Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

I want to dedicate this update on my ongoing internet "woes" to none other than flyry. I know how much he enjoys them and this will motivate him to search for another funny image to express that delight.

I had my 5th tech visit today, for those keeping score, and it was decided that perhaps my owned modem, a Motorola Arris Surfboard 6141, may have "locked up" or "bricked" possibly, but not definitively, due to all of the power cycling it has endured along with all of the test signals it has been bombarded with by my ISP's tech support staff- this is their theory; I did not conjure this one up. After yesterday's most recent power cycling, my owned modem could not reacquire a signal. It has no factory reset button.

It might also be that my 4 year-old modem is just near the end of its lifespan. It might also just be technician BS, but I am now running, temporarily, with one of their modems to see if that improves matters. The visiting techs recommended the purchase of Netgear's CM 1000 modem should I decide to buy a new one. The loaner modem costs a silly $7.50 extra per month- it is a "hitron" brand of modem.

The last picture I posted of the still open "pedestal" or, more accurately, demarcation point, is due to the maintenance crew accidentally spiking through one of the underground cables. Another maintenance crew is scheduled to come and undo the damage caused by the previous crew. Nice, huh?

The techs repeated that there are still problems in my area that require maintenance's attention while also telling me that some of "those old men" need to retire. So, the blame game continues between the tech and maintenance crews- and so does the sporadic service. They asked for my patience as they believe it will take a "few" more days to repair.

The new streak of connectivity is but 1 hour old; how long will it last? Exciting stuff, I know, and I will dutifully supply more scintillating updates.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Rzzzz

Well said. My biggest concern is not even my internet connection. How long until these movie studios start censoring movies we grew up with so as not to offend what ever group is the victim of the day? I think it is just a matter of time.....

I have no tolerance for revisionism, generally. Sure, I enjoy director extended cuts and even alternate cuts, but I also believe that the original theatrical presentation should be preserved and made available.

When a director or cinematographer wants to tinker with the color timing and such, I am okay with that, also. I want to see the film as they envisioned it.

But the deletion, or editing, of dialog, scenes, or changes to songs and score are a different matter. I am adamantly against this type of revisionism.

I support the release of films like D.W. Griffith's The Birth Of A Nation, the original and unadulterated Star Wars trilogy, Mel Gibson's The Passion Of The Christ, the original and unreleased theatrical screening of Disney's Aladdin, even the hard to endure Salo, and, last, but not least, Disney's Song Of The South. For those offended by these films, and others, I simply suggest that they do not watch them, but do not infringe on the rights of the rest of us to see them.

[Vilya]

I have said before that I am unconcerned about short form content, whatever it is viewed upon, adversely impacting long form content and what it is viewed upon. I remain unfazed. I continue to believe that all of these types of content can coexist, even as digital content and physical media coexist, and even as smartphones and big screen TVs coexist.

With that said, if you are worried about a nightmarish future wherein movies and TV shows are assigned to the ash heap of history, I would say insulate yourself as much as possible and buy more content on disc right now! The more we buy, the more they will make. The more we own, the less we can lose.

Here's a link to Amazon.uk; you get busy with that:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/

I'll get busy with Amazon stateside. We got this covered!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have said before that I am unconcerned about short form content, whatever it is viewed upon, adversely impacting long form content and what it is viewed upon. I remain unfazed. I continue to believe that all of these types of content can coexist, even as digital content and physical media coexist, and even as smartphones and big screen TVs coexist.

With that said, if you are worried about a nightmarish future wherein movies and TV shows are assigned to the ash heap of history, I would say insulate yourself as much as possible and buy more content on disc right now! They more we buy, the more they will make. They more we own, the less we can lose.

Here's a link to Amazon.uk; you get busy with that:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/

I'll get busy with Amazon stateside. We got this covered!

900 and another 60 by Christmas! Amazon will take a bashing lol.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

900 and another 60 by Christmas! Amazon will take a bashing lol.

How dare you quote me before I can correct my typing errors!

And don't mention how many discs you own, it nauseates someone's tummy tum tum.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

How dare you quote me before I can correct my typing errors!

And don't mention how many discs you own, it nauseates someone's tummy tum tum.

Do you want a fight?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Do you want a fight?

Take a number; there's at least one ahead of you.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Take a number; there's at least one ahead of you.

The winner gets all your Blu-rays, deal?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The winner gets all your Blu-rays, deal?

No. Some things you just never gamble.

Maybe the slipcovers, but probably not even them.

I know! It just came to me! The victor can have the digital codes (many are likely expired, anyway).

By the way, here is another update. Pause for drumroll. My internet went down three more times since my last report, although they were both momentary, less than four minutes. Makes 36 outages in 24 days. Streak is now at 6 hours.

And I have a sixth tech visit scheduled; this time the area supervisor will grace me with his/her presence.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

No. Some things you just never gamble.

Maybe the slipcovers, but probably not even them.

I know! It just came to me! The victor can have the digital codes (many are likely expired, anyway).

