Predator 3D Blu-ray (1987) [Region Locked]

[Spooked]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

"Limited Collector's Edition in the Steelbook. With magnetically fixed 3D lenticular cover.

Lenticular cover as a magnet can be used (Steelbook printed with motif). FSK Label of the removable cover. Uncut film version, with extensive bonus material on the 2D Blu-ray (Ultimate Hunter Edition).

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/B...%3FlangId%3D-3

I won't tell you I told you so, yet.

So wait, you're saying the 2-D version is the same crappy Hunter Edition?

Or it's just the special features that are ported over? I'm still holding out hope here...

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Spooked

So wait, you're saying the 2-D version is the same crappy Hunter Edition?

Or it's just the special features that are ported over? I'm still holding out hope here...

I had made the point several pages ago that the easiest and cheapest way to provide the special features, which will not fit on the 3D BD is to include the Ultimate Hunter Edition as the second disk. The 3D disk will play in either 3D or 2D on 3D equipment and it will play in 2D on 2D equipment. The function of the Ultimate Hunter Edition is to provide a source for the special features, the movie on the disk is redundant.

I am not sure how reliable the info on the German site is.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Movie 3D approximates it better than movie 2D. Patience, there is a holodeck in your future.

Luckily, movies aren't really supposed to replicate real life. I don't recall ever seeing a Predator in reality, so if that's your argument, then there's no need to see it in 3-D.

[AmishParadise]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I'll probably stick with my current copy of the original release, since it looks fine to my eyes...

I have this version as well. Not interested in double dipping unless there is an improved 2D version offered in whatever form.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I had made the point several pages ago that the easiest and cheapest way to provide the special features, which will not fit on the 3D BD is to include the Ultimate Hunter Edition as the second disk. The 3D disk will play in either 3D or 2D on 3D equipment and it will play in 2D on 2D equipment. The function of the Ultimate Hunter Edition is to provide a source for the special features, the movie on the disk is redundant.

I am not sure how reliable the info on the German site is.

That's a big assumption regarding the 3D being able to play back on 2D machines. On every combo that I've come across which has separate 2D and 3D discs, the 3D platter is locked out, i.e. it'll play on 3D gear only.

I'm not saying that Fox won't enable 2D playback on the Predator 3D disc, just that history is against the likelihood of it happening, should this 2D disc prove to be the extant UHE and not the newly remastered version (in the case of the latter then the 2D viewers won't care if the 3D is locked or not).

[AmishParadise]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's a big assumption regarding the 3D being able to play back on 2D machines. On every combo that I've come across which has separate 2D and 3D discs, the 3D platter is locked out, i.e. it'll play on 3D gear only.

I'm not saying that Fox won't enable 2D playback on the Predator 3D disc, just that history is against the likelihood of it happening, should this 2D disc prove to be the extant UHE and not the newly remastered version (in the case of the latter then the 2D viewers won't care if the 3D is locked or not).

The video intended for the left eye only could be extracted for playback if a proper 2D version is not offered that improved upon prior 2D releases though talk of how this would be done is prohibited here on the forums. Enough said. :-)

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's a big assumption regarding the 3D being able to play back on 2D machines. On every combo that I've come across which has separate 2D and 3D discs, the 3D platter is locked out, i.e. it'll play on 3D gear only.

I'm not saying that Fox won't enable 2D playback on the Predator 3D disc, just that history is against the likelihood of it happening, should this 2D disc prove to be the extant UHE and not the newly remastered version (in the case of the latter then the 2D viewers won't care if the 3D is locked or not).

The I, Robot disk is exactly the same, which was the first in this series of 3D conversions by Fox using the JVC workstation. It is not much of an assumption at all.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The I, Robot disk is exactly the same, which was the first in this series of 3D conversions by Fox using the JVC workstation. It is not much of an assumption at all.

*le sigh* I, Robot didn't come with a separate 2D Blu-ray disc, so it was encoded to allow 2D and 3D playback. The point I was making is that IF Predator 3D comes with a separate 2D disc, then there's a very good chance that the 3D version will be locked out, if Top Gun, Jurassic Park, Prometheus and Titanic were any indication. Wolverine 3D will be a good litmus test of this hypothesis, as with one 3D disc and two 2D platters, there will be no need to enable 2D playback of the 3D version.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

*le sigh* I, Robot didn't come with a separate 2D Blu-ray disc, so it was encoded to allow 2D and 3D playback. The point I was making is that IF Predator 3D comes with a separate 2D disc, then there's a very good chance that the 3D version will be locked out, if Top Gun, Jurassic Park, Prometheus and Titanic were any indication. Wolverine 3D will be a good litmus test of this hypothesis, as with one 3D disc and two 2D platters, there will be no need to enable 2D playback of the 3D version.

It might be locked out, but I doubt it. There is no guarantee that the same transfer used for the UHE was used for the 3D conversion. The differences would warrant both 2D versions be included. As I said the inclusion of the UHE is the most economical way to provide the extras.

With the I.Robot 3D, 2 disk release, extras were provided on a DVD

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

It might be locked out, but I doubt it. There is no guarantee that the same transfer used for the UHE was used for the 3D conversion. The differences would warrant both 2D versions be included. As I said the inclusion of the UHE is the most economical way to provide the extras.

