Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K UHD (1977-2019)

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Not even the huge climax with all of those many ships, the Jedi voices, and the intense music, had any impact on you?

I think the amount of ships actually took away of the impact of the film considerably. In Jedi which were groundbreaking special effects at the time they were stunning, but not overwhelming. By the way where in the hell did the Emperor get all those ships in the first place? There are elements of the script that are massively flawed! Killing Chewbacca and showing him alive 2 minutes later? Great no emotional impact of his death or the impact of him still being alive. The final act was way too bloated and is a prime example of why bigger is always better is a massively flawed theory for making sequels. As the conclusion to the trilogy and much less the entire series it is flawed and easily the weakest of the 3 trilogy conclusions.

You have no idea what I would have paid Lawrence Kasden to write all three episodes of the sequel trilogy. The first episode was easily the best and everything went downhill from there. The script from Colin Trevorrow I think it would have provided a much better character and story arc to the last trilogy.

[PeterTHX]

What would I have paid for a spell checker for everyone these days?

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by ImBlu_DaBaDee

I still maintain that The Force Awakens, Rogue One, and The Last Jedi are all great Star Wars films and better films than the prequels. Those films all have solid acting and characters and the technical merits are near flawless with a gorgeous marriage of digital and practical. The prequels only best them in the music department. I still remember the high everyone was one after Force Awakens released (not even Endgame outgrossed it here in the States!) feeling that Star Wars was back. Unfortunately Disney and Lucasfilm’s hubris sent the whole thing toppling down. By pumping out too much product too quick without cohesive planning, we ended up with a competent yet bland and unnecessary side quest in Solo (which feels like an even more pointless project now that we have The Mandalorian, which has handled smaller stories with gritty gunslinging characters far better than that 300 million dollar misfire). And then of course, Rise of Skywalker - a rushed nonsensical hack job that had the impact of wet tissue paper.

Solo was planned before Disney even took over and it was awesome! That is something we need more of, to see where it goes with Crimson Dawn and all.

TROS hit me to tears numerous times and many others I know have said the same, it had superb acting from two main leads as well

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by david_blu

I really really hate the scene at the end of TROS with all the blasted starships.

It really is a stupid thing to put in Star Wars. I have seen that in one of the Star Trek tv shows I think but to do it in Star Wars is dumb.

how so?
heck look at how many ships in the end space battle in ROTJ!
or at the start space battle of ROTS?
plus the whole point was that the people will rise up give a spark of hope, heck TLJ was setting that up like crazy, in addition to the whole rest of the series, even Rogue One was setting that up, all of Star Wars was

They have literally been fighting the Empire for almost a generation if you think of the age of Luke and right at the end the rest of galaxy goes ok we'll help now.

Where the F**K were you lot for the past 70 years, I just find it frigging annoying.

many of the ships were small, the Star Destroyers were not fully deployed yet, this was a particular scenario

it often takes a long time to get people to feel safe to rise up all together at once, real world too

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth

We're in the Age Of Rage.

Pretty much summed up in one sentence.

This is something I’ve been noticing more and more lately, especially among “nerdy” franchises: people get very very personally attached to something they see when they’re younger, and then if something new related to that thing comes out, they tend to hold it under a much stronger magnifying glass than someone new to the franchise.

Star Wars is actually an excellent example of this. All this visceral hatred I see towards any of post-original trilogy movies is something I either only see on the Internet, or from people in real life who spend way too much time on the Internet and let others dictate their opinions. I’m not saying that’s the case for every single human on the planet, but it’s certainly a pattern I’ve noticed from my own experiences.

With the sequels, I really don’t see what’s so wrong with them they deserve the level of hatred I see them get. It seems to stem from people who were either way too attached to the old expanded universe (whether it’s the books, the games, whatever) which I honestly always saw as “glorified fanfiction” anyway, which might be why it didn’t upset me when Disney said they were going to do away with it (which I personally thought was brilliant. If I paid billions of dollars for something, I’d rather start fresh too lol) or people who had a very specific idea of how they thought these movies should go.

