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[ps3bd_owner]

Seems like the so-called NX controller is just a fake slick device.

The GamePad was bad enough of a controller but this would've been miles worse. Thank Miyamoto this isn't the real thing. Heck, just give us a traditional controller like the one below (also not real but pretty cool).

[Show spoiler]

Or take upon the Gioteck GC-2 design layout and use that. Of course they won't, Nintendo is bound to show up some weird gimmicky controller that no one asked for.

Anyway, been playing Pokkén with the GC-2 controller and wouldn't have it any other way. Way better for my hands than the GamePad or Wii U Pro Controller. The Hori Pokkén Controller looks illogical due to the lack of an analogue stick.

Edit: Bring back analogue triggers!

[Mavrick]

Welp.

Codename NX - YouTube

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

Seems like the so-called NX controller is just a fake slick device.

The GamePad was bad enough of a controller but this would've been miles worse. Thank Miyamoto this isn't the real thing. Heck, just give us a traditional controller like the one below (also not real but pretty cool).

[Show spoiler]

Or take upon the Gioteck GC-2 design layout and use that. Of course they won't, Nintendo is bound to show up some weird gimmicky controller that no one asked for.

Anyway, been playing Pokkén with the GC-2 controller and wouldn't have it any other way. Way better for my hands than the GamePad or Wii U Pro Controller. The Hori Pokkén Controller looks illogical due to the lack of an analogue stick.

Edit: Bring back analogue triggers!

I'd LOVE for that to be the official NX controller! Of course it wont be. It would make too much damn sense.

[Mavrick]

The reddit post for anyone who wants to read up about the fake https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/...ame_nx/d1ce8fz

[jimidini]

Other photo is fake too (well duh)

Making the "leaked NX controller" - YouTube

"I knew it was fake as soon as I saw it was from Finland :P No one over here would have an NX devkit"

Haha

Fascinating, this one was 3D printed. Looked way too good to be a photoshop. That got me fooled a bit. At least it wasn't photoshopped :P I didn't think about 3D printed fakes urgh. Some years ago this would have been really difficult to pull off.

[ChadFL]

Even if these pics were a hoax I think that controller is going to look an awful lot like the real NX controller. All the rumors to date as well as patents point to the controller looking similar to what that guy created.

[Derb]

So far I think the photos fakes have been fairly accurate but I don't know why they keep putting analog sticks on them.

[dyne]

http://mynintendonews.com/2016/03/28/rumour/

It’s a new day which means that it is time for yet another Nintendo NX rumour! This time the information comes from Reddit user stimpak_vendor who claims he works for a AAA development firm that has access to Nintendo NX development kits. stimpak_vendor claims that the platform is slightly more powerful than Sony’s popular PlayStation 4 system and also uses ARM Architecture. Here’s what he had to say about the matter.

Our devkit’s controller:

Doesn’t have an oval screen. Ours is a standard rectangle.

Has physical buttons with a screen behind them.

It doesn’t have a form shifting screen, nor does it have a touchscreen with haptic feedback.

Is hardwired to the devkit, which looks like a boring black box with some USB ports and a disc drive.

However, that fake does get a couple things right. It does have scroll wheel shoulder buttons, but in addition to them it also has two regular shoulder buttons labeled ZL and ZR. It also has a headphone jack in the bottom of the controller.

Physical buttons is good. Seems like a refresh of the current Gamepad (which in way would be odd with one point below).

Some other things I can tell you:

I don’t know if the NX is backwards compatible with the Wii U or 3DS or not, but it doesn’t look like it is. The system is different enough from both that I think it would be hard to play games from other consoles.

The controller is sort of a game system in its own, but it’s not a replacement for the 3DS. It works like a companion app on a phone, and you can take it with you and control some things from your game, like how the VMU on the Dreamcast let you take a Chao with you and train it.

No one outside Nintendo knows what the NX’s name is. It’s still the NX here internally.

Isn't this what we have all those spare controllers lying around for? A GC controller and adapter that works with one game, Wiimotes for the Wii and classic controllers for VC?

Also with my point from above, why refresh the Gamepad if you're not aiming for BC? That makes no sense. Nobody supported or wanted it this gen. I also don't going to ARM (I mean I do from a cost/heat mentality since that's what's in the 3DS). If you're sacrificing BC as it is, why go with an architecture that will probably not carry over to a new architecture (post NX) easily? Take a page out of everybody else and use PC parts and ensure BC for the future.

