Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I'd also add the ability to resell your digital copies. Without that nothing will be available to new buyers after the studios stop offering it. People shouldn't be unable to watch a movie just because they didn't happen to buy it when it was popular.

I think the concept of digital distribution is fantastic but the greed of those in control will prevent it from ever reaching its potential. The laws need to drastically change to prevent the studios and distributors from controlling everything.

Originally Posted by Groot

The only thing that really needs to change is removing the content from an account. You offer the ability to "send" a digital file to another account and within the original account the content is completely removed, you've created a successful secondary market for those who wish to buy and sell purchases.

I'd like to see this too, my Digital Collection is over 600. It would be nice to sell some of them, to upgrade or eliminate. The only way I see it happening if the Studios or Distributors could issue a Digital Code for a Fee, and Delete that Movie or TV Show from your Collection. It would make a good Secondary Market if they can control it properly.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes I agree with Groot and Steedeel, Internet is essential now and these outages should not be taken lightly. It does sound like no one wants to take the lead on this problem. I guess that is why Mediacom is way down on the Customer Service List. In order to fix something you have to know how it works. It sounds like even Repair is making flaky excuses, "Signal Leak" nice. So now the Tech coming has a good out, he will refer the problem to the Maintenance Crew. Maintenance Crews just have Routines they run, I doubt they work on troubles. They could come back and tell you, the Maintenance Crew has referred your trouble to Engineering. I see with this kind of Service you guys need your Discs. Talking about Sony, their Support told me they are going Digital and Disc is History!

Up to four outages today and counting. My entire monthly bill has been credited now, but I would rather have the service I subscribed to than to get credits for the service I was denied.

I have been told that the maintenance crew will be working on the "signal leak" problem tomorrow and that I will be getting a phone call afterwards.

Losing the internet is an inconvenience for me, but many rely upon it for their incomes. My next door neighbor works from home as an iphone tech support representative. When the internet is down, he is not paid. He has a family with two small children; he needs stable internet service.

Sony doesn't seem to know what the hell they want to be. They make some of the best 4K discs released, many fine blu-rays, promote them, all while discontinuing them from their rewards program. The lack of a 4K disc drive in their PS4 is another odd decision on their part.

Discs are far from being history regardless of the echo chamber in which you heard that prediction. There remain plenty of people who prefer disc and there also many who enjoy both disc and digital. Combined there are enough of us to keep physical media viable. Discs are not going anywhere, except into my collection.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes I agree with Groot and Steedeel, Internet is essential now and these outages should not be taken lightly. It does sound like no one wants to take the lead on this problem. I guess that is why Mediacom is way down on the Customer Service List. In order to fix something you have to know how it works. It sounds like even Repair is making flaky excuses, "Signal Leak" nice. So now the Tech coming has a good out, he will refer the problem to the Maintenance Crew. Maintenance Crews just have Routines they run, I doubt they work on troubles. They could come back and tell you, the Maintenance Crew has referred your trouble to Engineering. I see with this kind of Service you guys need your Discs. Talking about Sony, their Support told me they are going Digital and Disc is History!

But didn’t Sony tell everyone that Blu-ray was the future? . I think Sony are trying to stay relevant REGARDLESS of the format. Outside of their gaming division, they don’t seem to know where to go imo.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

Yeah. I was just stating that in this day and age any time of outage, at least at the level being experienced by the user here, is an outlier and shouldn't be acceptable. People depend heavily on the internet now and outside of maintenance (which is usually very late/early morning) this shouldn't be happening on any sort of regular basis. Unless the power goes out or there's system upgrades every few months, my internet doesn't go out.

That company should not find it acceptable at all to have those kind of issues constantly.

Oh yes, agree all the way. Like I said (keep repeating it so sorry if it’s boring anyone) but from 2020 the U.K. will be compensated for outages. I bet that will get the wheels moving. I’m with Sky and they are pretty reliable imo. I had plenty of problems with my old broadband but since I switched to fibre it’s been fine. I can relate to the problems Vilya has though as my back and forth went on for years way back.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If they could make everyone buy digital they would. All of the major studios would, they have more control and less manufacturing costs with digital. But they aren't going to abandon the disc market which makes them billions of dollars every year in hopes that all of those customers will switch over to digital and continue to spend just as much.

They will continue to sell 4K Discs, Blu-ray Discs, and DVDs as long as they continue to be profitable. But not including a 4K drive in the PS4 Pro was a not-so-subtle way of encouraging people to use their digital 4K service instead.

