Official Denon Owners Thread

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Well, Audyssey calibration set them at 40hz and I changed them to 60hz. They can handle the lows pretty well.

Like I said, and dont take my word for it but do some research, if you have a subwoofer in the setup, you are better off keeping the small speakers at 80-90hz

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Ok, so higher hz crossover will pass more bass to the sub. Then leaving it lower at 40hz or 60hz the fronts will get more bass.
Audyssey set my fronts small at 40hz. For me testing 40,60,80 I get the best bass at 60hz while losing some bass at 40 and 80. Sub is at 120hz, center 60hz, surrounds 60hz, atmos i think is 100hz or 90hz.

Please clarify this one? The 120hz setting, is that set on the sub or in the AVR?

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by superpacman

Please clarify this one? The 120hz setting, is that set on the sub or in the AVR?

AVR bass setting

LEF+Main
120hz

[hometheatergeek]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Ok, so higher hz crossover will pass more bass to the sub. Then leaving it lower at 40hz or 60hz the fronts will get more bass.
Audyssey set my fronts small at 40hz. For me testing 40,60,80 I get the best bass at 60hz while losing some bass at 40 and 80. Sub is at 120hz, center 60hz, surrounds 60hz, atmos i think is 100hz or 90hz.

You really should read this, which is located in the subwoofer sticky area to better understand bass management in a HT system.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=157297

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by hometheatergeek

You really should read this, which is located in the subwoofer sticky area to better understand bass management in a HT system.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=157297

Yes, I have been reading and people have different opinions.

LEF vs LFE+Main in my case I just use it in order to adjust the sub level in the settings. I have all speakers set to small so bass management still there at LEF or LFE+Main.

Like I said Audyssey set my fronts, center, surround at 40hz, so I tried 60 and 80 and I get the best sound in 60hz in music. People also suggest 60hz for music and 80hz for movies. I only have one sub, so I need my fronts towers at 60hz the lowerst. They are rated from 32-2500hz.

I will try this today.

LFE
SUB = 120hz or lower.
Fronts = 60hz Rated 32-2500hz
Center = 80hz
Surround = 80hz
Surround back = 60-80hz Rated 45-2500hz
Atmos = 90-100hz

Music plays most of the time in Stereo

Will be any low frequencies overlap or hole as people says?

[hometheatergeek]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Yes, I have been reading and people have different opinions.

LEF vs LFE+Main in my case I just use it in order to adjust the sub level in the settings. I have all speakers set to small so bass management still there at LEF or LFE+Main.

Like I said Audyssey set my fronts, center, surround at 40hz, so I tried 60 and 80 and I get the best sound in 60hz in music. People also suggest 60hz for music and 80hz for movies. I only have one sub, so I need my fronts towers at 60hz the lowerst. They are rated from 32-2500hz.

I will try this today.

LFE
SUB = 120hz or lower.
Fronts = 60hz Rated 32-2500hz
Center = 80hz
Surround = 80hz
Surround back = 60-80hz Rated 45-2500hz
Atmos = 90-100hz

Music plays most of the time in Stereo

Will be any low frequencies overlap or hole as people says?

You have not been around that long as a member so let me fill you in. Big Daddy was a long time contributor and an expert in all things audio so it is not an opinion of his but more scientific facts. I used to install, integrated and calibrated HT systems for a living and i'm in agreement with Big Daddy's recommendations. What I have been reading of your posts is you are having the same problems as most with regard to getting your subwoofer in phase with your front speakers. If you get that right then you do not need LFE+Main and your overall system will sound better. Audyssey does not always get the phase part correct and if you read more of Big Daddy's post you could learn some of the tweaks that can help you achieve a excellent sounding system. Good luck.

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by hometheatergeek

You have not been around that long as a member so let me fill you in. Big Daddy was a long time contributor and an expert in all things audio so it is not an opinion of his but more scientific facts. I used to install, integrated and calibrated HT systems for a living and i'm in agreement with Big Daddy's recommendations. What I have been reading of your posts is you are having the same problems as most with regard to getting your subwoofer in phase with your front speakers. If you get that right then you do not need LFE+Main and your overall system will sound better. Audyssey does not always get the phase part correct and if you read more of Big Daddy's post you could learn some of the tweaks that can help you achieve a excellent sounding system. Good luck.

So, What will be your recommendation here? Everyone at 80hz, Sub LFE 120hz?

Thanks

[hometheatergeek]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

So, What will be your recommendation here? Everyone at 80hz, Sub LFE 120hz?

Thanks

No It's not the same for everyone. You have not read the article I provided or you would not have ask this question. And I don't usually work for free.

[RockyIII]

The small speakers crossovers are set too low...free info at no charge

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[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by hometheatergeek

No It's not the same for everyone. You have not read the article I provided or you would not have ask this question. And I don't usually work for free.

If is not the same for everyone, why are you telling me that my setup is wrong without ear it? You proved my point, even if is not the science specs as you said, my ears says it is good. 60hz at fronts, is giving me better audio than 80hz. Why will I go with 80 if is giving me bad audio to my ears, because science?

Originally Posted by RockyIII

The small speakers crossovers are set too low...free info at no charge

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Ah,
For the center and surround maybe 60hz is too low, true. Be set at 80hz today. BUT, towers can handle low to 30hz. so will stay at 60hz if 80hz doesn't give me that good sound.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

If is not the same for everyone, why are you telling me that my setup is wrong without ear it? You proved my point, even if is not the science specs as you said, my ears says it is good. 60hz at fronts, is giving me better audio than 80hz. Why will I go with 80 if is giving me bad audio to my ears, because science?



