Disney+'s - Loki (Season 2)

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by John1701D

A variant of Loki as described by the show would still be Loki. Like turning left when he should have turned right.

There's thousands of degrees of separation involved in being an Alligator.

Trevrox said earlier Kang was lying and there really has been a multiverse all along. But if that's the truth, then what happened at the end of the episode?

haha we may need to talk when I get back.

The multiverse started when as he was saying each version of himself discovered the others existed. Which is fine that does not cause an issue. What caused the issue was them traveling to meet each other and sharing technology. Then once greed sets in war happens for someone to dominate all the universes.

Thus one timeline with one Kang was created. A time line where he can control which way things go. So you have a timeline that flows in a circle with no start and no end. In that time line branches are still created, but those branches are allowed. They are still under his control. What is happening at the end is the branches reaching out to connect to the other time streams. All the doors that were closed are now open. Another Kang has already taken power over the TVA which is why they say does he want us to do anything.

[mwynn]

Every choice we make makes a time variant.

Do I get up or stay in bed, variant.
Do I get water or juice, variant.
Do I order food or cook, variant.

Not every action affects the time line, so is allowed.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Thus one timeline with one Kang was created. A time line where he can control which way things go. So you have a timeline that flows in a circle with no start and no end. In that time line branches are still created, but those branches are allowed. They are still under his control. What is happening at the end is the branches reaching out to connect to the other time streams. All the doors that were closed are now open. Another Kang has already taken power over the TVA which is why they say does he want us to do anything.

So why do the TVA agents steal people from other universes (not timelines), without knowing that they are not stealing "Time Variants" (like 2012 LOKI), but interdimensional counterparts ---- without any concrete reason to do that!?

[John1701D]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Every choice we make makes a time variant.

Do I get up or stay in bed, variant.
Do I get water or juice, variant.
Do I order food or cook, variant.

Not every action affects the time line, so is allowed.

Do I continue to watch Loki or not? Wrong answer, turn into an Alligator.

[mwynn]

Remember when Sylvie asked Ravonna, what her Nexus event was and she said she did not remember. She did not have a nexus event. All a paved path.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by John1701D

Do I continue to watch Loki or not? Wrong answer, turn into an Alligator.

Variant.
Now you know where Chicken Boo comes from.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Every choice we make makes a time variant.

Do I get up or stay in bed, variant.
Do I get water or juice, variant.
Do I order food or cook, variant.

Not every action affects the time line, so is allowed.

Alternate universes just exist.

TVA agents believe alternate universes do NOT exist anymore, but they steal people from other universes, not time branches.
They just know that there's a single timeline guarded by the Time-Keepers, but they steal people from other universes... without knowing it???!!!!!????

Massive plotholes. Bad writing.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Remember when Sylvie asked Ravonna, what her Nexus event was and she said she did not remember. She did not have a nexus event. All a paved path.

It doesn't matter what she remembers (or not).

TVA agents stole her from an alternate universe, not the "single MCU timeline" they believe in. What did they believe she was coming from when they "retrieved" her?

[mwynn]

Some need to either read more comics. Because most of this stuff is in the comics. Or watch Rick and Morty.

[John1701D]

Originally Posted by mwynn

haha we may need to talk when I get back.

The multiverse started when as he was saying each version of himself discovered the others existed. Which is fine that does not cause an issue. What caused the issue was them traveling to meet each other and sharing technology. Then once greed sets in war happens for someone to dominate all the universes.

Thus one timeline with one Kang was created. A time line where he can control which way things go. So you have a timeline that flows in a circle with no start and no end. In that time line branches are still created, but those branches are allowed. They are still under his control. What is happening at the end is the branches reaching out to connect to the other time streams. All the doors that were closed are now open. Another Kang has already taken power over the TVA which is why they say does he want us to do anything.

OK, with this I may be finally getting it. Kind of.