Black Panther disc sales seems to suggest there is plenty of life in Blu-ray yet.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Yep, I'm not the least bit worried that blockbusters will continue to sell well and be released on disc for many decades. My only concern is less popular titles (especially TV shows) abandoning physical media.

If that happens I am done. I need my indies etc.. will just use Netflix and Sky with 4K discs for the blockbusters you mention.

Having said that, some good labels with really obscure releases lately so that’s good.

I f******* hate digital media. The fact I may have to use it makes me want to puke.

[Vilya]

I know all of you have been on the edge of your seats awaiting the next update on my internet troubles, so here it is.

Yesterday, I had my 30th outage since May 11th. I had two maintenance workers come over on Friday and they resumed messing with that "box" in my neighbor's backyard, which Mediacom refers to as the "pedestal."

They left the "pedestal" like this yesterday:

MediacomMaintenance2June2018CroppedSm.jpg

and it remains in this condition today. The maintenance crew did not even bother to close it back up.

It rains here nearly every day, of late, and I suspect that the metal shroud's purpose is to protect the components inside the "pedestal" from the elements. Is it any wonder that Mediacom's network is in such a shambles when this is the quality of maintenance they perform?

Another snapshot moment illustrating the incompetence of my ISP. I have had internet service for 19 consecutive hours. The last streak made it to 71 hours. Can a new record be obtained? Place your bets, but don't hold your breath.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I know all of you have been on the edge of your seats awaiting the next update on my internet troubles, so here it is.

Yesterday, I had my 30th outage since May 11th. I had two maintenance workers come over on Friday and they resumed messing with that "box" in my neighbor's backyard, which Mediacom refers to as the "pedestal."

They left the "pedestal" like this yesterday:

Attachment 201378

and it remains in this condition today. The maintenance crew did not even bother to close it back up.

It rains here nearly every day, of late, and I suspect that the metal shroud's purpose is to protect the components inside the "pedestal" from the elements. Is it any wonder that Mediacom's network is in such a shambles when this is the quality of maintenance they perform?

Another snapshot moment illustrating the incompetence of my ISP. I have had internet service for 19 consecutive hours. The last streak made it to 71 hours. Can a new record be obtained? Place you bets, but don't hold your breath.

Not good enough imo.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not good enough imo.

You all are a tough crowd; it's hard to keep you entertained.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I know all of you have been on the edge of your seats awaiting the next update on my internet troubles, so here it is.

Yesterday, I had my 30th outage since May 11th. I had two maintenance workers come over on Friday and they resumed messing with that "box" in my neighbor's backyard, which Mediacom refers to as the "pedestal."

They left the "pedestal" like this yesterday:

Attachment 201378

and it remains in this condition today. The maintenance crew did not even bother to close it back up.

It rains here nearly every day, of late, and I suspect that the metal shroud's purpose is to protect the components inside the "pedestal" from the elements. Is it any wonder that Mediacom's network is in such a shambles when this is the quality of maintenance they perform?

Another snapshot moment illustrating the incompetence of my ISP. I have had internet service for 19 consecutive hours. The last streak made it to 71 hours. Can a new record be obtained? Place your bets, but don't hold your breath.

Well the Techs left it this way because they are not finished, I guess they could have protected it better but there is still another Box. I looked up Signal Leak, and it has to do with RF Signal. So I guess that is not Fiber there it's Coax. When you go down something is knocking that Signal. That Signal Leak is caused by faulty equipment or unterminated connections. If they found the Leak to be coming from one of the homes, the Techs will inform the homeowner to test and fix the Leak. If the homeowner could not be reached, they could disconnect them untill they contact Mediacom. If that Crew could not find a problem, then it's not Balanced properly or the Feed needs more Bandwidth.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You all are a tough crowd; it's hard to keep you entertained.

Not at all. Give me a top presentation on my big screens and I’m happy as a young man in Playboy mansion.

[Alex82]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Yesterday, I had my 30th outage since May 11th. I had two maintenance workers come over on Friday and they resumed messing with that "box" in my neighbor's backyard, which Mediacom refers to as the "pedestal."

They left the "pedestal" like this yesterday:

Attachment 201378

and it remains in this condition today. The maintenance crew did not even bother to close it back up.

"The Pedestal"...

