Done with plasma!

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

How is the random dude shitting on plasmas any different than the plasma fanboys going into the LED/LCD threads and shitting on them? You're all trolling.

Jesus christ people, let people buy what they want, there's no right or wrong kind of TV, it's all personal preference. Some of you think this is a matter of life or death.

Plasmas look very nice, but they don't suit my needs, or my current lifestyle. That doesn't make me an idiot, or a brainwashed moron. I think people who go around calling others idiots based on what TV type they buy are the idiots.

People really need to research stuff before they buy it, plain and simple.You're going to get crap products no matter what kind of TV you buy, if you don't research.

Ehh, are you including me in this?
Because I'm basically saying the same thing. I don't go out there, saying "Oh, LCD is crap, blablabla".
Since I have an LCD right in front of my face here (for the PC) and I appreciate the technology as well.
I'm just saying that, indeed, the guy shouldn't just talk crap about Plasma because it's not the way he claims it is.
Another thing is that he's specifically offensive to Plasma-owners, so he's exactly doing what you're claiming the rest does.
I'm not saying he's a "dumbass" and should go with Plasma only, I'm saying that he's "crazy" or just silly for thinking that Plasma is garbage.

That's all I'm saying on my part. I'm just defending the technology, not because I own it or are some kind of "fanboy" of it.
I've only been explaining that Plasma is really not the garbage this guy is claiming it is, not in my experience anyway.
And I never said a word about LCD, just that the TV-displays aren't as good, but I never called LCD garbage, OR LCD-owners stupid for that matter.

I also don't get your comment on that "it doesn't fit your lifestyle".
I mean, it's not a lifestyle, it's not a... cutting-edge product. You make it sound like you're too poor for such a "high-end product".
Myself I just one day made the decision on what kind of screen to go for, I watched them in stores and found that Plasmas clearly produce the best image.
That's all, and so there's no use for this guy to come in and talk nonsense about it if I know different about it.
And, no, I am by no means part of ANY group, any technology-fanatics or anything else like that.
I'm a "fan" of the stuff I like to buy and use, and it's no more than a preference for me, that I will not force onto anyone else, but recommend at most.

[Blu Balls]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

True but the beauty of Plasma is how affordable they are and what bothers me about bulbs is that typically the bulbs last what? 3000 to 5000 hours? and even still its my understanding that once the bulb gets to half life (or perhaps 3/4s the way through its life) it gets dimmer and dimmer until it goes out completely. My friend experienced this with his Panasonic DLP with the first bulb. I'm not saying this to downplay DLP because they are indeed pretty awesome...but I'd rather have a TV that can last 60,000+ (I wanna say current plasma tech is said to last 100,000 hours?) than have to pay for bulbs throughout the course of owning the TV.

I got my 55" Panasonic Plasma for a little over $1500 (on sale) and its a 3D tv that came with two sets of 3D glasses and Avatar 3D. I will never spend $2500 on a TV, no way.

I agree with you there. The picture on my DLP looks dim and dull the last couple months of a bulb's life. That's how I know it's about to go because I have to crank up the brightness and contrast. I'm not bashing plasmas, I think they look spectacular and I plan on buying one. I was just saying that if I had mine for 3 years and it wasn't looking the way it did when I bought it, I would be very mad.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Mirage29

I am glad to hear that you are done with Plasma it has always been a joke. When HDTV first came out there was no LCD Tv's Just plasma and projection TV's. Projection TV by far were superior at the time. They didn't have issuies with screen burn. Screen side effect, Screen door effect etc. All the crap that comes with plasma. But they were super thin and people fell in love with that fact that for the first time ever a TV could be hung up on the wall unlike projection TV's which weigh 100 pounds they were hideous looking. Don't get me wrong Plasma has fixed some of the cons that it had back than. But it's still crap and has more cons that DLP and LCD. Plasma will always be a garbage. I recommened you get a DLP or LCD. You get the same TV that I have online for just little over 2,000 dollors brand new. And won't have to worry about any promblems at all. The only that goes bad on DLP is the bulp. But they last for years and are cheap to replace so if anything they are a pro and not a con

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My god, when are they going to ban your uninformed trolling ass around here? Again I asked you to please cite credible sources that support a single claim you've EVER made regarding plasma. Just one source! You know why you can't (aside from the fact that you are most likely learning disabled and not capable of understanding just what you are reading)? Because they don't exist.

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Plasma sets have taken top honors in displays for so many years I've lost count. I suppose all of the professional reviewers and calibrators are simply wrong, and your lame-ass opinion (that NO ONE shares) is the correct one? Pathetic.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by Damage Inc.

Ehh, are you including me in this?
Because I'm basically saying the same thing. I don't go out there, saying "Oh, LCD is crap, blablabla".
Since I have an LCD right in front of my face here (for the PC) and I appreciate the technology as well.
I'm just saying that, indeed, the guy shouldn't just talk crap about Plasma because it's not the way he claims it is.
Another thing is that he's specifically offensive to Plasma-owners, so he's exactly doing what you're claiming the rest does.
I'm not saying he's a "dumbass" and should go with Plasma only, I'm saying that he's "crazy" or just silly for thinking that Plasma is garbage.