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by dyne

Isn't this what we have all those spare controllers lying around for? A GC controller and adapter that works with one game, Wiimotes for the Wii and classic controllers for VC?
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I dont think that comment was about the gamepad, but the actual hardware itself. Kind of like how the PS4 cant play PS3 games.

[dyne]

Originally Posted by Havok83

I dont think that comment was about the gamepad, but the actual hardware itself. Kind of like how the PS4 cant play PS3 games.

Yeah that makes sense. Weird though considering the 3DS is ARM but yet this NX is different enough to not be BC with it.

[Mavrick]

I do wonder if the controller is going to use Sharps Free Form Display tech, Nintedndo.

It was rumoured that the next DS would use it, maybe the NX will too? Free Form Display lets them put displays in to unconventional designs, a bit like what the fake controller showed.

The displays are an evolution of Sharp's IGZO technology, and can be cut into virtually any shape. (Nintendo reportedly, inexplicably wants a doughnut-shaped display with a hole in the middle.) The gate driver circuits are embedded into the active area of the display, allowing for ultra-thin bezels and unprecedented form factors.

Sharp's prototypes are mostly showing demo loops of driving information; it's clear that one obvious application is installing displays that take advantage of any available space on unusual surfaces like a car dashboard. But what could Nintendo do with such a technology? We'll likely have to wait until next year, when the displays go into mass production.

Sharp Free Form Displays, circular Smartphone, fancy car dashboards and no-bezel digital signage - YouTube

[Derb]

Originally Posted by dyne

"It’s a new day which means that it is time for yet another Nintendo NX rumour! This time the information comes from Reddit user stimpak_vendor who claims he works for a AAA development firm that has access to Nintendo NX development kits. stimpak_vendor claims that the platform is slightly more powerful than Sony’s popular PlayStation 4 system and also uses ARM Architecture. Here’s what he had to say about the matter."

The Nintendo prez claims it ain't as powerful as the Xbox One.

Maybe Nintendo still has a few PR tricks up its sleeve.

[ps3bd_owner]

It would be seen as a lazy attempt by some but Nintendo should perhaps do a "Complete Edition" of the following games:
- Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
- Mario Kart 8 (with possibly new racing tracks and actual Battle Mode stages)
- Splatoon (it could work with a Wiimote + Nunchuk then pressing two buttons to jump anywhere on the map)
- Hyrule Warriors
- Star Fox Zero
- Pokkén Tournament (there are spots free on the roster and the game doesn't graphically look very impressive on Wii U)
- Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash - Complete Edition (it's a joke the game's doomed )

Zelda 2016 is probably going to be a cross-platform game for the NX too so not necessary to add to that list.

[jimidini]

Originally Posted by dyne

use PC parts and ensure BC for the future.

Mark my words. PS5 will not be backward compatible either.

Why do that, when you already noticed that gamers nowadays really love to buy the same games over and over again and the same gamers complain at the same time about spending a few bucks for backward compatibility.

Hell, Sony could have easily AT THE VERY LEAST offered PS1+PS2 digital "compatibility", so that you don't need to re-buy your digital virtual console purchases. But they didn't. They didn't even offer an upgrade fee. They could have of course also simply allowed people to insert their PS1+PS2 discs and play those, but why do that, when you can ask for money instead.

Let me quote Sony back from the PS3 days about why they removed backward compatibility from PS3:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/10...cut_ps3_cost/1

It was part of an effort to "encourage buyers of the entry-level PlayStation 3 to purchase more games designed specifically for the new system."

And PC parts don't make backward compatibility easy anyway either. Just think about it - Xbox One should be hardware compatible with the original Xbox, right? But it isn't. Or original Xbox emulators should be an easy thing to do, right? Strangely there is still no emulator available.

Hell, Microsoft Windows doesn't offer proper backward compatibility, even on the same hardware, but with just changed software.

Originally Posted by dyne

http://mynintendonews.com/2016/03/28/rumour/

Someone claims to be. Someone claims to know. I call BS.

Originally Posted by dyne

Isn't this what we have all those spare controllers lying around for? A GC controller and adapter that works with one game, Wiimotes for the Wii and classic controllers for VC?

