The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[amoergosum]

A new comment from an AVS forum member who has watched the EE LOTR Blu-ray trilogy >>>

We have a professionally calibrated SONY 1080p projector and a 100 inch STEWART Firehawk SST screen. I had heard about the green tint issue and the complaints that the EE Blueray of Fellowship of the Ring was dark so I purposly watched it in "high lamp mode" and bumped up the brightness setting. Even after doing this, the film looked muddy and way too dark. The green tint is there and it is UGLY. It results in an image that is muddy and TOO DARK! It is like watching the first film through sunglasses. The scenes that take place in the mines of Moriah are almost unwatchable because the image is so dark,much of the detail is lost and you can not tell what is happening. One example is the killing of the cave troll. It is so dark, you can't see the arrows that kill him. By contrast, the second and third films are perfect color and brightness wise. For example, unlike FOTR, the night battle that takes place in Helms Deep is bright enough so that you can actually see the detail and what is going on.

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[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by NYorker

Faramir at that point would do anything to get the ring, even if it meant getting information out of Gollum by force. PJ certainly wouldn't add a beating just for the sake of it. There was a reasoning behind it.

I don't think that Faramir even really knew the ring was in Frodo's possession. He knew his brother went to Rivendell regarding rumors that Isildur's Bane had been found. Frodo never told them that Gollum was a part of the fellowship, all he pretty much said was that anyone against the enemy would do well to not be in his way. I don't think that the men of Gondor thought very much of hobbits. I think the beating of Gollum was more as punishment for the Forbidden Pool than extracting information of the One Ring. That was just a happy side effect.

Originally Posted by Troy73

See I'm not so sure. Before PJ was the acclaimed director he is now he cut his teeth on low budget and exploit horror films. He's really changed his style considerably over the years. However, even in his best work you can see little elements of old Peter Jackson come through. This may have been one of those moments.

This is kind of funny. I know his big breakout was supposed to be The Frighteners (which I loved) but Universal wanted him to turn in a PG-13, which the MPAA kept saying the movie was too scary and kept slapping on an R. Universal also, at that time, couldn't market themselves out of a paper bag and had a very strange marketing campaign for the film. No one knew what it was, just that Michael J. Fox was in it. So, it was released to very little fanfare and later found its market on video.

When Jackson shopped around LOTR, he went to Universal and they were basically shocked that Jackson was asking for even more money than The Frighteners to make three films to become flops. Of course, when LOTR was a massive success, Universal welcomed him back with open arms for King Kong.

I think it was Jackson's failure with The Frighteners that worked as the buffer between his B-movie roots and Hollywood blockbuster. I honestly don't feel that The Lord of the Rings would have been as good without it.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Troy73

I still say to this day that "The Mouth of Sauron" sequence should have been in both cuts. The fact that that scene didn't make it to the theatrical cut of ROTK blows my mind. Such a creepy and eerie scene. Messes with me every time I see it.

Me too man, one of the most eerie scenes I've ever seen in a movie.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

A new comment from an AVS forum member who has watched the EE LOTR Blu-ray trilogy >>>



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I'm not taking any review seriously from someone who can't spell Blu-ray correctly. Doesn't surprise me considering where you got this from. Didn't I tell you to stop trying to get any credible info from AVS? What do I have to do to get through to you. or .....

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Troy73

I'm not taking any review seriously from someone who can't spell Blu-ray correctly.

There's been a good deal of posts here of people who can't tell the difference between "there, their, or they're" and we take them semi-seriously!

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

There's been a good deal of posts here of people who can't tell the difference between "there, their, or they're" and we take them semi-seriously!

Yeah, I may be guilty of that myself. Maybe you have a point, on second thought.....Nope, still not taking it seriously.

[Rizor]

Originally Posted by Troy73

I still say to this day that "The Mouth of Sauron" sequence should have been in both cuts. The fact that that scene didn't make it to the theatrical cut of ROTK blows my mind. Such a creepy and eerie scene. Messes with me every time I see it.

The plotpoint (that they all think Frodo is dead) is an important one, but I hate Jackson and co.'s take on the Mouth of Sauron. He's a disgusting looking character that annoyingly spends his screentime mugging for the camera and the filmmakers thought it'd be cool to blow up the size of Bruce Spence's mouth.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Can you try the Hue change I suggested some posts ago to see if it "corrects" the green-tint for you? Remember to note the current Hue setting so that you can go back to it.

It certainly helped! I rock on five-year-old LG and had to do some continual tweaking by lowering the green as low as I could and boosting the red as high as I could. The resulting picture with the added six point green tint does help the picture look far more in line with the rest of the trilogy. However, it still is a little muddy due to the contrast issues and would love a replacement. This will do in the meantime.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

There's been a good deal of posts here of people who can't tell the difference between "there, their, or they're" and we take them semi-seriously!

Wow. Finally someone else is willing to say this. It drives me nuts when people here do stuff like that.

Here's a primer folks:

They're = they are. Example: They're going downtown to watch fireworks.
Their = possesive. Example: Their dog is pooping on my lawn.
There = place. Example: Their dog pooped over there.