By the way, here is another update. Pause for drumroll. My internet went down three more times since my last report, although they were both momentary, less than four minutes. Makes 36 outages in 24 days. Streak is now at 2 hours.

Digital copies? No thanks.

Speaking of slipcases, I don’t like them. I always take them off when my disc arrives. I have hundreds in a binder lol.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Digital copies? No thanks.

Speaking of slipcases, I don’t like them. I always take them off when my disc arrives. I have hundreds in a binder lol.

You should sell them. There are plenty of people who go ga-ga for 'em. You might make enough to buy a few more discs!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You should sell them. There are plenty of people who go ga-ga for 'em. You might make enough to buy a few more discs!

Really?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Really?

Indeed. You can bank on it.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

But the deletion, or editing, of dialog, scenes, or changes to songs and score are a different matter. I am adamantly against this type of revisionism.

For those offended by these films, and others, I simply suggest that they do not watch them, but do not infringe on the rights of the rest of us to see them.

Exactly. Like yourself, I'm happy watching extended versions or directors cuts, just so long as the original is still there. Editing scenes or changing dialogue to suit a 'modern' audience is a big no-no for me.

The film I was referring to earlier was The Dam Busters, although there are other examples too. You're probably aware of the famous 'n' word used in this film which I guess nobody in the 1950's would have considered offensive, but to delete or change the word so as not to offend today's audience is just not acceptable to me.

Thankfully the Blu-ray releases are unaltered, but broadcasters have on occasion replaced or even edited out the word altogether.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by CV19

Exactly. Like yourself, I'm happy watching extended versions or directors cuts, just so long as the original is still there. Editing scenes or changing dialogue to suit a 'modern' audience is a big no-no for me.

The film I was referring to earlier was The Dam Busters, although there are other examples too. You're probably aware of the famous 'n' word used in this film which I guess nobody in the 1950's would have considered offensive, but to delete or change the word so as not to offend today's audience is just not acceptable to me.

Thankfully the Blu-ray releases are unaltered, but broadcasters have on occasion replaced or even edited out the word altogether.

This is the movie playing on the TV in a scene from the movie Pink Floyd: The Wall 1982; the "n" word is the name of the dog being called in that scene playing on the TV.

[Show spoiler]

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

This is the movie playing on the TV in a scene from the movie Pink Floyd: The Wall 1982; the "n" word is the name of the dog being called in that scene playing on the TV.

Well, good to see it wasn't dubbed with an alternative name, such as "Digger".
Thanks for reminding me by the way. I've actually been meaning to watch The Wall for some time and just never got round to seeing it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by CV19

Well, good to see it wasn't dubbed with an alternative name, such as "Digger".
Thanks for reminding me by the way. I've actually been meaning to watch The Wall for some time and just never got round to seeing it.

Both The Dam Busters and Pink Floyd:The Wall 1982 need a region "A", or region free, blu-ray release. The DVD of the latter most definitely uses the "n" word name in that scene. I have seen this movie many times and it still surprises me when I hear it being used in this manner.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Digital copies? No thanks.

Speaking of slipcases, I don’t like them. I always take them off when my disc arrives. I have hundreds in a binder lol.

I've never been bothered about them either to be honest with you. However, I do like the one that comes with the recent Eureka Blu-ray release of The Old Dark House (Boris Karloff), which features different artwork to the actual cover on the case.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I would argue that his discussion of his internet problems is relevant...….

The internet is specifically needed to watch streaming content.

And considering that we have someone on the very pro-digital side who keeps going on about fiber internet connections, contacting local government to improve related infrastructure, etc., it's not like Vilya is the only one bringing up internet connections in some form or another.

Originally Posted by Vilya

I had my 5th tech visit today, for those keeping score, and it was decided that perhaps my owned modem, a Motorola Arris Surfboard 6141, may have "locked up" or "bricked" possibly, but not definitively, due to all of the power cycling it has endured along with all of the test signals it has been bombarded with by my ISP's tech support staff- this is their theory; I did not conjure this one up. After yesterday's most recent power cycling, my owned modem could not reacquire a signal. It has no factory reset button.

The last picture I posted of the still open "pedestal" or, more accurately, demarcation point, is due to the maintenance crew accidentally spiking through one of the underground cables. Another maintenance crew is scheduled to come and undo the damage caused by the previous crew. Nice, huh?

The techs repeated that there are still problems in my area that require maintenance's attention while also telling me that some of "those old men" need to retire. So, the blame game continues between the tech and maintenance crews- and so does the sporadic service. They asked for my patience as they believe it will take a "few" more days to repair.

I would say Vilya's problems are very relevant, take a look at those pictures, most of you have that aging Old Obsolete Copper. It's a wonder it works at all, even the Techs knock each other about it. I talk about Load Balance and Bandwidth, that main Feed for that Pedestal if it comes from another Pedestal. The Bandwidth and Signal is shared, that means something has got to give. Streaming is going to put a strain on ISP's and Carriers, and I just see it getting worse before it gets better. People just have to be aware, and set their priorities.

[octagon]

Never's a pretty long time. Hell, when it comes to networks ten years is a pretty long time.