Scanners (1981)

[harry keogh]

Come on, can't make a coke joke about James Brown?

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

Come on, can't make a coke joke about James Brown?

I guess not when it is reported

[harry keogh]

Someone cried over that? Man, the world is going straight up pansy. Couldn't imagine being that weak.

That was a good joke. Fit the avatar perfectly.

[Goremeister100]

Originally Posted by Monty70

I thought the same thing as I reviewed the film again last night. The lights in the Biocorp control room are of a strong greenish blue tint. It makes perfect sense that when we see that close up, the one screencap that has people up in arms, of Vale he would be surrounded in the same light.

They aren't a strong greenish blue tint. They're regular white neon lights. The glass on the outside of that room has a green tint. That being said, I watched the Criterion and that screenshot of Lack looking all green doesn't look as green on my tv. When taking a screenshot, it looks a hell of a lot greener. Can't figure this out. It's like the green comes out even more in the screenshot for some reason. I still favor the colors on the Subkultur disc though since it's closer to how it looked 33 years ago.

[Chaotic]

Watched this for the first time today and loved it. The last 5 minutes are so awesome. Love the music.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Robert George

I now have the Second Sight disc (UK), Subkultur (Ger.), and the Criterion. Although from posted screen caps, I would have said the Subkultur disc would be the subjectively preferable transfer to watch, I would now say the Criterion transfer is the best overall. It is, however, a little on the dark side, and gets close to veering into oversaturation in some scenes.

I decided to try a little experiment.

I reencoded the movie with Avisynth filters with a very small bump in contrast and a high bitrate. After three tries, I found a good balance of contrast, black level and saturation (subjective, of course). I think mine looks better than theirs, at least on my large projection screen.

Any chance you could post a screencap or 2 of your experimental version using the Criterion transfer and if possible compare it to the same shot in the untouched Criterion transfer?

[BluMonday]

Originally Posted by Daddyo

Love the Criterion blu-ray. Don't give a shit what it looked like in theaters 35 years ago.

Daddyo just dropped the mic.

[nagysaudio]

Originally Posted by Daddyo

Love the Criterion blu-ray. Don't give a shit what it looked like in theaters 35 years ago.

You win the internet. Bravo!

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Daddyo

Love the Criterion blu-ray. Don't give a shit what it looked like in theaters 35 years ago.

I don't care what anyone says, that's pretty damn funny.

[dwk]

Originally Posted by Goremeister100

They aren't a strong greenish blue tint. They're regular white neon lights. The glass on the outside of that room has a green tint. That being said, I watched the Criterion and that screenshot of Lack looking all green doesn't look as green on my tv. When taking a screenshot, it looks a hell of a lot greener. Can't figure this out. It's like the green comes out even more in the screenshot for some reason. I still favor the colors on the Subkultur disc though since it's closer to how it looked 33 years ago.

Weirdly that sounds like the same thing with Criterion's THIEF Blu-ray. The screenshots (infamously, the shot of the judge) look really blue/teal, but it doesn't look like that on my tv.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by dwk

Weirdly that sounds like the same thing with Criterion's THIEF Blu-ray. The screenshots (infamously, the shot of the judge) look really blue/teal, but it doesn't look like that on my tv.

Then you need to calibrate your PC monitor (assuming your TV is already calibrated)

In fact, it has become quite obvious now that a lot of people on various forums need to do it. If what you are seeing on your TV, or on your wall from your projector, isn't matching what you are seeing on your PC monitor, the issue is with your PC monitor, not with the screencaptures.

Calibration is essential.

Pro-B

[mdonovan]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Then you need to calibrate your PC monitor (assuming your TV is already calibrated)

In fact, it has become quite obvious now that a lot of people on various forums need to do it. If what you are seeing on your TV, or on your wall from your projector, isn't matching what you are seeing on your PC monitor, the issue is with your PC monitor, not with the screencaptures.

Calibration is essential.

Pro-B

I think what he was saying is that select screen grabs to not represent the film in motion and many times can be misleading ... As in the case of Thief, and now, it seems, Scanners. Also, it depends on how the screen captures are being created,

[MifuneFan]

Thief and Scanners are both from 1981, what are the odds

[Monty70]

Originally Posted by Goremeister100

They aren't a strong greenish blue tint. They're regular white neon lights. The glass on the outside of that room has a green tint. That being said, I watched the Criterion and that screenshot of Lack looking all green doesn't look as green on my tv. When taking a screenshot, it looks a hell of a lot greener. Can't figure this out. It's like the green comes out even more in the screenshot for some reason. I still favor the colors on the Subkultur disc though since it's closer to how it looked 33 years ago.

