Unpopular Movie Opinions: Part III

[mwynn]

Catwoman is not comic accurate? So what about Bane and Ras.

[John1701D]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Congratulations to Christ-opher Johnathan James Nolan

You're not 21, you're 12.

[Darthvaderrocks]

TDKR's Bane is the best live action portrayal, and it is by far more accurate than the flaccid portrayal of Catwoman in Batman Returns.

David S. Goyer: I first brought up Bane and Chris was initially horrified. And I said "Hold on, hold on, hold on." This will be the Nolan version of Bane.

Christopher Nolan: His appearance in comics is very fanciful and wouldn't work in my opinion, in our world at all. So we needed to find the Dark Knight Rises version of what that would be.



However, they didn't change him completely, they merely adapted him to the movie's setting of a grounded, and realistic comic book world:

His background of intelligence and prison is still pretty accurate.

Even if the movie Bane might not be as pumped as his comic book source material, like in comics with that type of mask but his physical strenght is still a major aspect of him. He is quite a heavy and chunky man with muscles of a man who easily beats Batman in a physical fight. And this was the primary motivation for choosing Bane in the first place according to Nolan:

Christopher Nolan: In trying to cast the villain, trying to decide who the villain would be it was very important to me that it be a physical force. And a very directed militaristic force. And Bane seemed the ideal character to take on the physical threat to Batman.

David S. Goyer: He's a creepy very physical character. Somebody who's been physically distorted.

Christian Bale: Obvously wanting to make sure that physically Bane is superior. And this is the first time that Batman has come across anybody who is superior.

The Venom aspect also was not entirely dropped but just heavily toned down into a mere face-mask supplying him with anaesthetics or painkillers.o it is pretty much a realistic interpretation of Venom, given the fact those did give him some strenght.

He might not look like a "Mexican wrestler", but his mask is still an important and menacing feature of him, as I have showed in the picture and if adapted a bit to his supposedly militaristic background as a terrorist, and his backstory it works well.

Christopher Nolan: We knew we wanted the mask, but we wanted it to have more of a militaristic military hardware sort of feel to it. And a sense of it having a practical application even when it's got a menacing appearance...We talked a lot with Tom about this, about which parts his eyes and eyebrows and stuff he wanted to be able to use to be expressive.

Emma Thomas: It makes Bane that much more scary frankly, that you can read in his eyes the passion with which he wants to take down Gothan and Batman.
As to the clothes they are also less "hilarious" or "fanciful" but more functional, emphasizing his militeristic/mercenary background but also playing a little with the revolutionary aspect.

Christopher Nolan: We wanted him to look like a mercenary, like a military man. Somebody that you could believe would storm into an environment with his men and present a very very real threat...There is also an element of what I'd call "romaticism" to him. The Tale of Two Cities thing we're trying to get in there with Bane.

Lindy Hemming: The whole idea that he's a revolutionary of some sort that's gone wrong. So the coat is taking a sort of Swedish Army coat, which is the first thing I saw. And trying to give it a French Revolution period coat shape a little bit as well.

[John1701D]

Posts like that make me pray for the return of Valerius Walls.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by John1701D

You're not 21, you're 12.

I told you to not tag me again.



Nolan made every single CBM director in history, past and present, his personal sidekick when he created this flawless masterpiece, and from the looks of solo movies like WW84, Captain Marvel and "films" like Dulltron, Endgame and Apocalyspr and their flaccid reception, will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

[mwynn]

There have been two live action Bane's neither are comic accurate.
What about Ras?
Also Talia?
And the Catwoman in the movie you are fawning over.

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Congratulations to Christ-opher Johnathan James Nolan for completely expunging Burton's entire filmography from the minds of future film watchers and curb-stomping him right out of pop culture relevance

DC confirms Michael Keaton will return as Batman

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by John1701D

Posts like that make me pray for the return of Valerius Walls.

How about we have neither.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

DC confirms Michael Keaton will return as Batman

Also the Batman 89 comic.

[John1701D]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

I told you to not tag me again.



Nolan made every single CBM director in history, past and present, his personal sidekick when he created this flawless masterpiece, and from the looks of solo movies like WW84, Captain Marvel and "films" like Dulltron, Endgame and Apocalyspr and their flaccid reception, will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Two things. You cannot tell me not to mention your name and second I thought you were putting me on ignore..

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by mwynn

There have been two live action Bane's neither are comic accurate.
What about Ras?
Also Talia?
And the Catwoman in the movie you are fawning over.

I'll get back to you in a min, anyways there were some changes but they're still 100% more accurate and better portrayals than Burton's.

Some changes happened also to other comic book movies, in negatives (Age of Ultron) and positives (Ang Lee's Hulk).

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

DC confirms Michael Keaton will return as Batman

Keaton is a great actor, it's just the writing who did not work.

Originally Posted by John1701D

Two things. You cannot tell me not to mention your name and second I thought you were putting me on ignore..

If you answer to one of my post, I still see a notification. Therefore, I will reply to them. It's simple as that.

The only reason I said that is because we are not gonna see eye to eye, and it's perfectly fine.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

I'll get back to you in a min, anyways there were some changes but they're still 100% more accurate and better portrayals than Burton's.

Some changes happened also to other comic book movies, in negatives (Age of Ultron) and positives (Ang Lee's Hulk).