That's all I'm saying on my part. I'm just defending the technology, not because I own it or are some kind of "fanboy" of it.
I've only been explaining that Plasma is really not the garbage this guy is claiming it is, not in my experience anyway.
And I never said a word about LCD, just that the TV-displays aren't as good, but I never called LCD garbage, OR LCD-owners stupid for that matter.

I also don't get your comment on that "it doesn't fit your lifestyle".
I mean, it's not a lifestyle, it's not a... cutting-edge product. You make it sound like you're too poor for such a "high-end product".
Myself I just one day made the decision on what kind of screen to go for, I watched them in stores and found that Plasmas clearly produce the best image.
That's all, and so there's no use for this guy to come in and talk nonsense about it if I know different about it.
And, no, I am by no means part of ANY group, any technology-fanatics or anything else like that.
I'm a "fan" of the stuff I like to buy and use, and it's no more than a preference for me, that I will not force onto anyone else, but recommend at most.

Nope, because you're not the one going on about people being brainwashed by LCD, and I realise that the guy is trolling. I'm pointing out that I see tons of people cropping up in the LCD/LED forum telling people they're wasting their money on a LED/LCD tv and need to get a plasma. I think he's an ass too, but my post was blown out of proportion, which is typical of this forum.

As far as my lifestyle is concerned, plasma doesn't suit me, as from my understanding, plasma isn't as "mobile" as a LED/LCD panel. I'm currently in an apartment, and could potentially move any day. Also, the features on my LED suit me better than comparable plasmas in the same price range at the time I bought it. It doesn't mean that I'm poor, and I don't appreciate that insinuation. It's ironic that you imply that I'm poor and can't afford a "decent" TV, when most people on this forum are willing to scam stores by stacking coupons they aren't even entitled to use to get BDs as cheap as possible. Plasma didn't offer me what my LED did at the time of purchase of my LED, most plasmas where I live were only 720p, and didn't have the other features such as USB video capabilites. Hence my comment about how it doesn't suit my lifestyle.

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

Nope, because you're not the one going on about people being brainwashed by LCD, and I realise that the guy is trolling. I'm pointing out that I see tons of people cropping up in the LCD/LED forum telling people they're wasting their money on a LED/LCD tv and need to get a plasma. I think he's an ass too, but my post was blown out of proportion, which is typical of this forum.

As far as my lifestyle is concerned, plasma doesn't suit me, as from my understanding, plasma isn't as "mobile" as a LED/LCD panel. I'm currently in an apartment, and could potentially move any day. Also, the features on my LED suit me better than comparable plasmas in the same price range at the time I bought it. It doesn't mean that I'm poor, and I don't appreciate that insinuation. It's ironic that you imply that I'm poor and can't afford a "decent" TV, when most people on this forum are willing to scam stores by stacking coupons they aren't even entitled to use to get BDs as cheap as possible. Plasma didn't offer me what my LED did at the time of purchase of my LED, most plasmas where I live were only 720p, and didn't have the other features such as USB video capabilites. Hence my comment about how it doesn't suit my lifestyle.

I wasn't implying that you're poor, I was implying just the opposite.
I said "You make it SOUND like as if you're too poor.", as in how plenty of people say "I can not afford it.",
meaning I'm thinking you most likely are not poor or unable to afford such a "high-end technology".
So don't be insulted, really...

I was only thinking maybe you felt it was not "in your class", either in the type of technology or type of user, or even financially.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by Damage Inc.

I wasn't implying that you're poor, I was implying just the opposite.
I said "You make it SOUND like as if you're too poor.", as in how plenty of people say "I can not afford it.",
meaning I'm thinking you most likely are not poor or unable to afford such a "high-end technology".
So don't be insulted, really...

I was only thinking maybe you felt it was not "in your class", either in the type of technology or type of user, or even financially.

Ah, gotcha. I'm guilty of the same behavious I'm accusing others of.

I didn't mean to imply that I was poor, when I wrote my statement, I was thinking more of the whole mobility thing, as moving a plasma around much isn't as easy as moving an LCD/LED.

[erict]

After reading this thread I was so convinced to sell my plasma and go back to my tube TV....what do you think..

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[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

Nope, because you're not the one going on about people being brainwashed by LCD, and I realise that the guy is trolling. I'm pointing out that I see tons of people cropping up in the LCD/LED forum telling people they're wasting their money on a LED/LCD tv and need to get a plasma. I think he's an ass too, but my post was blown out of proportion, which is typical of this forum.