That's what makes no sense. In case Nintendo goes with ARM (and I think they are going to do that in case architectures are somewhat shared between home console + portable, because using x86 for a portable would be completely insane), I see BC as a given. I hope they continue their BC trend, because that was one of the major reasons for me to buy a Wii U and a DS and a 3DS. Even if the controller is completely different, they can simply support the old controllers including the Wii U gamepad. I don't see any technical restriction for that to not work. It works fine on Wii U already.

And it would make sense for Nintendo too. They can simply sell their older games digitally without any real effort and those games will work properly. See Wii U. I'm absolutely certain that niche games like for example Zack & Wiki would have never been sold digitally without hardware compatibility. Who would put more money into that one?

However what they could do better this time is making for example the Gamecube adapter work for all sorts of games instead of Smash Bros only. That's complaining on a very high level though.

[ps3bd_owner]

Hell, Microsoft Windows doesn't offer proper backward compatibility, even on the same hardware, but with just changed software.

It's great actually, selective? Yeah sure but aside that, the games work just like they did back then on the 360. PS3 60GB PAL systems emulated PS2 games than use the real hardware so stuff like demo discs didn't play and visually there was games that looked better and worse.

GT4 on PS3 60GB looks breathtakingly awesome.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

It would be seen as a lazy attempt by some but Nintendo should perhaps do a "Complete Edition" of the following games:
- Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
- Mario Kart 8 (with possibly new racing tracks and actual Battle Mode stages)
- Splatoon (it could work with a Wiimote + Nunchuk then pressing two buttons to jump anywhere on the map)
- Hyrule Warriors
- Star Fox Zero
- Pokkén Tournament (there are spots free on the roster and the game doesn't graphically look very impressive on Wii U)
- Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash - Complete Edition (it's a joke the game's doomed )

Zelda 2016 is probably going to be a cross-platform game for the NX too so not necessary to add to that list.

I'd substitute Mario Tennis with Mario Maker. Not sure about Hyrule Warriors either. Otherwise your list looks pretty realistic. I could see the rest of those being re mastered for NX. I'd absolutely buy Zelda, Splatoon, Smash Bros, and Mario Kart 8 on launch day if they were available.

[jimidini]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

It's great actually, selective?

Tons of games don't work properly. Tons of regular software also doesn't work.
Hell, even Microsoft products often simply do not work anymore on newer Windows versions. Like for example Microsoft Office.
Which could of course be on purpose, so that people buy the next one. Sometimes you can get it to work somehow, but it should work immediately without me tinkering with it.

Try for example all sorts of older Windows 9x games on Windows 8 or Windows 10 and at least plenty won't work anymore.
For example Myst. Or the later Sierra adventure games released 1996 or 1997, that actually shipped with a Windows interpreter only.

Backward compatibility SHOULD always be: EVERYTHING WORKS. That's what I expect on a console.

Even PS2s PS1 backward compatibility was not perfect. For example Metal Gear Solid Missions disc did not work at all. Wii U backward compatibility is afaik perfect. There was 1 digital game, that did not work for a few months (as in - could not be transferred from Wii to Wii U), but Nintendo fixed that.

Yeah sure but aside that, the games work just like they did back then on the 360.

Certain games only. And it's emulated, so they don't work exactly how they worked on a 360. Sure, I guess no more screen tearing is kinda nice, but they should have done exactly that on 360 already. Frame rate will suffer because of that though. Wii U has no screen tearing at all except for I think 2 games in total, no idea how those 2 games managed to do it.

PS3 60GB PAL systems emulated PS2 games than use the real hardware so stuff like demo discs didn't play and visually there was games that looked better and worse.

European PS3s had 1 chip removed and replaced with software emulation and that worked pretty badly already. European PS3s used part hardware part software backward compatibility, while customers were supposed to pay the highest price worldwide for it. It was basically a big "**** you" to customers. I didn't get a PS3 until 2009 especially because of that.

[ps3bd_owner]

BC is for convenience and a nice bonus feature but not an absolute necessity because if a person's buying a new console then it's to play new games. I don't see the big deal anyway.

Just plug in the previous gen console.

[TheProf89]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

BC is for convenience and a nice bonus feature but not an absolute necessity because if a person's buying a new console then it's to play new games. I don't see the big deal anyway.

Just plug in the previous gen console.

Yep, no one was griping about Backwards compatibility when going from nes to snes

[dyne]

Originally Posted by TheProf89

Yep, no one was griping about Backwards compatibility when going from nes to snes

Probably because it wasn't known about being possible from most people back then. It wasn't expected. Now there's a certain expectation.