Keaton is a great actor, it's just the writing who did not work.

Considering them better that other versions does not make them comic accurate. This is just an example of what you are willing to accept.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by John1701D

Two things. You cannot tell me not to mention your name and second I thought you were putting me on ignore..

Me too, I am looking forward to making the list again.

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Keaton is a great actor, it's just the writing who did not work.

But...

completely expunging Burton's entire filmography from the minds of future film watchers and curb-stomping him right out of pop culture relevance

Odd move, since nobody remembers him.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Considering them better that other versions does not make them comic accurate. This is just an example of what you are willing to accept.

I never said Ang's Lee Hulk is 100% comic accurate, but it's better than the Ruffalo version. There has to be some kind of characterization or qualities of the character itself.

Ra's is comic accurate;

Ra's Al Ghul's motive is ecological, he wants to restore world peace and bring order to the world, so he goes by the end justify the means trope. His main plan was it killing almost all of humanity and preserving nature. Thus, the League is captures the heart of the comics, while also being quite different.

Talia's backstory, motivation and revenge plot is nothing strange, so does the look.

I don't think I have to explain you about Catwoman, one episode of Batman: The Animated Series would be sufficient.

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

But...



Odd move, since nobody remembers him.

Nobody remembers Burton, but Keaton starred in some good films like Birdman recently.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

I never said Ang's Lee Hulk is 100% comic accurate, but it's better than the Ruffalo version. There has to be some kind of characterization or qualities of the character itself.

Ra's is comic accurate;

Ra's Al Ghul's motive is ecological, he wants to restore world peace and bring order to the world, so he goes by the end justify the means trope. His main plan was it killing almost all of humanity and preserving nature. Thus, the League is captures the heart of the comics, while also being quite different.

Talia's backstory, motivation and revenge plot is nothing strange, so does the look.

I don't think I have to explain you about Catwoman, one episode of Batman: The Animated Series would be sufficient.



Nobody remembers Burton, but Keaton starred in some good films like Birdman recently.

I did not mention or reference Ang Lee's Hulk you did. I did not reference Marvel, you did.

You can try to explain it away all you want. They are not comic accurate.
All you have done is drag down one set of movies using the term comic accurate. Yet are okay with the inaccuracy in another set of movies.

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Nobody remembers Burton, but Keaton starred in some good films like Birdman recently.

They must be losing some serious money on these:

[Gizz]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Batman Returns is straight up trash in every single measurable level, with horrible dialogue and characters, a fake looking and not comic accurate Catwoman, and Batman being a SIDE character, an inconsistent tone between campy and dark, a ridiculous villain plot, and fake, staged action scenes.







The best part about Nolan's magnificent trilogy, is not just the fact that it makes Burton's abominations seem like the generic, poorly written, poorly acted, with laughable villains, style-over-substance, dark and campy and non accurate mess they truly are, but have allowed the masses to take a look at Burton's entire directorial resume and see it for the overhyped tripe it's been since the Emo version of Edward James Olmos blackened cinema over 3 decades ago. Films like Pee Wee's Big Adventure is being referred to more and more as "Jar Jar Binks: The Prequel" with every passing year, and the vast majority of his Depp collabs have been exposed for the flat, repetitive narratives and cliche stock characters they've always displayed.

Congratulations to Christ-opher Johnathan James Nolan for completely expunging Burton's entire filmography from the minds of future film watchers and curb-stomping him right out of pop culture relevance

How can some people like this movie more than Fight Club or The Dark Knight Rises here, amazes me.

Well prepare to be amazed because I do think that Batman Returns is Way better then both Fight Club which I hated. You do know that Batman is a side character in the Dark Knight Rises as well.

Honestly this Nolan worshipping cult is getting silly. I get it you don't like Tim Button's work but there are people own her who do. Deal with it.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by mwynn

I did not mention or reference Ang Lee's Hulk you did. I did not reference Marvel, you did.

You can try to explain it away all you want. They are not comic accurate.
All you have done is drag down one set of movies using the term comic accurate. Yet are okay with the inaccuracy in another set of movies.

I made an example. I could say the same for DCEU Luthor, which is just Eisenberg overacting, there have been accurate and non accurate portrayals.

They are 100% comic accurate.

Originally Posted by Gizz

Well prepare to be amazed because I do think that Batman Returns is Way better then both Fight Club which I hated. You do know that Batman is a side character in the Dark Knight Rises as well.

Honestly this Nolan worshipping cult is getting silly. I get it you don't like Tim Button's work but there are people own her who do. Deal with it.

TDKR is a Bruce Wayne story, he has a fair share of screentime and an actual character arc, from a reclusive Howard Hughes figure to the symbol of Gotham.

Yes, I'm just giving my opinion. I do not really see how Batman Returns is even comparable to The Game or Alien 3, how do people believe that film is better than Fight Club? Can you enlighten me?

I simply stated an unpopular opinion, since it seems like BR being out in that level is popular nowdays.

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

They must be losing some serious money on these:

First one is good-ish, other two are unwatchable..

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

I made an example. I could say the same for DCEU Luthor, which is just Eisenberg overacting, there have been accurate and non accurate portrayals.

They are 100% comic accurate.

Why do you keep deflecting. We are not talking about Luthor. Try to focus. Bane, Ras, and Talia. Not comic accurate.

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