SPECTRE Review Thread

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

I don't see this series as Bond in name only at all. I just see this as the rough early years of Bond, and now we're moving towards the Bond we know. A lot of what makes Bond the Bond many of us know was in this Craig series. The suave and debonair man, the cold blooded killer, and the incredibly smart super spy. They were all there. But he was also rough around the edges, and the series was updated for a new time, so it has to be different. But it was still Bond. At least in my opinion.

I agree, but I think there are people (and this happened with Skyfall) that don't want a Bond to be Bond and do Bond things, they like the Bond as shown in the first two Craig flicks (that is less classic Bond and more generic modern action hero).

[Infernal King]

There are many, MANY Bond films without Blofeld that I would not call "Bond in name only".

It's fine to want to see them bring back a character (even though I'm not in favor of it) but I think you're way overstating Blofeld's importance in the Bond series.

e: Plus, I'm worried this would open the floodgates to them just straight up remaking the earlier flicks or bringing back all sorts of old characters and villains. Going backward, not forward.

[Doctor Jack]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

It's fine to want to see them bring back a character (even though I'm not in favor of it) but I think you're way overstating Blofeld's importance in the Bond series.

Yes the guy who killed Bonds wife and was the big bad in 5/6 movies is not that important to the series.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

Yes the guy who killed Bonds wife and was the big bad for multiple movies is not that important to the series.

Not so important that every Bond film without Blofeld is "Bond in name only".

But yes, let's start a stupid argument over this.

[Adam_ME]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

Yes the guy who killed Bonds wife and was the big bad in 5/6 movies is not that important to the series.

Blofeld was important, but also royally F'ed up by the producers and eventually McClory. The constant actor changes and different interpretations and ultimately losing the rights to him and literally dumping him from the series in the intro to For Her Thighs Only. He became almost as big a joke as his Austin Powers counterpart.

Honestly, the only Blofelds I could stand in the entire series were the unseen one in From Russia With Love and Telly Savalas' version in OHMSS.

[jceperley]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

If they go back to shooting on film, get Waltz for Blofeld, and have David Arnold do the score, this could be one of the greatest Bond films ever!

Doesn't look like Arnold is coming back. He said in a recent interview that Thomas Newman will be back. For me, I'm glad - wasn't a fan of Arnold, and I really like what Newman did for Skyfall.

[Agent Bond]

I could've done without the possible spoiler, but

Why do people want Blofeld to come back?

Same reason why Joker and Khan were brought back. Its the main character's greatest nemesis.

All the more reason to in Blofeld's case due to the fact Broccoli and Saltzman botched continuity by trying to ignore On Her Majesty's Secret Service and giving us the villain's sh**ty portrayal in Diamonds Are Forever.

[GLaDOS]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Why do people want the Joker in a Batman movie???

Skyfall looked good in parts (the China stuff and the end stuff), but a lot of it had that oh crap it's digital kind of looking video look. I give them credit though at least they shot on the Alexa and not a Red Camera.

Well do I have some good news for you, my friend.

http://collider.com/bond-24-shooting...lm-twin-peaks/

I sincerely hope Hoyte Van Hoytema makes use of the IMAX cameras for Bond 24. His work on Interstellar was amazing.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Agent Bond

I could've done without the possible spoiler, but



Same reason why Joker and Khan were brought back. Its the main character's greatest nemesis.

All the more reason to in Blofeld's case due to the fact Broccoli and Saltzman botched continuity by trying to ignore On Her Majesty's Secret Service and giving us the villain's sh**ty portrayal in Diamonds Are Forever.

If they try to make Blofeld look/act anything like he did in the old days, the only thing most people in the audience will think of is Dr. Evil.

e: Considering how goofy and incompetent the QUANTUM organization ended up being, I don't have much confidence that the writers/producers will be able to make a resurrected SPECTRE look any better.

[Agent Bond]

Basically, he's supposed to look like Charles Grey, but with Donald Pleasence's ruthlessness.

[Xenia]

If they go the Blofeld route I'd like to see him emerge as the leader of Quantum after a hostile takeover once they were picking up the shambles following QoS. That'd be a real cool introduction.

