Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The size of the DV layer means little in relation to what the HDR10 looks like in itself, I mean check that average bitrate: 71 Mb/s, are you kidding me? That’s FAR higher than most studio UHDs…and yet somehow it’s still farting out all the blockiness. Why, it’s almost as if you can’t just throw a high bitrate at something and expect it to be properly attuned to the content that’s being compressed. It didn’t take long for Shout to revert to their old ways on UHD, did it? As you alluded to, it’s like they aksed StudioCanal for the number of the place that does their usual shite

Yes, I didn’t mean that just because the DV layer is around that size it will always mean the HDR10 layer won’t look as good. I meant that, in this particular case, it does explain why we’re seeing a difference in compression between the DV and HDR10 layer. That in this case the DV layer adds a good amount of data which gets rid of a lot of that funky compression. I still think the HDR10 layer doesn’t look bad overall in motion, as most shots seem to look completely fine, but at the same time it doesn’t look as good as it does in DV.

But yes, it’s definitely true that bitrate on the HDR10 layer alone should be more than enough to provide a good encode. But like I said, it’s like they just check the result in DV but completely ignore the HDR10-only results. Sometimes I wished they just used MEL, that’d way they’d see how the compression would look in HDR10 since DV MEL is just metadata (which is what Arrow uses in their DV 4K discs).

[Neutron82]

since my oppo and lg oled had the dv bugs ironed out I haven't watched a 4k disc in hdr10 since, checking this disc was the first time I have turned off dv in quite some time... just curious but are there any scenarios where hdr10 would be preferred?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by samlop10

Yes, I didn’t mean that just because the DV layer is around that size it will always mean the HDR10 layer won’t look as good. I meant that, in this particular case, it does explain why we’re seeing a difference in compression between the DV and HDR10 layer. That in this case the DV layer adds a good amount of data which gets rid of a lot of that funky compression. I still think the HDR10 layer doesn’t look bad overall in motion, as most shots seem to look completely fine, but at the same time it doesn’t look as good as it does in DV.

But yes, it’s definitely true that bitrate on the HDR10 layer alone should be more than enough to provide a good encode. But like I said, it’s like they just check the result in DV but completely ignore the HDR10-only results. Sometimes I wished they just used MEL, that’d way they’d see how the compression would look in HDR10 since DV MEL is just metadata (which is what Arrow uses in their DV 4K discs).

Sorry Sam, I misunderstood what you meant. Yes, the chunky monkey FEL is mos def the reason why Dobly playback is going to look more finely resolved and is why the encoding looks fine to most people, it’s because it is! But for people rocking HDR10 only…

[Telemachus]

Originally Posted by NebulaM78

If Anchor Bay had released this version we would have had to read, "This is HALLOWEEN like you've really, truly, sincerely, REALLY, never seen or heard it before."

I still rock all my Anchor Bay Blu Ray discs, always feels like 2007 in here. Masters of Horror Volume 1-4, Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead, Evil Dead I and II.

[SleazyForWeasley]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

If you have a 60 Hz TV (59.94), wouldn’t it convert playback from 24fps to 23.976? (Not that it matters; this is just for my own nerdy edification.)

Not necessarily. Maybe it would depend on the source? Amazon Fire Sticks were notoriously bad because they were programmed to run at a flat 24 fps a few years ago and that caused all sorts of frame rate issues on whatever TV I was running at the time. I tried contacting Amazon and of course their CS reps know absolutely nothing, but I believe if you google Fire Stick Frame Rate you'll see lots of issues. I've since upgraded streaming and display equipment, so that issue is gone for me.

[Conan The Barbarian]

I’m expecting the release of these movies tomorrow to be a complete cluster****.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

That’s what I mean. I wasn’t talking about TVs that can display at 24 Hz. I’m talking about 60 Hz TVs, which are really 59.94. If you play a disc that’s encoded at 23.976 fps, then the TV will do 3:2 pulldown and multiply the frames by 2.5 so that it conforms to the 59.94 Hz refresh rate. But if the disc is 24 fps, 3:2 pulldown won’t work (I think…?) because then you will have 60 fps displayed on a 59.94 Hz TV, and that’s what made me wonder if there would be problem displaying a 24 fps disc on a 59.94 Hz TV.

It seems that the filmmaking industry doesn’t share your concerns: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1629438832

Someone from Disnee is leading that charge against non-integer frame rates and so it’s not a surprise that several recent D+ shows have been finished out to and streamed at 24fps exactly.

[dtyndall]

Just got done watching this. I noticed two occasions (usually after lengthy dark scenes) where the image got suddenly brighter. I have an OLED, so maybe it’s an issue related to the ABL?