There are other timelines with weird things like Sylvie but they only branch from the sacred timeline which is basically walled off from the rest and those branches Kang was ok with. Those branches had their own variants that had to be pruned.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by mwynn

[IMG]Some need to either read more comics. Because most of this stuff is in the comics.

With a vastly better writing and coherent plotline. That's true.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

It doesn't matter what she remembers (or not).

TVA agents stole her from an alternate universe, not the "single MCU timeline" they believe in. What did they believe she was coming from when they "retrieved" her?

You literally have made multiple timelines for movies. Do the research and figure it out. Stop asking me because I have nothing for you.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by John1701D

OK, with this I may be finally getting it. Kind of.

There are other timelines with weird things like Sylvie but they only branch from the sacred timeline which is basically walled off from the rest and those branches Kang was ok with. Those branches had their own variants that had to be pruned.

They are not branches. Sylvie, the Alligator Loki, Classic Loki, Kid Loki, they all come from alternate universes, not time branches branching off from the "single MCU timeline" LMAO.
TVA agents stole them from alternate universes without knowing they were jumping into alternate universes........ it doesn't make sense.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by mwynn

You literally have made multiple timelines for movies. Do the research and figure it out. Stop asking me because I have nothing for you.

You know I'm 100% right on this, but can't admit it.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by John1701D

OK, with this I may be finally getting it. Kind of.

There are other timelines with weird things like Sylvie but they only branch from the sacred timeline which is basically walled off from the rest and those branches Kang was ok with. Those branches had their own variants that had to be pruned.

Yes he used Alioth to deal with them. But again as shown time has no end. Remember he said he would be reincarnated. Which means the others cannot die. They probably exist beyond time. Which is why I posted that quote from Dr Strange. He wanted to be beyond(outside) of time so he could be immortal. Like Kang.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

You know I'm 100% right on this, but can't admit it.

Opinions Vary as all ways.
Think whatever you need to.

[John1701D]

To me an alternate universe and a time branch are the same thing. If a branch happened thousands of years ago that current branch could be very different from ours.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by John1701D

To me an alternate universe and a time branch are the same thing. If a branch happened thousands of years ago that current branch could be very different from ours.

YES, but they deal with time branches caused by time travel. Or they are supposed to do so.
They = TVA agents.

So HOW they believe in a single MCU timeline, if they steal people from unrelated, parallel alternate universes. Without even knowing it! LOL.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by John1701D

To me an alternate universe and a time branch are the same thing. If a branch happened thousands of years ago that current branch could be very different from ours.

First read Avengers: The Terminatrix Objective when you have time.

Secondly yes. Before He who remains separated his timeline to keep the others out.

Think of the branches trying to reconnect to multiple other trees. You would think that the others had the same idea.

Look at the video again. Multiple time lines are shown.

[Rodney-2187]

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This is the way I see it, your mileage may vary. I'm open to ideas.

A variant causes a change in the timeline that's significant enough to essentially create an alternate reality. The TVA shows up, removes the variant, and resets the timeline, effectively eliminating that alternate reality. The variant is then either mind-wiped and made a TVA agent, or destroyed. (They didn't mind-wipe our Loki because they wanted his knowledge to help catch Sylvie.)

The Ancient One told Banner that leaving with the Infinity Stone would create a branch and refereed to it as a new reality. Returning the stone effectively erased that alternate reality.

Previously there were many different realities, and many versions of Nathaniel Richards. They eventually start fighting until only one remained, and that's who we met, He Who Remains. (I believe this is different in the comics.) He likely brought variants from extremely different realities into that void during his fight against the others. Sylvie says she was pruned before our Loki ever existed.

When Sylvie kills him, the timeline starts reverting back to what I consider it's natural state, which is infinite iterations and possibilities., branches off branches off branches. This of course will inevitably result in multiple versions of Nathaniel Richards again, and one of them will be Kang the Conqueror who we will see in Multiverse of Madness (and possibly Quantumania.)

I don't think a graphic on a monitor can properly represent all that.