Quantum's head emerges after their defeat... It's Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Xenia

If they go the Blofeld route I'd like to see him emerge as the leader of Quantum after a hostile takeover once they were picking up the shambles following QoS. That'd be a real cool introduction.

Quantum's head emerges after their defeat... It's Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

Agreed. I know audiences didn't like Quantum but I enjoyed how it felt like a new version of SPECTRE. I really don't think that Quantum is that far off reality. It's not outside the realm of possibilities that you have a small group of superpowerful shaping society to fit their vision.

I think it's great to bring back Blofeld.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

If they try to make Blofeld look/act anything like he did in the old days, the only thing most people in the audience will think of is Dr. Evil.

e: Considering how goofy and incompetent the QUANTUM organization ended up being, I don't have much confidence that the writers/producers will be able to make a resurrected SPECTRE look any better.

One meelion dollars! I mean one beelion dollars. Screen-time for Mr. Bigglesworth?

[rewak]

Well that's that ruined, they kept it good for a few movies but now we're into remake not reboot territory.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Xenia

If they go the Blofeld route I'd like to see him emerge as the leader of Quantum after a hostile takeover once they were picking up the shambles following QoS. That'd be a real cool introduction.

Quantum's head emerges after their defeat... It's Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

Blofeld: Mwahahaha! Hello, Mr. Bond! I am the new head of QUANTUM.

Bond: You guys again? Didn't I already take pictures of all the members and interrogated one of your agents, learning everything I needed to know about your organization? Here, let me just do that again.

*tortures next Blofeld flunky, finds out where Blofeld lives, punches him in the face*

Mr. White reads about Blofeld's arrest in the newspaper, sighs and says "Tosca's not for everyone."

[Wireduck1]

Originally Posted by rewak

Well that's that ruined, they kept it good for a few movies but now we're into remake not reboot territory.

If they're going to remake any elements, please let it be a Bond who's competent again, can shave himself, and can maybe hit a barn door when he fires a gun?

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Wireduck1

If they're going to remake any elements, please let it be a Bond who's competent again, can shave himself, and can maybe hit a barn door when he fires a gun?

I'd be up for seeing Daniel Craig wield a gatling gun like The Rock is doing in Furious 7.

[jpthomas27]

Originally Posted by Wireduck1

If they're going to remake any elements, please let it be a Bond who's competent again, can shave himself, and can maybe hit a barn door when he fires a gun?

The current Bond is not incomplete, he is James Bond in the making. It is Bond before he was "BOND".

I'm still unclear as to why most of the fan base thinks that this is a "different" Bond. Why can't everyone grasp the concept that Craig's Bond is the same Bond, but very early in the timeline. Fans are used to seeing a very put together suave, dapper, sophisticated bond, this is where he started.

James Bond was not always that man! Danielle Craig's Bond is who James Bond was before he became the man that has been portrayed in the series since it's inception. These are the events in his life that turned him in to the character we all have come to know. And that character, if you pay attention is very flawed as a person.

Among the things people describe the "real" James Bond as (suave, sophisticated etc...) the classic James Bond character is also emotionally closed off, avoids commitment and personal conflict, is distant and detached from reality. He is self centered and self absorbed to say the least. The closest thing he has to a relationship is Moneypenny...

If you put Daniel Craig's Bond into context with who James Bond becomes then the transformation of the man himself makes sense.

It's not the story of Two Bond's, it's the story of how the events of a man's life changed him forever and why he always seems to be chasing personal ghosts in his life.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by rewak

Well that's that ruined, they kept it good for a few movies but now we're into remake not reboot territory.

Using old characters is not moving into remake territory...They've been using characters from all the movies since Casino Royale, and the last three movies were anything but remakes.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Why do people want Blofeld to come back?

And Skyfall looked great so going back to shooting on film seems like a silly complaint to have.

The main reason why it looked so good was because of Roger Deakins, not the camera. Digital movies (with the Alexa or Sony F65 at least) can look good, but I've yet to see something that wouldn't look as good if not better on film.