Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Vilya

No, you did not directly say that. But when one mentions "evolve" in the context in which you used it, it is often interpreted as meaning an improvement.

From Collins English dictionary:

"If something evolves or you evolve it, it gradually develops over a period of time into something different and usually more advanced."

More of those semantics for you

Semantics: "the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning."

When did logic and meaning become a bad thing?

If you want to continue to be an ass your quote fits what I said. "something different" yes TRUE.

Usually more advanced, where usually would make what I said not incorrect.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Nah, nothing that bad.

Oh OK, understood. I only pop in here from time to time .

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by flyry

If you want to continue to be an ass your quote fits what I said. "something different" yes TRUE.

Usually more advanced, where usually would make what I said not incorrect.

Now you're being borderline abusive.

I did not say you were incorrect. I simply pointed out the usual inference associated with the use of the word "evolve."

Contrast that definition of "evolve" with that of "devolve:

"to gradually go from an advanced state to a less advanced state."- Merriam Webster Dictionary.

Evolve means advancement in most usages of the word; we have the word "devolve" for when the opposite is true.

Such as: The civility of our conversation has devolved.

My crystal ball sees both of our posts being deleted if we can't control our tempers.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

When did logic and meaning become a bad thing?

IMO, you are talking over the heads of some folks here .

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMO, you are talking over the heads of some folks here .

Perhaps so, at least in the case of one particular forum member who has been absent of late, but I think it has more to do with people just being a tad lazy with both their use of hyperbole and with their playing loose with the meanings of the words they misuse. It is more a consequence of the casual nature of forum postings than that of any educational deficits.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

If you want to continue to be an ass your quote fits what I said. "something different" yes TRUE.

Usually more advanced, where usually would make what I said not incorrect.

Ironic post alert!

[Dustin44]

Originally Posted by Groot

The only thing I can say right now is that I've been off the board for about a month and this thread circles constantly. No one is changing their opinions and people are gonna spend their money however they want. I appreciate you acknowledge the positives of digital tho, that's welcome.

I stop by and read and lurk in this thread every once in while.

I remember first reading this thread over a year ago, back then I posted it in more. And this thread is pretty much going in the same circles as is was back then.

Everyone does what works best for them. Whether it be using disc only, digital only, or using both disc and digital.

I still buy discs and I buy digital. As I have said before, I used to have a lot more discs, but I was running out of room to store them. And there were too many that I found I never re-watched, I was just storing them. So I started using digital a lot more.

I still have over 600 discs and still buy discs. (and am still running out of room to store them) My favorite movies I want to own on disc AND digital. So that way, if something happens to one, I have the other as a backup.

I share my Vudu collection with a relative. He doesn't live close by, it's not like I can just take the disc over to him. I also have to travel sometimes, I can't just pack up and take hundreds of discs with me.

Anyway, that is what works for me. Different things work for different people.

I know one time I was at the Goodwill looking at DVD's and books. I came across a guy looking at the VHS tapes. I was surprised, I didn't think anyone really bought VHS anymore. We got to talking about movies and I asked him if he bought DVD's and Blu-Rays too. He said he loved movies but had very little disposable income to spend on movies. He bought and collected VHS only because they were so cheap. He was buying some Disney movies and they were like between 50 and 79 cents on VHS. He said there was no way he could afford to purchase those on DVD or Blu-ray. So he just stuck with VHS.

Watch movies however you like. Like Groot said, no one is going to change their opinion.

(I can definitely understand that if you have a poor internet connection, worry about having control over your movies at all times or wanting the absolute best quality, then digital may not be your best choice.)

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I can’t buy Annihilation because it is exclusive to Netflix, same with Hush.

Annihilation isn't available on disc at all where you live?

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Something I never tried, just did a search for "streaming oriented forums" and "streaming forums" and did not see any streaming oriented forums. Not sure why there are none. One would think with all the providers they would come together and provide a common site. But then again in this day and age of every man for himself it probably will not happen.

There is a "Digital Movies" section here on Blu-ray.com, and a "Digital Deals" forum.

I know Vudu has their own forums.