They're not watching their dog and he pooped over there.

[Vinniejona]

The transfers made on all three films is a different ball game compared to the previous BD release.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I have now finished The Two Towers, and am happy to say that there were no color or contrast issues. I thoroughly enjoyed the increase in definition over the theatrical editions. I am still bothered by the character and plot differences between the movie and the book, not only by the oft-mentioned Faramir deviation, but by the treatment that Gollum receives at the hands of the Ithilien rangers after he is captured at the Forbidden Pool. The worst treatment he suffers in the book is to merely to be bound while he is brought to the cave of Henneth Annun. In the movie, he is punched by Faramir's men, and this in amplified in the EE compared to the TE. Completely senseless, and counter to the character of the Gondorian rangers.

I'm quite surprised, Grandbob, that dmaul1114 hasn't countered this post yet with the obligatory response that "it worked for the movies better" or he "liked that better than the books" or some such. It's like the universe is out of balance.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by radagast

Wow. Finally someone else is willing to say this. It drives me nuts when people here do stuff like that.

Here's a primer folks:

They're = they are. Example: They're going downtown to watch fireworks.
Their = possesive. Example: Their dog is pooping on my lawn.
There = place. Examnple: Their dog pooped over there.

They're not watching their dog and he pooped over there.

Wow! Irritates you to no end when people screw up spelling does it?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by radagast

Wow. Finally someone else is willing to say this. It drives me nuts when people here do stuff like that.

Here's a primer folks:

They're = they are. Example: They're going downtown to watch fireworks.
Their = possesive. Example: Their dog is pooping on my lawn.
There = place. Examnple: Their dog pooped over there.

They're not watching their dog and he pooped over there.

That always bugs me and ending sentences in prepositions is another peeve of mine.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Troy73

I'm not taking any review seriously from someone who can't spell Blu-ray correctly. Doesn't surprise me considering where you got this from.

You question his comments/review because of a spelling error...?
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[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by radagast

Wow. Finally someone else is willing to say this. It drives me nuts when people here do stuff like that.

Here's a primer folks:

They're = they are. Example: They're going downtown to watch fireworks.
Their = possesive. Example: Their dog is pooping on my lawn.
There = place. Examnple: Their dog pooped over there.

They're not watching their dog and he pooped over there.

I wasn't taught this example in grammar school!

Originally Posted by J.Cornelius

Hitler videos, really guy, I watched the You Tube clip and found it to be pathetic. Downfall is a terrific film but the insinuation to propagate an opinion with such a method is offensive. I also find it curious that the reply from Mr. Harris to your suggestion has been wiped clean, vanished, yet this post remains, dubious indeed....

Have you never seen this internet meme? It is honestly everywhere covering all kinds of topics. Seriously, check YouTube.

It's not a slight against Downfall, just one of those viral things that people pick up on.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

You question his comments/review because of a spelling error...?
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Yeah, pretty much. If you're going to review something in regards to instructing others on the flaws or merits of a Blu-ray transfer, having a grasp on the correct spelling of the format you critique should be a given. I also got the impression you posted this to add some weight to the debate on the transfers technical merits, which is fine. Just like it is okay for me to judge this persons review, that you posted, on its use of correct terminology. Sorry, but I like my reviewers to be able to spell the format correctly.

Oh, and that reviewer makes a couple of spelling errors.

[Eismagier]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Blu-ray

Fixed that for you

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by Eismagier

Fixed that for you

Lol!!!

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

I figured out a FIX for EVERYONE!!! Try this, and see if the FOTR EE looks "correct" with the added color-timing, and black levels!

On our HDTV, I changed the HUE setting 6 notches to the Green side! Went from a setting at R2, over to G4. Once I did that, everything looked absolutely correct again!

Perhaps in re-authoring the FOTR EE, the default Hue setting was "off" by a few notches.

I am not kidding, try it out, and let us know what you think!

Doing this keeps the proper black levels, and resets title whites back to "white", snow whites back to "white", blue skies back to "blue", Gandalf the Grey back to "grey". It is amazing.

NOTE: Each of you may need to change the Hue by more or less than I have, but on our Sony KDL-40XBR4 it turned out to be 6 notches toward the G side of Hue.

Let us know your results

Anyone have a chance to, or willing to try this yet?

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by atexp80

^ Go with the Theatrical Cuts. If it's a blind buy they're probably easier to digest than the Extended Editions. As a fan, I much prefer the Extended Editions as a number of sequences and smaller storylines are fleshed out which is gratifying if you've read the books etc. Having said that, if you're coming in new to the series then the Theatrical Cuts offer a more streamlined approach although they're hardly racing along in terms of pacing. It's just probably a little easier for newcomers to follow the main points rather than be "distracted" by the secondary plot lines and smaller character development moments.

Mostly true, although some the extra scenes are worthless. It really is true sometimes that less is more with movies. Everyone should watch both and see what they think. IMO, The EE of the Fellowship is the only MUST watch. The TE is rushed and just doesnt work. The Two Towers and ROTK are a different story. There are things I like and things I dont like about each one. Some scenes are extended and dont work as well as the shorter scenes. Some additions arent very important.