Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

And when they move out they'll want a big TV like the one they grew up with. They will therefore expose their own kids to a big TV and when those kids grow up and move out they'll also want a big TV like the one they grew up with. The cycle continues.

Yep. On the previous page one of the links I posted discussed that. No concrete data as this is still an evolving study, but typically once they reach college (dorm/apartment) or own their own home they have at least one TV in the home.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Groot

Yes, they are going to abandon long-form media that brings in billions in revenue, not just from the content itself but toys, figures, accessories, etc. in favor of short form mobile content. It's impossible for them to just offer content independent of that and have another way to make money.

Exactly. There's no reason to believe short form content will supplant films or TV shows because not only are films and TV shows awesome, they're profitable.

And they're profitable because people like them and that's been the case for generations. Will these damn kids today be the first generation to cast them aside in favor of short form content?

I suppose that's possible but I have more faith in film and TV as art and entertainment vehicles and I have more faith in these damn kids today. I don't think they'll be satisfied with fifteen minute films and only fifteen minute films.

Originally Posted by Groot

Under your new world theory everyone is going to develop ADHD. There's been short form books for generations, novels didn't disappear. Penny comics and short stories didn't end books. YouTube videos and similar content aren't killing films.

And let's not forget the 800lb gorilla that was supposed to wipe all that Western Civilization held dear: The Idiot Box itself.

TV was gong to lay waste to art and literature, to film and theater and all that made life worth living. It was going to create generation after generation of mind-numbed zombies incapable of higher thought or aspiration.

Except it didn't.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

And when they move out they'll want a big TV like the one they grew up with.

And if the next thirty years are anything like the last thirty they're going be able to buy a bigger and better TV for less money.

Progress is awesome

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Is this really ALL you have to contribute to this thread? You pop in every few days just to complain that my posts are boring you. I have zero sympathy for you. You don't have to read them. You can put me on your ignore list.

You could easily post about anything that interests you more, but it seems all you really want to do is beech about my comments. If that is what floats your boat, then happy high tide to you. I will continue to keep you similarly entertained, on that you may count upon.

I come in here every so often and the thread is a few pages longer and I'm expecting some good discussion and it's just more talk about your internet.

We get it. Your internet sucks.

You're already posting pictures of your backyard and screenshots of your speed tests.

We're about a day or 2 away of webcam videos of you trying to play a buffering movie from your digital locker.

You and your chronies can take the discussion to a new thread in the general forum since that's really where it belongs.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

And if the next thirty years are anything like the last thirty they're going be able to buy a bigger and better TV for less money.

Progress is awesome

If that’s the way it goes it will be awesome. I don’t think it will though.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

It's taking me forever to catch up.

It's gone up 6 or 7 pages in the past day , and many of those include Dynamo's wall of texts bigger than the one the Night's Watch guards in Game of Thrones




It's gotten worse since the subforum change

All you seem to do is complain regardless of content. Dynamo was the victim in this case.

[Groot]

When video games, sports and blockbuster movies disappear I'm sure the world will have bigger problems than watching YouTube type media on their phones.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

This thread is insufferable

And here!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

When video games, sports and blockbuster movies disappear I'm sure the world will have bigger problems than watching YouTube type media on their phones.

Not Youtube type Groot. Premium content with a decent budget.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not Youtube type Groot. Premium content with a decent budget.

YouTube is already doing that. They have scripted shows and films now. They also have their own live tv service.

Still doesn't matter, if people abandon TV's they'd be abandoning sports, gaming, summer blockbuster films, etc on a big screen. If that huge shift happens there's clearly something else going on.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

YouTube is already doing that. They have scripted shows and films now. They also have their own live tv service.

Still doesn't matter, if people abandon TV's they'd be abandoning sports, gaming, summer blockbuster films, etc on a big screen. If that huge shift happens there's clearly something else going on.

Sorry premium short form alone I meant.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Mobile video games didn't kill consoles. Video games didn't kill TV shows. TV shows didn't kill movies. Movies didn't kill magazines. Magazines didn't kill books.

How can you possibly think that "premium short form content" is going to replace all other forms of entertainment?

I just do, I can’t help it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

What has caused you to think that teenagers these days don't like anything that's not on their phones?

Experience. I think movies are just a social/date thing for them. Easily replaceable by something else.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Groot

Still doesn't matter, if people abandon TV's they'd be abandoning sports, gaming, summer blockbuster films, etc on a big screen. If that huge shift happens there's clearly something else going on.

