our very own thread when I receive them from AMZ!!

31 Days of Halloween Movies (2021) - Horror Fans Unite!!!!!! (I can not seem to be able to use our URL link, can anyone help explain how I can properly use this on my iPad… I must be doing something wrong!!??)… those that can come join us for some spooky fun!

[BobSimms]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

Yeah, it's clearly not an issue with the entire film. I threw this frame into photoshop and intentionally blew out the tone just to accentuate the grain structure. Very healthy and organic structure here. Again, this is NOT how the disc looks while playing the movie, I made it bright on purpose just to show off the grain.

[Show spoiler]

Gorgeousness and gorgeousity!

[Jay H.]

Oh good. Everybody's still here.

Halloween

[dallywhitty]

Hall
O
Ween

[Krynoid-Man]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Am I the only one who liked the Lionsgate UHD?

Other than the lack of original audio, I was quite happy with it

[NeilZ]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

Just to put the geometry controversy well and good to bed, I threw the opening title into AutoCAD. Here's a perfect circle superimposed over the letter O in Halloween. Looks spot-on to me, assuming this is a valid reference for a perfect circle (obviously, disregard the washed-out colors - it's a raw cap without HDR/SDR conversion applied to it).

Good job on that. Glad I was wrong. Everyone can buy with confidence now.

[Chumley]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Hall
O
Ween

Bl
O
Feld

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

I think we have seen exactly zero people who actually have seen both the 4K releases of this film and think the Lionsgate one is superior. I'm sure there will be some, but the folks that have actually seen this disc so far don't seem among them.

Actually I was already in this camp even before the screenshots were posted.

I’ve seen hundreds of UHD discs and I think this the second worst HDR10 compression I’ve ever seen (behind only the French UHD of The Limey), and that’s based on watching it in motion with my own eyes. I found it intensely distracting and it’s so bad that it actually obscures fine detail at times, the most extreme and consistent offender being every time they show the house across the street where Michael keeps bringing his victims - the porch is a blocky, freezing mess and, as a result, looks much more poorly defined than it does on the (very good) Lionsgate UHD.

Obviously not everyone is sensitive to compression issues, and I’m sure the vast majority of people won’t notice or care about this. But until I get a setup that can handle Dolby Vision, I won’t be going back to this disc (unless I decide I just can’t stomach watching it with remixed audio, which is very possible lol)

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

Actually I was already in this camp even before the screenshots were posted.

I’ve seen hundreds of UHD discs and I think this the second worst HDR10 compression I’ve ever seen (behind only the French UHD of The Limey), and that’s based on watching it in motion with my own eyes. I found it intensely distracting and it’s so bad that it actually obscures fine detail at times, the most extreme and consistent offender being every time they show the house across the street where Michael keeps bringing his victims - the porch is a blocky, freezing mess and, as a result, looks much more poorly defined than it does on the (very good) Lionsgate UHD.

Obviously not everyone is sensitive to compression issues, and I’m sure the vast majority of people won’t notice or care about this. But until I get a setup that can handle Dolby Vision, I won’t be going back to this disc (unless I decide I just can’t stomach watching it with remixed audio, which is very possible lol)

I have always seen them a mile off, and the shots are terrible so in motion it must be beyond bad

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

I'm liking it more and more, with every grim page of this thread.

But the slipcovers!

[Conan The Barbarian]

Man, I must not know how to watch a movie.

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

But the slipcovers!

I've replaced the Shout slipcover with the Criterion LD sleeve and now I'm getting the original mono soundtrack as a option on the Shout release.