With the I.Robot 3D, 2 disk release, extras were provided on a DVD

What, the same way that the differences on Top Gun and Jurassic Park warranted that the 2D version of the new transfer "be included"? In other words: it wasn't. Even the 1.78 version of Titanic wasn't made available for 2D-only folks.

The DVD included with I, Robot was the movie disc, which had a few audio commentaries but lacked the main extras which came on a second DVD in the 2-disc DVD version.

So I wouldn't put too much stock into the 'UHE purely as extras disc' angle; if Fox decide that it counts as the 2D version of the movie, then don't bank on the remastered 3D version being 2D compatible.

I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

What, the same way that the differences on Top Gun and Jurassic Park warranted that the 2D version of the new transfer "be included"? In other words: it wasn't. Even the 1.78 version of Titanic wasn't made available for 2D-only folks.

The DVD included with I, Robot was the movie disc, which had a few audio commentaries but lacked the main extras which came on a second DVD in the 2-disc DVD version.

So I wouldn't put too much stock into the 'UHE purely as extras disc' angle; if Fox decide that it counts as the 2D version of the movie, then don't bank on the remastered 3D version being 2D compatible.

I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

Not long to wait. Don't forget to read the post on xvYCC in the MI4K thread. You might learn something.

[Blu-21]

I can't see the actual 3D version (which uses the new master) being ALSO playable in 2D as well on actual 2D-only HDTVs, and then have the UHE there as another 2D viewing option too. This whole package deal sounds a bit redundant, although I would love to be proven wrong.

[RyanPom]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

I can't see the actual 3D version (which uses the new master) being ALSO playable in 2D as well on actual 2D-only HDTVs, and then have the UHE there as another 2D viewing option too. This whole package deal sounds a bit redundant, although I would love to be proven wrong.

It would be a shame if they just included a 3D, and a 5 year old blu ray disc in the set like they did with Top Gun.

[Akijama]

Release date: December 17

PLEASE NOTE: This title includes a Blu-ray 3D disc, which is only compatible with 3D Blu-ray players and Playstation 3. A standard Blu-ray is also included which will play on all standard Blu-ray players.

The ultimate hunter meets the ultimate adversary in this action packed adventure filled with intense combat scenes and spectacular special effects. Arnold Schwarzenegger wages an all-out war against an unseen enemy, a force more powerful and deadly than any on Earth - because the Predator is not of this Earth.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Akijama

Release date: December 17

What is your source, for the statement stating the 3D has the 2D locked?

That would be the worst possible news for several people in this thread, who are hoping for a re master. It would virtually guarantee that the transfer used for the 3D is the same as the one used for the UHE.

Supporting my belief that the 3D disk will play on both 3D and 2D equipment:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Predator-Blu.../dp/B00E5Z13UW

Check the description and the number of Disks. The term Blu-ray 3D+2D is the description used for a 3D/2D disk. The number of disks is 1. This is not the Steelbook shown on the German site.

[Spooked]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

What is your source, for the statement stating the 3D has the 2D locked?

That would be the worst possible news for several people in this thread, who are hoping for a re master. It would virtually guarantee that the transfer used for the 3D is the same as the one used for the UHE.

Supporting my belief that the 3D disk will play on both 3D and 2D equipment:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Predator-Blu.../dp/B00E5Z13UW

Check the description and the number of Disks. The term Blu-ray 3D+2D is the description used for a 3D/2D disk. The number of disks is 1. This is not the Steelbook shown on the German site.

Well, the description title now reads: Predator (Blu-ray 3D + Blu-ray) [1987].

I'm not sure using Amazon as a guide for accuracy is ever a good idea, either. I'd love for this to all come out great, but I'm a 'glass half-empty' kind of guy. I imagine Fox'll screw the fans over again. I think I'll stick with my first release non-Hunter edition.

[HeavyHitter]

I don't believe they are using or re-cycling the UHE for anything.

I think this is an all new transfer for 2D and 3D.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I don't believe they are using or re-cycling the UHE for anything.

I think this is an all new transfer for 2D and 3D.

So, you think the listing for the German Steelbook showing the 2nd disk as the UHE is inaccurate? The release date, 5 December, is only 49 days away. How long before review disks go out?

[TheDrunkenSpy]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I don't believe they are using or re-cycling the UHE for anything.

I think this is an all new transfer for 2D and 3D.

One can only hope, HeavyHitter. The noise reduction job applied to the Ultimate Hunter Edition of "Predator" is one of the biggest insults to movie aficionados that I've ever seen.

Granted, the previous Blu ray of "Predator" before the UHE edition won't win any transfer of year award, but to completely try to scrub away all the grain til there's nothing left is just unreasonable. If I wanted to see wax figures, I'd go to one of those frickin' museums.

[GuruAskew]

The Ultimate Hunter's Edition mentioned could easily be a new disc with a new transfer on it along with the old extras. The Terminator reissue could have dropped extras or added extras but it's practically identical to the first one aside from the obvious new transfer.