OK, look at the scene again. When the man goes up the stairs and enters the little room that is between the stairs and the control room. The same color we see in the control room is evident in that small room as he opens the first door. Obviously no glass there as he walks on through the second door and in to the control room. (again this is the man who walks up the stairs before Lack) The glass does seem to accentuate the light in control room though.

Time on BD is 59 min. 31 sec.

I noticed the walls are a weird bluish color in those rooms, similar to the colors that dominate that scene.

[Show spoiler] Perhaps Cronenburg was attempting to relay the cold and calculating nature of what Revok is up to in that control room by the use of color.

[Goremeister100]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Then you need to calibrate your PC monitor (assuming your TV is already calibrated)

In fact, it has become quite obvious now that a lot of people on various forums need to do it. If what you are seeing on your TV, or on your wall from your projector, isn't matching what you are seeing on your PC monitor, the issue is with your PC monitor, not with the screencaptures.

Calibration is essential.

Pro-B

No, it isn't that. I watched it on my PC and it doesn't look as green as that screenshot we've all seen. There's a slight green tint but nothing major. It's when I take the screenshot that the pics turn out extra green. The screenshot enhances the green for some reason.

My tv isn't calibrated and that scene looks fine. The screenshots are the issue.

[dwk]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Then you need to calibrate your PC monitor (assuming your TV is already calibrated)

In fact, it has become quite obvious now that a lot of people on various forums need to do it. If what you are seeing on your TV, or on your wall from your projector, isn't matching what you are seeing on your PC monitor, the issue is with your PC monitor, not with the screencaptures.

Calibration is essential.

Pro-B

TV has been calibrated and my PC monitor has only been tweaked a little.

I do think that uncalibrated monitors is an issue with how people jump to conclusions when viewing screencaps, but just about the only properly taken Blu-ray screencap that I've felt was drastically different than the picture on my TV is the judge shot from THIEF (my copy of SCANNERS hasn't arrived, so I can't comment about that.)

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Goremeister100

No, it isn't that. I watched it on my PC and it doesn't look as green as that screenshot we've all seen. There's a slight green tint but nothing major. It's when I take the screenshot that the pics turn out extra green. The screenshot enhances the green for some reason.

My tv isn't calibrated and that scene looks fine. The screenshots are the issue.

Let me make this very clear here: The screencaptures provided with the review, which I took, are identical to what is stored on the disc. I can do multiple overlaps -- directly on a TV set, a screencapture plus the BD paused -- and they look 100% identical. In other words, if you are seeing something different, you need to check your equipment/displays/projector. There are no issues with the screencaptures.

Originally Posted by dwk

I do think that uncalibrated monitors is an issue with how people jump to conclusions when viewing screencaps, but just about the only properly taken Blu-ray screencap that I've felt was drastically different than the picture on my TV is the judge shot from THIEF (my copy of SCANNERS hasn't arrived, so I can't comment about that.)

I very much agree It is a very big issue because I can tell by the way people sometime describe what they see that there is something that is off on their end.

Pro-B

[dwk]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

I very much agree It is a very big issue because I can tell by the way people sometime describe what they see that there is something that is off on their end.

Pro-B

I've gone back and looked at the THIEF screenshot of the judge here and at the Criterionforum's review and I have to admit that they are not too far off from how the film looked on my TV. I must have had the internet whining about Criterion/Mann tealing up the film in my mind when I watched the disc and forgot how the screencaps actually looked.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by dwk

I've gone back and looked at the THIEF screenshot of the judge here and at the Criterionforum's review and I have to admit that they are not too far off from how the film looked on my TV. I must have had the internet whining about Criterion/Mann tealing up the film in my mind when I watched the disc and forgot how the screencaps actually looked.

No worries. Sometimes the mind can tell the eyes what to see

Pro-B

[mdonovan]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Let me make this very clear here: The screencaptures provided with the review, which I took, are identical to what is stored on the disc. I can do multiple overlaps -- directly on a TV set, a screencapture plus the BD paused -- and they look 100% identical. In other words, if you are seeing something different, you need to check your equipment/displays/projector. There are no issues with the screencaptures.



I very much agree It is a very big issue because I can tell by the way people sometime describe what they see that there is something that is off on their end.

Pro-B

So you can screen capture directly from your set ? Screen captures on a PC go through a color profile unless you are extracting the frames directly(not using screen capture tools)

If you can capture from your set and from your PC ... Please post those images extracted and uncompressed. I will run them through NUKE and difference them. Although bringing them both into photoshop would at least tell you of they are the same. (Photoshop imposes it's own color space on images by default)

I have viewed this on a calibrated set and was very happy with the picture.