I went in with a completely open mind. I was ready to go on whatever journey the storytellers decided to tell. I’m not saying they’re perfect (just like with the prequels, there are things I would have done differently, but these aren’t my stories to tell, so it’s whatever) but I really just don’t see where the absolute revulsion comes from.

I think the other problem is, people let the behind the scenes “drama” and the negative social media responses and all that seep into their subconscious. I know they “had no plan going into these” and while that does seem to be true, I don’t see why that’s necessarily a bad thing. Someone in a previous post mentioned how stories change all the time. That’s especially true with Star Wars! Hell, Darth Vader wasn’t originally going to be Luke’s father (if Empire Strikes Back came out in this day and age I can absolutely see people throwing fits over that “cOmInG oUt Of NoWhERe!” lol), Luke and Leia weren’t going to be siblings, etc.

I’m sure the day will come when people calm down over these movies, and I’m very much looking forward to that. I don’t think that everyone has to like everything, that’s unrealistic, but I do wish people could express their opinions in a more... respectful way I guess? Like, I thought The Last Jedi was fine, but there’s no denying that some parts like Leia flying through space and the execution of Canto Bight could have been done better, but I don’t know why it has to be “THIS MOVIE DID THINGS I DON’T LIKE, IT RUINED MY LIFE WITH THIS, I AM SO ANGRY!” (<— slight exaggeration ) instead of “well, they could have done that better but oh well, not gonna let it run my life”.

[MOS3]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

Solo was planned before Disney even took over and it was awesome! That is something we need more of, to see where it goes with Crimson Dawn and all.

TROS hit me to tears numerous times and many others I know have said the same, it had superb acting from two main leads as well

What? To me it’s the worst by far!.... even worse than TLJ and that’s saying a lot.

[motorheadache95]

Hot take-- I liked Solo a lot. I wasn't really looking forward to it, because I wasn't keen on seeing OT characters recast in younger iterations, but it was solid, which was especially impressive from knowing all the behind-the-scenes problems and how much of the film had to be reshot.

Looking at Rogue One, Solo, and The Mandalorian, I actually think Lucasfilm under Disney isn't doing terrible at all. I don't even dislike any of the sequel trilogy films, really, by themselves, I just think they felt superfluous and didn't really add up to much.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth

We're in the Age Of Rage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iA038V5hq0

[roguejp]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

Pretty much summed up in one sentence.

This is something I’ve been noticing more and more lately, especially among “nerdy” franchises: people get very very personally attached to something they see when they’re younger, and then if something new related to that thing comes out, they tend to hold it under a much stronger magnifying glass than someone new to the franchise.

Star Wars is actually an excellent example of this. All this visceral hatred I see towards any of post-original trilogy movies is something I either only see on the Internet, or from people in real life who spend way too much time on the Internet and let others dictate their opinions. I’m not saying that’s the case for every single human on the planet, but it’s certainly a pattern I’ve noticed from my own experiences.

With the sequels, I really don’t see what’s so wrong with them they deserve the level of hatred I see them get. It seems to stem from people who were either way too attached to the old expanded universe (whether it’s the books, the games, whatever) which I honestly always saw as “glorified fanfiction” anyway, which might be why it didn’t upset me when Disney said they were going to do away with it (which I personally thought was brilliant. If I paid billions of dollars for something, I’d rather start fresh too lol) or people who had a very specific idea of how they thought these movies should go.

I went in with a completely open mind. I was ready to go on whatever journey the storytellers decided to tell. I’m not saying they’re perfect (just like with the prequels, there are things I would have done differently, but these aren’t my stories to tell, so it’s whatever) but I really just don’t see where the absolute revulsion comes from.