Ah,
For the center and surround maybe 60hz is too low, true. Be set at 80hz today. BUT, towers can handle low to 30hz. so will stay at 60hz if 80hz doesn't give me that good sound.

My apologies...didn't know you had towers. I thought they were all bookshelf speakers

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[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

My apologies...didn't know you had towers. I thought they were all bookshelf speakers

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LOl, I posted 3 pictures in the page before. And you actually post after my pictures, how can you miss that.

[Opips3]

My bookshelf speak can 60Hz, I prefer 80Hz setting for a movie.

- Center speaker 90Hz
- Surround speakers 60Hz
- back surround speakers 80Hz

- Height front and back speaker all 120Hz

With subwoofer 90 phase, 1/2 volumes, 50Hz. I setting -6db sub AV/Receiver.


-Enabled presence speaker upfiring about 160Hz
-ceiling speaker about 90Hz to 140Hz

Not Denon...Yammy

[ndsam]

I have a question for you guys. (Sorry if this isn't the right thread to ask this in but wasn't sure where else to ask.) I'm planning to buy the Denon avr-920w next week and I know the receiver is setup for 4K pass through but is it better to run the signal from your UHD player through the receiver to the tv or better to run the signal directly to the tv then run the audio through the arc or optical digital cable to the receiver? It just seems weird to me to run the video signal through the receiver when you could run it directly to the tv but i don't know anything about using a receiver as this will be my first so maybe I'm missing something. Thanks

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by Opips3

My bookshelf speak can 60Hz, I prefer 80Hz setting for a movie.

- Center speaker 90Hz
- Surround speakers 60Hz
- back surround speakers 80Hz

- Height front and back speaker all 120Hz

With subwoofer 90 phase, 1/2 volumes, 50Hz. I setting -6db sub AV/Receiver.


-Enabled presence speaker upfiring about 160Hz
-ceiling speaker about 90Hz to 140Hz

Not Denon...Yammy

Thanks, pretty much as I set it up mine today. As you said for music I like 60hz, movie 80hz.

- Towers 60hz. For music and movie. I tested with deadpool first scene and is fine.
- Center 80hz
- surround 80z
- surround back 60hz
- in ceiling 90-110hz

Now I have the sub @ 120hz as audyssey set it up. Will try to use 50-100 as the sub goes from 20 to 150hz.

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by ndsam

I have a question for you guys. (Sorry if this isn't the right thread to ask this in but wasn't sure where else to ask.) I'm planning to buy the Denon avr-920w next week and I know the receiver is setup for 4K pass through but is it better to run the signal from your UHD player through the receiver to the tv or better to run the signal directly to the tv then run the audio through the arc or optical digital cable to the receiver? It just seems weird to me to run the video signal through the receiver when you could run it directly to the tv but i don't know anything about using a receiver as this will be my first so maybe I'm missing something. Thanks

It all depends on your set up. If the receiver is 4k/60 pass through then you will be fine for audio and video. Now ilyou can use HDMI directly to the TV but you will lose audio quality on optical and arc. Or get the 4k player from Samsung that has an extra audo HDMI. Hdmi is better than optical for audio. Arc has also the same audio than optical as can't pass back HD audio. So for better audio is HDMI directly to the receiver.

[ndsam]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

It all depends on your set up. If the receiver is 4k/60 pass through then you will be fine for audio and video. Now ilyou can use HDMI directly to the TV but you will lose audio quality on optical and arc. Or get the 4k player from Samsung that has an extra audo HDMI. Hdmi is better than optical for audio. Arc has also the same audio than optical as can't pass back HD audio. So for better audio is HDMI directly to the receiver.

I do have the samsung player so would that be the best way to connect it by running hdmi for video direct to tv and hdmi for audio direct to receiver? Is this the way you have yours connected or do you just run it through the receiver? The receiver has 4k pass through btw.

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by ndsam

I do have the samsung player so would that be the best way to connect it by running hdmi for video direct to tv and hdmi for audio direct to receiver? Is this the way you have yours connected or do you just run it through the receiver? The receiver has 4k pass through btw.

Right now I just have the main HDMI to the receiver. I had it with both hdmis with my old onkyo non 4k. So now I have the Demon x6200w that is better than my old one, but the best way is to try both to see. The only downside with audio and video separate is the ability to control and change the receiver settings on the TV screen.

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

AVR bass setting

LEF+Main
120hz

My bad my friend, i was at work and was having a brainfart, and i couldnt remember how i had my LFE in my AVR.

I had to look it up, and it still seems like its not where i remember setting it.

Yet, i do have mine similar to yours

LFE 100hz
Fronts 60hz
Center 60hz
Side surrounds 70hz
Back surrounds 90hz... no matter what i do, thats the lowest i can get the backs
Front heights 70hz


I have 8in bookshelf speakers, with the rest being 6in woofers

[RockyIII]

You have to make sure tha tboth the receiver and the TV come with HDmi ports of 4K/60hz...i spent a whole week trying to connect my UHD player to the receiver and TV and it kept playing my 4K movies in 1080, until I found out that on my specific TV model onlky one specific HDMI port is 4K/60hz whereas the other ports are all 4K/30hz.
If you Denon and TV both have HDMI 4K/60hz than you can go with single connection (connecting TV to HDMI OUT on the receiver and UHD player to HDMI IN on the receiver)