My money is on the Rise of the Machines. They're okay with us now but as soon as we perfect sex robots everything from roombas to driverless cars are all going to be all like 'oh hell no' and that will be that.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That's more plausible than Steedeel's predictions. A.I. turning on humanity is far more likely than all of humanity giving up on movies.

Maybe the machines first attack will be to cut off everyone's Netflix and Vudu accounts so you all beg them to show mercy.

"3 Billion Netflix accounts were shutdown on August 29th, 2027. The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war Judgment Day. They lived only to face a new nightmare: life without streaming."

Sounds great.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by flyry

I come in here every so often and the thread is a few pages longer and I'm expecting some good discussion and it's just more talk about your internet.

We get it. Your internet sucks.

You're already posting pictures of your backyard and screenshots of your speed tests.

We're about a day or 2 away of webcam videos of you trying to play a buffering movie from your digital locker.

You and your chronies can take the discussion to a new thread in the general forum since that's really where it belongs.

I will discuss what topic I choose and in what thread I choose. If you don't like it, well, that's just too damn bad. You can ignore me or you can endure me; I don't care which you choose.

Internet performance and stability are absolutely relevant to any discussion about viewing digital content. It is a rather foundational prerequisite for it to be taken seriously as an alternative way to view movies. In my case, it is a terrible alternative and for more reasons than just my pathetic ISP's service.

My Internet does suck- but not as much as your posts. I'm glad your reading comprehension has not entirely failed you. I have to type this comment on my phone as my Internet has been out since yesterday afternoon.

During my absence there has been a lively multiple page discussion about short form content and it's debatable impact on long form content. And what have you had to say? Nothing, except to once again complain about my comments.

Griping about what other people post here is essentially all you ever have to say. Perhaps you should take your whiny self over to the general chat threads and lament about how other forum members behave contrary to your liking?

There are two things that I can assure you of. One is that I am not going to change to suit you. The other is that you will remain as you are. We both have the same options: to ignore or to tolerate each other. My choice is to be tolerant. I retain faith that you have more to contribute than just the petty complaints about what I, and others, post.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

All you seem to do is complain regardless of content. Dynamo was the victim in this case.

He must think he is some sort of thread room monitor. I bet he just dreams of being a moderator here.

His only purpose is to object to what other people discuss. Even the length of their remarks offend him!

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I will discuss what topic I choose and in what thread I choose. If you don't like it, well, that's just too damn bad. You can ignore me or you can endure me; I don't care which you choose.

Internet performance and stability are absolutely relevant to any discussion about viewing digital content. It is a rather foundational prerequisite for it to be taken seriously as an alternative way to view movies. In my case, it is a terrible alternative and for more reasons than just my pathetic ISP's service.

My Internet does suck= but not as much as your posts. I'm glad your reading comprehension has not entirely failed you. I have to type this comment on my phone as my Internet has been out since yesterday afternoon.

During my absence there has been a lively multiple page discussion about short form content and it's debatable impact on long form content. And what have you had to say? Nothing, except to once again complain about my comments.

Griping about what other people post here is essentially all you ever have to say. Perhaps you should take your whiny self over to the general chat threads and lament about how other forum members behave contrary to your liking?

There are two things I can assure you of. One is that I am not going to change to suit you. The other is that you will remain as you are. We both have the same options: to ignore or to tolerate each other. My choice is to be tolerant. I retain faith that you have more to contribute than just the petty complaints about what I, and others, post.

That is a complete stretch. For one we know you are 100000% team physical. You don't watch digital. You've made that crystal clear. You may have a few in your locker but you've gone on ad nauseam about 7000 titles you own etc.

And two it would be like me spending months complaining about my power going out. Which would prevent me from watching eithet. Yeah its kind of related but not really.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by flyry

I come in here every so often and the thread is a few pages longer and I'm expecting some good discussion and it's just more talk about your internet.

We get it. Your internet sucks.

You're already posting pictures of your backyard and screenshots of your speed tests.

We're about a day or 2 away of webcam videos of you trying to play a buffering movie from your digital locker.

You and your chronies can take the discussion to a new thread in the general forum since that's really where it belongs.

We get it. You don't like Vilya's posts and some aspects of the discussion here.