I think the other problem is, people let the behind the scenes “drama” and the negative social media responses and all that seep into their subconscious. I know they “had no plan going into these” and while that does seem to be true, I don’t see why that’s necessarily a bad thing. Someone in a previous post mentioned how stories change all the time. That’s especially true with Star Wars! Hell, Darth Vader wasn’t originally going to be Luke’s father (if Empire Strikes Back came out in this day and age I can absolutely see people throwing fits over that “cOmInG oUt Of NoWhERe!” lol), Luke and Leia weren’t going to be siblings, etc.

I’m sure the day will come when people calm down over these movies, and I’m very much looking forward to that. I don’t think that everyone has to like everything, that’s unrealistic, but I do wish people could express their opinions in a more... respectful way I guess? Like, I thought The Last Jedi was fine, but there’s no denying that some parts like Leia flying through space and the execution of Canto Bight could have been done better, but I don’t know why it has to be “THIS MOVIE DID THINGS I DON’T LIKE, IT RUINED MY LIFE WITH THIS, I AM SO ANGRY!” (<— slight exaggeration ) instead of “well, they could have done that better but oh well, not gonna let it run my life”.

I'm always surprised about the intensity of the remarks, that people go as far using words like 'raped', my destroyed life', 'ruined my childhood' etc. Or the ones that post something and think it's a brandnew, smart opinion while it's already been said hundreds of times.

If only would be so passionate about their fellow humans, the world would be a better place. Oh well, nothing we can do about it, I guess.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

You have no idea what I would have paid Lawrence Kasden to write all three episodes of the sequel trilogy. The first episode was easily the best and everything went downhill from there. The script from Colin Trevorrow I think it would have provided a much better character and story arc to the last trilogy.

the first episode had a lot of core elements from Lucas, especially in terms of key characters and backgrounds and the very most core driving force events even if individual adventures and such got changed and moved around a bit and some of the first part of TLJ got pushed back from TFA to that film so it got the story going more slowly.

Kasdan wanted totally toss out Lucas ideas 100% and start writing 7 from utter scratch which is not what we got

Disney and Iger and JJ wanted things kept more safe and 4-6 like and aged up some the characters as first seen a bit and didn't want to push the look and design and go nearly as fresh as Lucas had wanted. And Disney mains and JJ and Kasdan took the core ideas but pushed them into adventures more directly aping 4 than the Lucas treatment.

The C.T. script from little I've heard sounds like it violated some core Lucas ideas and not sure it would fit the mythology of 1-6 quite as well.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

Pretty much summed up in one sentence.

This is something I’ve been noticing more and more lately, especially among “nerdy” franchises: people get very very personally attached to something they see when they’re younger, and then if something new related to that thing comes out, they tend to hold it under a much stronger magnifying glass than someone new to the franchise.

Star Wars is actually an excellent example of this. All this visceral hatred I see towards any of post-original trilogy movies is something I either only see on the Internet, or from people in real life who spend way too much time on the Internet and let others dictate their opinions. I’m not saying that’s the case for every single human on the planet, but it’s certainly a pattern I’ve noticed from my own experiences.

With the sequels, I really don’t see what’s so wrong with them they deserve the level of hatred I see them get. It seems to stem from people who were either way too attached to the old expanded universe (whether it’s the books, the games, whatever) which I honestly always saw as “glorified fanfiction” anyway, which might be why it didn’t upset me when Disney said they were going to do away with it (which I personally thought was brilliant. If I paid billions of dollars for something, I’d rather start fresh too lol) or people who had a very specific idea of how they thought these movies should go.

I went in with a completely open mind. I was ready to go on whatever journey the storytellers decided to tell. I’m not saying they’re perfect (just like with the prequels, there are things I would have done differently, but these aren’t my stories to tell, so it’s whatever) but I really just don’t see where the absolute revulsion comes from.

