Official Denon Owners Thread

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

if it's set to LFE, which is the highest setting available, it will be controlled by the input signal from your receiver. if you have it set to auto, that's fine for after the calibration is done. when doing the calibration, it should be set to on so there is no chance of it not being able to respond to the signal being sent to it during calibration.

also, when you did your calibration, did you hear the sub "thumping" at all when the test was done? how many positions did you do during the calibration? I did all 8 positions with mine.

good luck, keep us posted.

Yes, I did 8 positions and the sub thumped all of them but really low, don't know why it was that low. The rest of the speakers did alright just the surround one have more volume than FL/FR. I will play more and run more calibrations, but I couldn't find a way to turn it off. Was showing just reference or flat.

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Yes, I did 8 positions and the sub thumped all of them but really low, don't know why it was that low. The rest of the speakers did alright just the surround one have more volume than FL/FR. I will play more and run more calibrations, but I couldn't find a way to turn it off. Was showing just reference or flat.

Here is another vid to watch, its partial reason I said I hate where you sub is located.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3oLLMgS-M

BTW,

[Show spoiler]I still hate where you have your sub... lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4o13mNmlaA

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by superpacman

Here is another vid to watch, its partial reason I said I hate where you sub is located.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3oLLMgS-M

BTW,

[Show spoiler]I still hate where you have your sub... lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4o13mNmlaA

Will try to run calibration with the sub in different spot. Now what is the best volume set to run calibration? 50%,20%,100% more % will calibrate at high volume or the other way around.
I really like the look where the sub is but if it sound better on another spot, then will be there.

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Will try to run calibration with the sub in different spot. Now what is the best volume set to run calibration? 50%,20%,100% more % will calibrate at high volume or the other way around.
I really like the look where the sub is but if it sound better on another spot, then will be there.

That isn't the point, it isn't about having higher volume on either device(sub amp or receiver), by having a SPL meter will help give you the proper db levels needed for your room/location.

Yet, I believe your AVR will give you the db level needed before actually doing the calibration. With mine I still use a SPL meter, and I even make my subs hotter afterwards.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by superpacman

That isn't the point, it isn't about having higher volume on either device(sub amp or receiver), by having a SPL meter will help give you the proper db levels needed for your room/location.

Yet, I believe your AVR will give you the db level needed before actually doing the calibration. With mine I still use a SPL meter, and I even make my subs hotter afterwards.

I make all of my speakers hotter after calibration, especially the front heights (+7db) and the surround sides (+5db)

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[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by superpacman

That isn't the point, it isn't about having higher volume on either device(sub amp or receiver), by having a SPL meter will help give you the proper db levels needed for your room/location.

Yet, I believe your AVR will give you the db level needed before actually doing the calibration. With mine I still use a SPL meter, and I even make my subs hotter afterwards.

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I make all of my speakers hotter after calibration, especially the front heights (+7db) and the surround sides (+5db)

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Yes, that's what I'm looking, something pretty much good then hotter a little bit. But the sub didn't get any hotter at maximum db. Seem that LFE doesn't let you crank it, it has to be in LFE+Main.

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I make all of my speakers hotter after calibration, especially the front heights (+7db) and the surround sides (+5db)

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Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Yes, that's what I'm looking, something pretty much good then hotter a little bit. But the sub didn't get any hotter at maximum db. Seem that LFE doesn't let you crank it, it has to be in LFE+Main.

The way RockyIII said the way he is making them hotter doesn't have the same meaning as what I am talking about.

His way will only bring the system to reference point before the dial is actually hitting '0'. When you set your speakers level to the 75db during calibration, that actually mean that all speakers will be at 75db when the dial hits the '0'. Without making all speakers hotter as described, you can still go beyond reference level by getting into the plus side of '0' on the dial.

When I say making my subs hotter, I will have all of my speakers calibrated to 75db's when the dial reaches '0'(reference), but by having the sub hotter, it will actually be at 85db's , that is what I mean by being hotter.


*********EDIT*********

I mis-read a little of what RockyIII said, I make a change by saying his front heights will be 7db's higher when at reference, and his sides will be 5db's higher, just like my sub will be 10db's higher then the rest of my system.

[Dwayne]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Yes, that's what I'm looking, something pretty much good then hotter a little bit. But the sub didn't get any hotter at maximum db. Seem that LFE doesn't let you crank it, it has to be in LFE+Main.