And their are a lot of streaming and "digital community" groups on Google+.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Perhaps so,

It appears that SVOD = cable is lost on some here. If they were interested they would find revenue from SVOD to be a small part of pay TV revenue. I know it has been pointed out that EST = competitor for physical media yet that seems lost on some posters.

Has SVOD affected physical media sales and rentals, probably so, but to what extent I do not know. Is the effect more or less than HBO, Showtime, etc., has/had, I do not know and doubt there is any good data.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

It appears that SVOD = cable is lost on some here. If they were interested they would find revenue from SVOD to be a small part of pay TV revenue. I know it has been pointed out that EST = competitor for physical media yet that seems lost on some posters.

Has SVOD affected physical media sales and rentals, probably so, but to what extent I do not know. Is the effect more or less than HBO, Showtime, etc., has/had, I do not know and doubt there is any good data.

bruceames would be the one to ask over in the Home Video Sales thread. He follows the data closer than anyone that I know of; if there is any data that breaks it down; he would likely know about it.

I recall that bruceames felt that svod data should not even be included with the home video sales data.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=743

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

It would appear some here sign on to this board but do not bother to read the rules they agreed to. So I will post a couple of them:

So if you are not here in support of Blu-ray as a format then why on earth are you here? Are there no streaming oriented sites that you would rather be at?

I’ve been a member here for six years and have thousands of discs. I still buy collectors packaging, talk about new releases in the movies section, and frequent the general section with people I have went so far as to either meet and/or even exchange holiday gifts with. But yeah since I also mostly buy digital now I should bounce as it offends you. Or not.

Originally Posted by brap hawg

"MUH CONVENIENCE" "Convenience above everything else"
You digital "people" are going to end up like the humans from Wall E

Yeah, what kind of sick, depraved human being am I that I like that I can be watching a movie in my office where I print clothing and accessories for a living and can pause it, go upstairs and take a shower and start it right back in my bedroom without needing to go through common disc hassles. I am truly a lost soul and welcome being a fat bastard on a spaceship.

[Vilya]

I am happy to report that my latest order from Amazon.uk has arrived with 7 more titles for me to enjoy. I finally have The Matrix 4K and The Prestige 4K; there has been considerable debate about The Matrix 4K disc. I am looking forward to finally seeing it and deciding where I stand on the matter.

I got four 3D titles: Black Panther, Coco, Kung Fu Panda, Kung Fu Panda 2. I do enjoy my 3D- an area that streaming has pretty much neglected. The other title I received was the original Fright Night.

19 movies for the month now; it's time to slow this juggernaut down.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dustin44

I stop by and read and lurk in this thread every once in while.

I remember first reading this thread over a year ago, back then I posted it in more. And this thread is pretty much going in the same circles as is was back then.

Everyone does what works best for them. Whether it be using disc only, digital only, or using both disc and digital.

I still buy discs and I buy digital. As I have said before, I used to have a lot more discs, but I was running out of room to store them. And there were too many that I found I never re-watched, I was just storing them. So I started using digital a lot more.

I still have over 600 discs and still buy discs. (and am still running out of room to store them) My favorite movies I want to own on disc AND digital. So that way, if something happens to one, I have the other as a backup.

I share my Vudu collection with a relative. He doesn't live close by, it's not like I can just take the disc over to him. I also have to travel sometimes, I can't just pack up and take hundreds of discs with me.

Anyway, that is what works for me. Different things work for different people.

I know one time I was at the Goodwill looking at DVD's and books. I came across a guy looking at the VHS tapes. I was surprised, I didn't think anyone really bought VHS anymore. We got to talking about movies and I asked him if he bought DVD's and Blu-Rays too. He said he loved movies but had very little disposable income to spend on movies. He bought and collected VHS only because they were so cheap. He was buying some Disney movies and they were like between 50 and 79 cents on VHS. He said there was no way he could afford to purchase those on DVD or Blu-ray. So he just stuck with VHS.

Watch movies however you like. Like Groot said, no one is going to change their opinion.

(I can definitely understand that if you have a poor internet connection, worry about having control over your movies at all times or wanting the absolute best quality, then digital may not be your best choice.)



Annihilation isn't available on disc at all where you live?



There is a "Digital Movies" section here on Blu-ray.com, and a "Digital Deals" forum.

I know Vudu has their own forums.