Somehow your story reminded me of this scene, the maintenance crew working on The Pedestal:

[Show spoiler]

I really hope they fix your problem soon; thankfully, your collection is so vast that you can spend those hours without internet watching your discs. I do enjoy your reports, so keep them coming if you have'em.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Alex82

"The Pedestal"...

Somehow your story reminded me of this scene, the maintenance crew working on The Pedestal:

[Show spoiler]

I really hope they fix your problem soon; thankfully, your collection is so vast that you can spend those hours without internet watching your discs. I do enjoy your reports, so keep them coming if you have'em.

Yes, that was from 2001:A Space Odyssey, and the the beginning there was a Black Monolith. Good Movie, but I agree keep the updates coming I think we can solve his problem.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Alex82

"The Pedestal"...

Somehow your story reminded me of this scene, the maintenance crew working on The Pedestal:

[Show spoiler]

I really hope they fix your problem soon; thankfully, your collection is so vast that you can spend those hours without internet watching your discs. I do enjoy your reports, so keep them coming if you have'em.

That is the exact uniform worn by Mediacom's maintenance and tech departments.

My internet has not been stable enough to stream anything, but I somehow managed to order 20 more titles on disc. You'll never catch me being dependent on any ISP for my cinematic or TV show entertainment. Disc all the way, every day, always.

Current streak is up to 26 hours!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You all are a tough crowd; it's hard to keep you entertained.

Oh yeah, we won't devote our precious leisure hours to just anything.

We obviously set the bar very high in that regard.

[octagon]

BTW, show of hands...is anybody else thinking my 'open box and some squirrels' theory sounds a little less out there right now?

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

That is the exact uniform worn by Mediacom's maintenance and tech departments.

My internet has not been stable enough to stream anything, but I somehow managed to order 20 more titles on disc. You'll never catch me being dependent on any ISP for my cinematic or TV show entertainment. Disc all the way, every day, always.

Current streak is up to 26 hours!

If you have a good stable Internet, you can Stream the latest Movies. Even before they come out on Disc. I watched Death Wish (2018) last night, and tonight I'm watching Tomb Raider (2018.) So you Disc guys sit around waiting to watch Movies or until they come into your price range. Life is too short to wait!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So you Disc guys sit around waiting to watch Movies or until they come into your price range. Life is too short to wait!

I own over 7,000 titles. I can watch them at anytime, no matter how unstable my craptastic ISP. The on and off again internet never prevents me from watching movies. Digital providers temporarily misplacing titles or lowering their resolution are never problems I encounter, either.

I ordered 20 more today. While I await their arrival, I already have a substantial library and every title in it happens to be something I like. I am certain I can easily wait 10 whole days until Tomb Raider is out on disc.

When it is released, I will be able to watch it from either 4K disc or even wondrous 3D, both of which will look, and sound, better than your streamed presentation. You do not even have the option to stream it in 3D.

You are welcome to stay dependent on your ever more expensive ISP to access content you do not even really own. I will continue to own my movies on disc. I will watch my discs with no concerns about internet performance, data caps, or digital content provider errors and I will enjoy these same discs in the highest available quality that they alone provide along with their unsurpassed reliability.

Life is too short to settle for less.

41 hours without an outage...

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I own over 7,000 titles. I can watch them at anytime, no matter how unstable my craptastic ISP. The on and off again internet never prevents me from watching movies. Digital providers temporarily misplacing titles or lowering their resolution are never problems I encounter, either.

I ordered 20 more today. While I await their arrival, I already have a substantial library and every title in it happens to be something I like. I am certain I can easily wait 10 whole days until Tomb Raider is out on disc.

When it is released, I will be able to watch it from either 4K disc or even wondrous 3D, both of which will look, and sound, better than your streamed presentation. You do not even have the option to stream it in 3D.

You are welcome to stay dependent on your ever more expensive ISP to access content you do not even really own. I will continue to own my movies on disc. I will watch my discs with no concerns about internet performance, data caps, or digital content provider errors and I will enjoy these same discs in the highest available quality that they alone provide along with their unsurpassed reliability.

Life is too short to settle for less.

35 hours without an outage...

This^

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

If you have a good stable Internet, you can Stream the latest Movies. Even before they come out on Disc. I watched Death Wish (2018) last night, and tonight I'm watching Tomb Raider (2018.) So you Disc guys sit around waiting to watch Movies or until they come into your price range. Life is too short to wait!

I have to wait for Death Wish and Tomb Raider!

My life is in tatters!