I had the same problem with my sub when setting my system up. I did the sub-woofer crawl at least 20 times and ran Audyessey many times. The advice that SUPERPACMAN has given you is spot on and that was the way I did mine. My Denon is set to LFE+Main with setting my fronts as SMALL with 60hz as my fronts crossover, and then I ran everything a little hotter as needed. I still was not getting that thump I was needing from my sub so I bought another and with 2 subs I finally achieved the sound I wanted. Audyessey is nowhere perfect but it will get you close so I do suggest getting an SPL meter to get your db levels better. Something else you may want to try is for music only, especially for streaming and C.D.s is setting your Reference Level Offset from 0 to 10 or 15. This does make music sound a little better.

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by Dwayne

I had the same problem with my sub when setting my system up. I did the sub-woofer crawl at least 20 times and ran Audyessey many times. The advice that SUPERPACMAN has given you is spot on and that was the way I did mine. My Denon is set to LFE+Main with setting my fronts as SMALL with 60hz as my fronts crossover, and then I ran everything a little hotter as needed. I still was not getting that thump I was needing from my sub so I bought another and with 2 subs I finally achieved the sound I wanted. Audyessey is nowhere perfect but it will get you close so I do suggest getting an SPL meter to get your db levels better. Something else you may want to try is for music only, especially for streaming and C.D.s is setting your Reference Level Offset from 0 to 10 or 15. This does make music sound a little better.

I got mine working good now. Still some tricks I need to do but are less. Like, moving the center speaker below the TV and swap surround with surround back speakers to check the difference. Still preferred the bi pole at surround as there are more sound demand than SRB.

About the sub, I did the same as you with the settings.

At calibration set the sub @ 85db from 75db before.
Set to LFE+Main, fronts speakers set to small and crossover from 40hz to 60hz.
Now I have to go and lower the sub level sometime.

Don't know why you have to buy a second sub to keep them at 40% power when you can put one at 80%, unless your room is large and your sub was max out.

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

I got mine working good now. Still some tricks I need to do but are less. Like, moving the center speaker below the TV and swap surround with surround back speakers to check the difference. Still preferred the bi pole at surround as there are more sound demand than SRB.

About the sub, I did the same as you with the settings.

At calibration set the sub @ 85db from 75db before.
Set to LFE+Main, fronts speakers set to small and crossover from 40hz to 60hz.
Now I have to go and lower the sub level sometime.

Don't know why you have to buy a second sub to keep them at 40% power when you can put one at 80%, unless your room is large and your sub was max out.

Im a little confused with how you are resetting the sub from 75db to 85db's after the calibration without a SPL meter.

Or are you telling us, that you are setting the sub to 85db's when the calibration is going on? If you are, then your sub isn't really set to 85db's.
Audyessy plays a little trick on people, although you set the subs to 85db's before the calibration, Audyessy will automatically set them to 75db's during the calibration.

You will need that SPL meter to adjust from 75db's to 85db's after the calibration is over.

The SPL is also important to have when you learn the levels you like with your speakers. I use to adjust a lot after the calibration with my Onkyo 805 which is using XT, but it doesn't seem to be any real re-adjustments using XT32. I'm usually really happy with the results, except for the subwoofer levels(they gotta be hot... lol)

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by superpacman

Im a little confused with how you are resetting the sub from 75db to 85db's after the calibration without a SPL meter.

Or are you telling us, that you are setting the sub to 85db's when the calibration is going on? If you are, then your sub isn't really set to 85db's.
Audyessy plays a little trick on people, although you set the subs to 85db's before the calibration, Audyessy will automatically set them to 75db's during the calibration.

You will need that SPL meter to adjust from 75db's to 85db's after the calibration is over.

The SPL is also important to have when you learn the levels you like with your speakers. I use to adjust a lot after the calibration with my Onkyo 805 which is using XT, but it doesn't seem to be any real re-adjustments using XT32. I'm usually really happy with the results, except for the subwoofer levels(they gotta be hot... lol)

When you start the Audyessy calibration, the first one is the sub level db. Exactly what you said, it tells you to go to 75db and turns green BUT I went to 85db instead and click continue like that. So, I guess it did leave it like that as I had more bass from that calibration.

[anim8r79]

Does anyone have any info on when the DTS:X update is supposed to happen for the rest of the line? I know the upper-end models have the firmware available and the other is "Summer 2016" but I'm impatient and want it now.