I think the other problem is, people let the behind the scenes “drama” and the negative social media responses and all that seep into their subconscious. I know they “had no plan going into these” and while that does seem to be true, I don’t see why that’s necessarily a bad thing. Someone in a previous post mentioned how stories change all the time. That’s especially true with Star Wars! Hell, Darth Vader wasn’t originally going to be Luke’s father (if Empire Strikes Back came out in this day and age I can absolutely see people throwing fits over that “cOmInG oUt Of NoWhERe!” lol), Luke and Leia weren’t going to be siblings, etc.

I’m sure the day will come when people calm down over these movies, and I’m very much looking forward to that. I don’t think that everyone has to like everything, that’s unrealistic, but I do wish people could express their opinions in a more... respectful way I guess? Like, I thought The Last Jedi was fine, but there’s no denying that some parts like Leia flying through space and the execution of Canto Bight could have been done better, but I don’t know why it has to be “THIS MOVIE DID THINGS I DON’T LIKE, IT RUINED MY LIFE WITH THIS, I AM SO ANGRY!” (<— slight exaggeration ) instead of “well, they could have done that better but oh well, not gonna let it run my life”.

exactly

if 1-3 and 7-9 had come out in the 80s when the culture wasn't dominated by raging hipster nerd types so much and pre-every single person on the internet I think it would've been an utterly different story. Youtube and the way it promotes hater and conspiracy videos and such has really done a lot to bring things down. For SW, it really started getting out of control with those hipster RLM videos (which got so many basic things objectively wrong despite being hailed as the work of super geniuses). After those came out, I had to drop out of almost all SW forums. And it only got 10x worse in recent years. For all that, in the real world, I still don't meet remotely so many who hate on the films as in forums. It has sadly spread into the real world for sure, but even now it's still way, way less than what it seems like on the net.

I mean heck sure many were not 100% thrilled with the Ewoks back when ROTJ came out (although many were neutral and some good number loved them), but barely anyone went insane and said the movie ruined their childhood (or worse) or was the worst film ever made and so on and so forth, most still loved it (including even the minority who realllly didn't like the Ewoks, they still kept things in balance and saw so much great in the film and still loved and enjoyed it). It did better box office than the second film.

I mean there was the incredibly scattered super hater then too, but without the internet you barely had a clue, if you did at all, that they even existed back then. And back then being all alt and grungy and hater and sneering and geeky mocking was not considered popular or mainstream. Bring me back to the supposedly shallow and corny and too mainstream and commercial and sugary 80s any day over all the miserable hater grunge and raging type of hipster nerd and indie culture post-80s (ironically those post-80s crowds of those types actually seem far, far more lock step identical than mainstream 80s people ever were). On average, more people seemed to used to enjoy seeing where an adventure would take them. Now, on average, there seem to be more who go into rages if a movie doesn't play out 100.000% exactly like they had planned it out in their head and then say it sucks and is the worst thing ever produced and pathetic, if not. Heck there was an article, I think in the NYT, that looked at popular music from the 80s and then in the last 20 years and they found a notable change, even when adjusting for grunge/rap which tend to be harsher and different, but even adjusting for that huge shift, they found popular songs in the 80s had lots of words like "love, together, us, we" and so on (if I recall correctyl, don't quite recall exactly) and in recent decades they find all sorts of words like "me, my way, mine, I". Look at youtube for SW movies, practically everything that comes up is some ridiculous rage hate video (granted many are just made like that on purpose and whoever makes them probably doesn't even really feel half of it but just do it because it gets clicks and clicks = money, but it all the same it seems to seep into the general subconcious and has, IMO, had a really sad and unfortunate affect and maybe taken some joy from people. So many miserable and angry when they might have been happy and excited. I used to think revenge of the nerds might be a good thing, but more and more I feel maybe not so much. OTOH, I was never one who thought the total spread of the net would bring us into a magical utopia like some of the non-tech types predicted all the time way back, I always thought that was rather unlikely. (andyes I do see some irony in in turn raging against the ragers and use lots of generalizations here and yes not everyone has to like everything, etc.)