And their are a lot of streaming and "digital community" groups on Google+.

Correct, it’s not available in my region or indeed region b.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

bruceames would be the one to ask over in the Home Video Sales thread. He follows the data closer than anyone that I know of; if there is any data that breaks it down; he would likely know about it.

Bruce, the late Kosty and I go back quite a ways. I read MPN (formerly HMM) almost every morning and some other sites to try and stay up on industry news/events.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I finally have The Matrix 4K

Dipped again on this one because of the reviews of the Atmos sound track, have not received it yet.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dustin44

I stop by and read and lurk in this thread every once in while.

I remember first reading this thread over a year ago, back then I posted it in more. And this thread is pretty much going in the same circles as is was back then.

Everyone does what works best for them. Whether it be using disc only, digital only, or using both disc and digital.

I still buy discs and I buy digital. As I have said before, I used to have a lot more discs, but I was running out of room to store them. And there were too many that I found I never re-watched, I was just storing them. So I started using digital a lot more.

I still have over 600 discs and still buy discs. (and am still running out of room to store them) My favorite movies I want to own on disc AND digital. So that way, if something happens to one, I have the other as a backup.

I share my Vudu collection with a relative. He doesn't live close by, it's not like I can just take the disc over to him. I also have to travel sometimes, I can't just pack up and take hundreds of discs with me.

Anyway, that is what works for me. Different things work for different people.

I know one time I was at the Goodwill looking at DVD's and books. I came across a guy looking at the VHS tapes. I was surprised, I didn't think anyone really bought VHS anymore. We got to talking about movies and I asked him if he bought DVD's and Blu-Rays too. He said he loved movies but had very little disposable income to spend on movies. He bought and collected VHS only because they were so cheap. He was buying some Disney movies and they were like between 50 and 79 cents on VHS. He said there was no way he could afford to purchase those on DVD or Blu-ray. So he just stuck with VHS.

Watch movies however you like. Like Groot said, no one is going to change their opinion.

(I can definitely understand that if you have a poor internet connection, worry about having control over your movies at all times or wanting the absolute best quality, then digital may not be your best choice.)



Annihilation isn't available on disc at all where you live?



There is a "Digital Movies" section here on Blu-ray.com, and a "Digital Deals" forum.

I know Vudu has their own forums.

And their are a lot of streaming and "digital community" groups on Google+.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Bruce, the late Kosty and I go back quite a ways. I read MPN (formerly HMM) almost every morning and some other sites to try and stay up on industry news/events.

Like Bruce and yourself he seemed like a class act. I only ever sent him one PM but his reply was just so elegant. I later learned he was a decorated war hero. The guy just oozed integrity.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Like Bruce and yourself he seemed like a class act. I only ever sent him one PM but his reply was just so elegant. I later learned he was a decorated war hero. The guy just oozed integrity.

He truly was An Officer (Captain, Army) and a Gentleman.

[stonesfan129]

I don't know about 4K. I have a couple of 4K UHD discs only because they are better than the old, early Blu-ray versions. Like Terminator 2 for example. The other I have is the Dark Knight Trilogy which has the first two movies encoded with VC-1 and Dolby TrueHD. The 4K UHD discs are HEVC and DTS-HD MA audio. But idk I think I would still be happy if they did a proper high-bitrate AVC encode with DTS-HD MA audio the way Criterion does.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Dipped again on this one because of the reviews of the Atmos sound track, have not received it yet.

The Atmos mix is a very good reason to double dip. I did an A/B comparison with the rooftop rescue scene with the Atmos track compared to the original through an up mixer. The original was still cool but the Atmos mix Definitely shined.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

So if you are not here in support of Blu-ray as a format then why on earth are you here? Are there no streaming oriented sites that you would rather be at?

Well I’d say we’ve all ask that very question at one time or another during our tenure here. However, over time, like technology, The Blu-ray Forum has evolved and created more sub forums to reflect that change. So given all that effort I don’t think they have a problem with us talking about more than just BD in their forum.

[The_Donster]

Meet with the roofer that the seller is working with today and picked out the color we think will compliment our new home, merlot. We’ll pay the difference between what they’re insurance will cover and it, but I think it’s better for us.