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by dtyndall

Just got done watching this. I noticed two occasions (usually after lengthy dark scenes) where the image got suddenly brighter. I have an OLED, so maybe it’s an issue related to the ABL?

Very likely from what you’re describing. I had to get into the service menu on my E6 and shut that off it was so irritating (not on this disc, the one that drove me nuts was Unforgiven).

[tehthomas]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

You get the wrong impression.

I mean yeah, the geometry is correct now, the colors are much better, there’s more fine object detail, the ratio is consistent, the mono is included, and it’s from the negative instead of the interpositive, but otherwise, there’s really nothing better about it.

When people ask if members here just sit down and enjoy movies anymore, it’s things like this they’re referring to. You’ve effectively talked yourself out of a great release based on one review (that’s a 4.5/5 for PQ, mind you) because the reviewer didn’t seem enthused *enough* and are thinking there’s not much of an improvement despite those of us who’ve actually watched the thing telling you that there is.

This forum is great, and it’s an invaluable resource, but it also makes me pretty sad sometimes. There are so many supposed issues with these releases that I would probably never see or hear if it weren’t for people around here wringing their hands over every little thing. I guarantee if I based my buying decisions on these forums exclusively, I’d own maybe ten 4K discs.

Here's the thing - I already have the Lionsgate UHD. And the 35th anniv blu-ray. And I said I was sitting on the sidelines FOR NOW. I'm just not rushing out to buy it day one.. like I did the other UHD.

I sincerely didn't mean to get you down. I was just calling the review like I see it -- oddly neutral.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by tehthomas

Here's the thing - I already have the Lionsgate UHD. And the 35th anniv blu-ray. And I said I was sitting on the sidelines FOR NOW. I'm just not rushing out to buy it day one.. like I did the other UHD.

I sincerely didn't mean to get you down. I was just calling the review like I see it -- oddly neutral.

Fair ‘nough.

[Neutron82]

Originally Posted by dtyndall

Just got done watching this. I noticed two occasions (usually after lengthy dark scenes) where the image got suddenly brighter. I have an OLED, so maybe it’s an issue related to the ABL?

what player do you have?... I had this happen a couple of times when my stuff first got dv firmware updates, I had to switch the hdr setting to "tv-led" on my oppo 203 and it hasn't happened since (tv is a c7 oled)

[RyanMatthew]

Originally Posted by dtyndall

Just got done watching this. I noticed two occasions (usually after lengthy dark scenes) where the image got suddenly brighter. I have an OLED, so maybe it’s an issue related to the ABL?

I fixed that by replacing my LG OLED with a Sony A9G. The LG would always dim on dark scenes from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and then I would have to bring up the info tab or the picture settings to 'wake it up.' God, I hated that TV.

[zepol]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

This forum is great, and it’s an invaluable resource, but it also makes me pretty sad sometimes. There are so many supposed issues with these releases that I would probably never see or hear if it weren’t for people around here wringing their hands over every little thing. I guarantee if I based my buying decisions on these forums exclusively, I’d own maybe ten 4K discs.

Because of this forum I have bought like 10 blurays and 4k that I shouldn't have because they were rated too high.

[zepol]

Originally Posted by RyanMatthew

I fixed that by replacing my LG OLED with a Sony A9G. The LG would always dim on dark scenes from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and then I would have to bring up the info tab or the picture settings to 'wake it up.' God, I hated that TV.

I have a SAMSUNG 80in. 4k tv and when I watched Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon it looked like crap.

[geomon]

Amazon just delayed my copy until the 13th.

[JohnV2016]

Looks like Amazon.ca charged me for 1 and 3, and for some reason (like others) not 2. Should be getting them by 10pm tomorrow.

[jpilla415]

Caps are up: https://caps-a-holic.com/c_list.php?c=6126

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by jpilla415

Caps are up: https://caps-a-holic.com/c_list.php?c=6126

Looking at this one speficially:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...179007&i=3&l=0

Worth noting that I think they have incorrectly labelled this as 100nits, as this scene appears to be what I get at 150 (also their sky is brighter and grainer than mine looks, which can be achieved through highlight recovery, measuring each frame's peak luminance, and possibly a custom curve, though all the rest of the shot is the same as 150nits). Just a little disclaimer why our screenshots differ. I had highlight recovery disabled and measure each frame's peak luminance disabled.

Here's an example of what I mean with the compression though:



What a difference a few frames makes!
(Again, not a dealbreaker for me. Just worth pointing out. It's much harder to spot in motion)

Always take screenshots with a pinch of salt, kids.

[jess1581]

Has anyone bothered looking at the blu ray in this set? I know it must be awful and simply ghastly to even put your 4k fingers on such an inferior disc, but seeing as how BD.Com didn't really bother saying anything about it, just like to know how it fares against the 35th edition.