UltraHD Blurays and players will start coming by Christmas 2015. Still buying blurays

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Be careful, these people have a feet/inches viewing distance chart to show you

I know what the chart says. What it doesn't factor is color.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I know what the chart says. What it doesn't factor is color.

Or facts

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Or facts

It's based on 20/20 vision or so was published.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Now??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoEj...ature=youtu.be

notice that even video shot of video displayed on the screen looks like video shot of the real thing.

You can throw all the arc seconds mumbo jumbo you want out, but the fact remains that the real world is a nearly infinite resolution (if you consider atoms pixels), and you're going to have to get a heck of a lot closer to that resolution before you're able to truly trick the brain into thinking what it's looking at is real.

The example I give is simple. When I can put a display showing an image of the Mona Lisa next to the real Mona Lisa, and can not pick out which one is which no matter how close I get or how long I look, I will say we've reached the "maximum" practical resolution.

Adding to that, displays must also strive to be able to display over 100% of the visible spectrum, with plenty of room in wavelengths on either end.

Finally, they must exceed the dynamic range of the human eye by a safe margin. That means luminescence from 10^-6 cd/m^3 or less all the way up to 10^8 cd/m^2


After they can meet all of those specs, they can call it a day and work on something else

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It's based on 20/20 vision or so was published.

they're also based on a VERY rudimentary extrapolation of what the "resolution" of the eye is that doesn't take into account eye movement or the way the human eye and brain combination actually stitches together images.

hint: the eye doesn't work like the CCD in a camera

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by spectre08

After they can meet all of those specs, they can call it a day and work on something else

Robot eyes to make us see these screens more clearly!

[Leterface]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Streaming

Developed UHD BD from real 4k sources should allready provide endless opportunities to grab (our) money. Hell they can allways update the format to support 200GB discs after the tech is developed enough.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by m3racer123

Robot eyes to make us see these screens more clearly!

I'd settle for images broadcast directly into the brain telepathically

[octagon]

blah blah blah pixels blah blah blah colors blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

I want bigger, I want lighter, I want thinner, I want cheaper.

Make it so.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by octagon

blah blah blah pixels blah blah blah colors blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

I want bigger, I want lighter, I want thinner, I want cheaper.

Make it so.

I want the flexible LG OLED that sticks to the wall with magnets

LG OLED TV 4K REVIEW: super-thin OLED screen - YouTube

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It's based on 20/20 vision or so was published.

I was referring to bullshit like this

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Streaming

Most likely, but looking how it's gone in the past I cannot believe companies like Sony or Universal will never put out 8k discs.
Colour TV - VCR VHS beta
Better flat screen TVs plasma etc - DVD
Improved plasma life, led HD TVs - Blu Ray
4K TVs - UHD 4K blu Ray (or whatever it's called)
8k TVs - they suddenly stop? Really? Chance of making money?


I've always said unlikely to be 8k, more likely like Ghostbusters or the first wave of announced UHD, packaged palmed off as 8k. Maybe this is why we've waited for The Abyss

They just like to milk us but not necessarily give the actual product.

As I said in my first post, this 8k tv announcement that comes out already next month I think is relivent to the argument/debate we've been having about how UHD will do out in the open market. Just as UHD being lumped in with Blu Ray on the marketing could confuse many to not bother changing/upgrading (I'm one that's sticking with buying Blu and waiting until I need a new TV to go 4K), announcing 8k around the start of 4K might also hinder its chances.

That's all my point of introducing this to the conversation was.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I want the flexible LG OLED that sticks to the wall with magnets

LG OLED TV 4K REVIEW: super-thin OLED screen - YouTube

Stuff like that is freaking amazing. And how cool would a constant-height, variable AR direct view display be?

We're getting there.

[42041]

Originally Posted by spectre08

You can throw all the arc seconds mumbo jumbo you want out, but the fact remains that the real world is a nearly infinite resolution (if you consider atoms pixels), and you're going to have to get a heck of a lot closer to that resolution before you're able to truly trick the brain into thinking what it's looking at is real.

Things I learned on Blu-ray.com today: human vision is INFINITE

Give me a break. Going back some years to the release of the Braveheart blu-ray, very few people on AV forums noticed that the first reel or two had some kind of aliasing/pixelation artifact that is fairly obvious on close inspection (admittedly, average TVs were smaller then). If most people can't see such artifacts in a 1080p image, they're clearly not seeing 1080p's worth of information.

And of course, 8k content simply doesn't exist right now.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by 42041

Things I learned on Blu-ray.com today: human vision is INFINITE

I will never forget reading a Computer Shopper cover story that argued that 486 processors would be delegated to servers because desktop users would never need that much power.

Human vision might not be infinite but our appetites are another story.

[motorheadache95]

8K sounds ridiculous. I'm very skeptical they would try to sell 8K TVs and movies in the future. 4K is already straining people's interest and the laws of diminishing returns. Even 4K enthusiasts are hyping up the color-depth as being the more interesting and noticeable part of the picture upgrade.

They're going to have to do something different when they try to move on from 4K. Like 3D holo-projection or something to impress people. There would be virtually no reason to buy an 8K TV for your home.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

8K sounds ridiculous. I'm very skeptical they would try to sell 8K TVs and movies in the future. 4K is already straining people's interest and the laws of diminishing returns. Even 4K enthusiasts are hyping up the color-depth as being the more interesting and noticeable part of the picture upgrade.

They're going to have to do something different when they try to move on from 4K. Like 3D holo-projection or something to impress people. There would be virtually no reason to buy an 8K TV for your home.

Twenty-thirty years ago a 21" living room tv was pretty big and a 32"-36" was really big and 50" rear projection were huge, appliance-sized beasts.

Today people are hanging 50" screens in their bedrooms.

Who knows what displays are going to look like in twenty years.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I was referring to bullshit like this

[Show spoiler]

This chart is being ran on Yahoo's main page right now with this article: http://lifehacker.com/can-you-tell-t...-4k-1731323537

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

This chart is being ran on Yahoo's main page right now with this article: http://lifehacker.com/can-you-tell-t...-4k-1731323537

Check the comments, there are still people there talking about a DVD player that can upscale to near HD quality! Gadzooks, doth such wizardry exist? It's like Blu-ray was never invented, never mind UHD.

Face it folks, as far as the general population is concerned progress peaked with frozen pizza DVD, everything else since then has been a case of ever-diminishing returns.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by octagon

Twenty-thirty years ago a 21" living room tv was pretty big and a 32"-36" was really big and 50" rear projection were huge, appliance-sized beasts.

Today people are hanging 50" screens in their bedrooms.

Who knows what displays are going to look like in twenty years.

Well I agree, but my point is that these companies can't just attempt to sell people on 8K flat-panel TVs 8-10 years from now. It'd have to be something radically different, like some kind of virtual reality or holographic thing or something like that.

I watch Blu-Rays on a roughly 120" projector screen, and even then I still can't get excited about 4K really. And there isnt a chance in hell I would be interested in going from 4K to 8K, unless I was rich and had my own personal IMAX theater room