I have the S710w. It's a very nice receiver, handles Atmos very well. It does have an annoying buzz after it's been on for a few hours. Anyone else have this issue?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

I got mine working good now. Still some tricks I need to do but are less. Like, moving the center speaker below the TV and swap surround with surround back speakers to check the difference. Still preferred the bi pole at surround as there are more sound demand than SRB.

About the sub, I did the same as you with the settings.

At calibration set the sub @ 85db from 75db before.
Set to LFE+Main, fronts speakers set to small and crossover from 40hz to 60hz.
Now I have to go and lower the sub level sometime.

Don't know why you have to buy a second sub to keep them at 40% power when you can put one at 80%, unless your room is large and your sub was max out.

Why are you setting the "small" speakers from 40hz to 60hz??

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by anim8r79

Does anyone have any info on when the DTS:X update is supposed to happen for the rest of the line? I know the upper-end models have the firmware available and the other is "Summer 2016" but I'm impatient and want it now.

I have the S710w. It's a very nice receiver, handles Atmos very well. It does have an annoying buzz after it's been on for a few hours. Anyone else have this issue?

June

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

When you start the Audyessy calibration, the first one is the sub level db. Exactly what you said, it tells you to go to 75db and turns green BUT I went to 85db instead and click continue like that. So, I guess it did leave it like that as I had more bass from that calibration.

I kinda guess this might have been the case. Like I mentioned before, since this is the way setup it up, then it isn't 85db's


"Audyessy plays a little trick on people, although you set the subs to 85db's before the calibration, Audyessy XT32 will automatically set them to 75db's during the calibration.

You will need that SPL meter to adjust from 75db's to 85db's after the calibration is over."

SPL meter is a great tool to have, and you will use it more then once, and used far more then just your first time setting up like you are now.

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why are you setting the "small" speakers from 40hz to 60hz??

To pass more bass to the sub and free the AVR from more work. When i changed it the difference was a lot. I also tried yesterday to use Left/Right front speakers bypass on XT32 instead of reference for music and it gave me more clarity on the fronts.

Originally Posted by superpacman

I kinda guess this might have been the case. Like I mentioned before, since this is the way setup it up, then it isn't 85db's


"Audyessy plays a little trick on people, although you set the subs to 85db's before the calibration, Audyessy XT32 will automatically set them to 75db's during the calibration.

You will need that SPL meter to adjust from 75db's to 85db's after the calibration is over."

SPL meter is a great tool to have, and you will use it more then once, and used far more then just your first time setting up like you are now.

Will get the SPL meter to try. I also change the sub place and the bi pole position. Working on the center channel but I can't find the right way to put it below without compromising something. For now is just tilted down and +3db level. Feels ok i guess.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

To pass more bass to the sub and free the AVR from more work.

I think you got it backwards...You want the small speakers in the 80hz to 90hz (even 120hz for atmos speakers) range in order to pass more bass to the sub

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I think you got it backwards...You want the small speakers in the 80hz to 90hz (even 120hz for atmos speakers) range in order to pass more bass to the sub

Ok, so higher hz crossover will pass more bass to the sub. Then leaving it lower at 40hz or 60hz the fronts will get more bass.
Audyssey set my fronts small at 40hz. For me testing 40,60,80 I get the best bass at 60hz while losing some bass at 40 and 80. Sub is at 120hz, center 60hz, surrounds 60hz, atmos i think is 100hz or 90hz.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Ok, so higher hz crossover will pass more bass to the sub. Then leaving it lower at 40hz or 60hz the fronts will get more bass.
Audyssey set my fronts small at 40hz. For me testing 40,60,80 I get the best bass at 60hz while losing some bass at 40 and 80. Sub is at 120hz, center 60hz, surrounds 60hz, atmos i think is 100hz or 90hz.

You should only keep the db levels as set by audyssey, but then the crossovers are a matter of what you are trying to accomplish. Higher crossovers on the small speakers will allow the subwoofer to pick up more of the lower frequencies. Center, fronts, surrounds, and atmos speakers should all be set at 80hz, 90hz, or even higher (once they have been set to "small")

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

You should only keep the db levels as set by audyssey, but then the crossovers are a matter of what you are trying to accomplish. Higher crossovers on the small speakers will allow the subwoofer to pick up more of the lower frequencies. Center, fronts, surrounds, and atmos speakers should all be set at 80hz, 90hz, or even higher (once they have been set to "small")

Well, Audyssey calibration set them at 40hz and I changed them to 60hz. They can handle the lows pretty well.