No one is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to come to this thread. If you don't like the discussion going on here, then don't come here. Simple as that.

I don't see what difference moving a thread like this to the general forum would make. It was already removed from the digital section since it wasn't about digital exclusively. It's in the right place now, as it is related to Blu-Ray and other/future/changing technology.

Originally Posted by flyry

That is a complete stretch. For one we know you are 100000% team physical. You don't watch digital. You've made that crystal clear. You may have a few in your locker but you've gone on ad nauseam about 7000 titles you own etc.

And two it would be like me spending months complaining about my power going out. Which would prevent me from watching eithet. Yeah its kind of related but not really.

I would argue that his discussion of his internet problems is relevant for two reasons.

For one, while not everyone experiences this level of internet issues, some people having internet go down frequently and randomly for no apparent reason is far more common in general than electricity going out for no apparent reason. Most of the time if electricity goes out, it's the result of a storm or something akin to that.

And two, the internet is specifically needed to watch streaming content. It is a variable that only has a substantial effect on one of the two forms of movie viewing being debated. Sure, Blu-Ray players may need firmware updates from time to time, but that's something that only take a few minutes every once in a while (so it can easily be done during the times when the internet is working), and it is only really "needed" if not updating it actually effects the player's compatibility with newer discs. If the firmware update improves some aspects of the player, but has no major effect on general playback one way or the other, then skipping it is no big deal.

By contrast, for any form of media consumption (i.e. music, movies, TV, video games), regardless of the form those take, some form of electricity is needed. There is no avoiding that or getting around it. So it is a factor that effects all forms of media no matter which form someone chooses to use, and therefore is a moot point in comparing and contrasting the benefits and drawbacks of physical vs. digital.

And considering that we have someone on the very pro-digital side who keeps going on about fiber internet connections, contacting local government to improve related infrastructure, etc., it's not like Vilya is the only one bringing up internet connections in some form or another.

While I only want to buy content that I want to keep long term on physical media, I still use services like Netflix and Hulu. My wife and I recently binged the new episodes of Arrested Development and The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. So I'm not against streaming/digital in all forms. But I do lean on the pro-physical side for many reasons.





And as for the rest of your general attitude, as others pointed out, you've criticized my the length of some of my posts even when they are very relative to the core discussion, and you never really seem to bring anything to the table short of making snarky remarks on what others are posting about here. If you have a particular point to make on the main topic and/or direction that you'd like the discussion to go in, then by all means, please post accordingly. But if the only thing you are going to do is criticize what some people are posting and how you are disappointed with the tread in general, then just leave. It will save you a lot of headaches.

I'm also sorry if you consider this post to be too long. I know anything more than a couple of sentences is apparently a challenge for you.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by flyry

That is a complete stretch. For one we know you are 100000% team physical. You don't watch digital. You've made that crystal clear. You may have a few in your locker but you've gone on ad nauseam about 7000 titles you own etc.

And two it would be like me spending months complaining about my power going out. Which would prevent me from watching eithet. Yeah its kind of related but not really.

Allow me to partially correct you: I can't watch digital. I have internet issues; haven't you heard?

I have 97 digital titles. I could have many more, but entering all those codes is too tedious. I have had Netflix and I do have Amazon Prime. I do, in fact, attempt to stream content, however infrequently. I research some of my potential disc purchases this way.

Yes, I prefer physical media. Is it any wonder why when I can't stay connected? I can list other reasons for my wise preference; let me know if you would like to learn more about them.

A stable Internet is essential for viewing the digital content you praise ad nauseum. Many of us don't have reliable internet, largely due to the fact that ISP's are too cheap to expand and even maintain their existing networks. Without that mandatory infrastructure, many people can not even try the digital experience that you have blathered about. Discussing this pivotal prerequisite is on topic. There is no digital future without dependable internet service.

The fact remains that you are welcome to discuss anything you prefer in this thread. You can regale us with your delectable experiences with digital. You can even reminisce about nostalgic TV shows and movies. You can gush about The Matrix on 4K UHD disc, too. Most of us are considerate of what anyone cares to talk about.

You can offer more than just criticisms of individual forum members. I have read some posts from you where you actually have something to say, though they are rare of late. You seem to derive pleasure primarily in attacking people for any comment that does not suit you or that constitutes a "wall of text." I guess that makes me guilty twice over in your coloring book, eh?