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Hot take-- I liked Solo a lot. I wasn't really looking forward to it, because I wasn't keen on seeing OT characters recast in younger iterations, but it was solid, which was especially impressive from knowing all the behind-the-scenes problems and how much of the film had to be reshot.

Looking at Rogue One, Solo, and The Mandalorian, I actually think Lucasfilm under Disney isn't doing terrible at all. I don't even dislike any of the sequel trilogy films, really, by themselves, I just think they felt superfluous and didn't really add up to much.

Yeah I have to admit the one film I was against before it was made was Solo since I just couldn't imagine it without Harrison Ford and that was the one story that had decent books in the old EU.

And then all the talk about new directors and disaster and reshoots.

But then as the release neared, I just couldn;t helped getting totally excited and pumped up. Saw it and really liked it. Saw it again and totally loved it. Especially the beginning and the whole end half. And man did they ever set it up for some amazing stuff to come (stuff Kasdan BADLY wants to be able to continue, as did the main leads, heck the two main leads had even signed provisional long term contracts, heck Emilia Clarke had even said she hoped Lucasfilm would now be her new long term home for as long as HBO had been with GOT).

[Avageektwit]

I finally have reviewed all Star Wars movies on 4k and I'm more than happy to own all of them. They all look and sound great for the most part and here are my ranks; Arranged from best to weakest ATMOS track with my scores on the video and movies themselves:

Audio/Video/Movie

Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (A+) (B+) (B)

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (A) (A) (B+)

Star Wars: The Force Awakens (A) (A-) (A)

Star Wars: Attack of the Clones (A) ( B- ) (C)

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace (A) (C+) (C)

Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (A) (B+) (A-)

Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (A) (A) (A+)

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (A-) (A) (B+)

Star Wars: A New Hope (A-) (A-) (A)

Star Wars: The Last Jedi (B+) (A) (A)

Solo: A Star Wars Story (B+) (B+) ( B- )

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by evoof

All the info is a bit confusing to be honest. I guess it depends on the region. For the US discs it seems only Revenge of the Sith and The Empire Strikes Back have 24bit TrueHD Atmos tracks on the UHD of the original 6 films, all the Disney flicks have 24bit.

hmm the strange thing is I just checked my US TPM UHD disc and it says 24bits not 16bits so not sure what the talk of the US discs being 16bits for some of them is coming from

hmm maybe since I don't support Atmos and just TrueHD core? would they really do something like core 24bit and Atmos turns into 16bit??????

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

what is worse though is that about half way through each movie on each UHD disc I'm finding the discs bog down and get a terrible time being read properly when trying to watch, had figured I'd just wipe away some fingerprints later and it would be fine, but no matter how much microfiber scrubbing.... can't get a smooth read for a small middle part

tried to store on HD and copier just bogged like crazy in the middle part of the TPM disc I started with and took three attempts to even get it to work fully (but then when tried unprotected version off mount of that protected copy it says the mounted HD file was corrupted starting around the middle). Anyone else have such issues? Maybe some bad sets of pressings of these?

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Amusing is that the title of the UHD disc was mispelled and they call the disc label name:
THE_PHANTOM_MEANCE

It's spelled correctly for the BD and the bonus disc.

At least the version of the disc in the US Skywalker Saga Collector's Box Set.

[koberulz]

I've had many a disc that was labeled "UNTITLED PROJECT" or "LG RECORDER". Or ever a different movie entirely.

[milo bloom]

I seem to recall there was a Star Wars DVD released with the file name of "Charlotte", and it was revealed they had used the Bronte sisters' names as secret names during production of the prequel DVDs.

[evoof]

Here's a funny comparison between the remastered 2020 and the original 2011 BD of Return of the Jedi: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/7345

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by evoof

Here's a funny comparison between the remastered 2020 and the original 2011 BD of Return of the Jedi: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/7345

ugh old one, which wasn't even that great, looks so much better