As far as my lifestyle is concerned, plasma doesn't suit me, as from my understanding, plasma isn't as "mobile" as a LED/LCD panel. I'm currently in an apartment, and could potentially move any day. Also, the features on my LED suit me better than comparable plasmas in the same price range at the time I bought it. It doesn't mean that I'm poor, and I don't appreciate that insinuation. It's ironic that you imply that I'm poor and can't afford a "decent" TV, when most people on this forum are willing to scam stores by stacking coupons they aren't even entitled to use to get BDs as cheap as possible. Plasma didn't offer me what my LED did at the time of purchase of my LED, most plasmas where I live were only 720p, and didn't have the other features such as USB video capabilites. Hence my comment about how it doesn't suit my lifestyle.

You took the whole brain washed comment out of context. Let's look at the facts. Mirage compared plasma technology to Bose products, saying that anyone who buys a plasma has been sucked into buying an inferior product due to clever marketing. My point was, which cannot be denied, is that the majority of average consumers choose to buy LCD panels over plasma's, and for often double the price, not because LCD tv's suit their lifestyle better or are better tv's, but because of a misconception about plasma's in the market place. Therefore many are brain washed into automatically disregarding plasmas when purchasing a tv.

Your understanding about plasma's being a lot less mobile is off. My 59" plasma isn't all that much heavier than an LCD tv of the same size (and it's almost as thin too). In fact my 59" plasma weights less than my 40" Sony Bravia xbr2 & xbr4 LCD tv's, which were only released a few years back. Besides who moves a 59"+ tv by themselves, that would be a bit foolish if you asked me. Other than lcd tv's offering lower power consumption, the features available on plasma's are no different to that of LCD panels (except for motion interpolation), though plasma's cost less money. That might not have been the case when you bought your LCD panel, but it most certainly is now.

Also, like I mentioned in my previous post, I don't see anyone go into the LCD section and completely dismiss LCD technology as a whole. What I do see is people pointing out con's in regards to particular models (which happens here in the plasma section too), but I've never come across on these forums here on blu-ray.com, anyone blaintently saying that LCD technology altogether is a joke and are garbage.

What has been said by me, was not in anyway supposed to take anything away from your decision to purchase the tv technology which you though best suited you.

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

Ah, gotcha. I'm guilty of the same behavious I'm accusing others of.

I didn't mean to imply that I was poor, when I wrote my statement, I was thinking more of the whole mobility thing, as moving a plasma around much isn't as easy as moving an LCD/LED.

Yes, they are rather bulky. Could be doable though, if you keep the box and also depending on the size I guess.

[kris achar]

Originally Posted by erict

After reading this thread I was so convinced to sell my plasma and go back to my tube TV....what do you think..

I can understand that,When i purchased my 50 inches plasma thinking form now on all the 16:9 content will all appear full,without any black bars at the top & bottom of the screen,my dream was shattered when i saw black bars while watching HD BD and DTH-HD content.I replaced my sony CRT 34 inches thinking that to view HD content without black bars we need 16:9,1080p tv.
And its funny that when they reauthor to BD format why can't they author to fill the screen.The directors cut or some nonsense should be applied only to cinema theaters.But home theaters screen need to fill the screen full in modern 16:9 HDTV.
Here are few links as to what the electronic manufacturing companies are upto !
If i knew this was coming even i would have waited little more.Iam sure next year even plasma tv's will be available in this ratio...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWCBx...ature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUhqn...ature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyBhP...ature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXvTk...ature=youtu.be

What a great aspect ratio for plasma tv's which has IR & burn-in problems...

[Cevolution]

Take a look at this 1 week old post from Mirage29 which I just stumbled across in the "Official Mirage Speaker Thread". He comes here in the plasma section and carries on the way he does, telling everyone how he dislikes plasma's, and how he feels that they are rubbish and a joke, but at the same time he's telling other members off in other threads for doing exactly the same thing that he is doing in this thread, what a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Mirage29

This is starting to get old. at this point you are just starting to be disrespectul to the Offical Mirage Speaker Thread. Nothing wrong with you at all liking the way the def tech sounds better. But if you no longer own Mirage Speakers you have no business being here. I use to own sony speakers I think sony speakers suck, right up there with Bose. Who in my opinion is the worst speaker company there is. But since I no longer own sony speakers, and will never own bose. I haven't and will never post anything of either of those threads, that would be trolling. If you are a dual owner of mirage and def techs It would be more appropriate to go to the offical def tech thread and tell them your mirage exp and why you decided to switch instead of coming here and throwing it in our face over and over again

[Blu Doon]

Love it Cev!!! and totally agree that the majority of people have a negative opinion of plasma, total missconceptions. When I tell people I have a plasma they usually reply with why its a outdated tech and the only way to go is LCD//LED. When I try to explain the benefits of plasma they give me this glazed over look and then say I am fan boy and to get over it.Then usually follow with another slam on plasma and then my intelligence.

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by kris achar

I can understand that,When i purchased my 50 inches plasma thinking form now on all the 16:9 content will all appear full,without any black bars at the top & bottom of the screen,my dream was shattered when i saw black bars while watching HD BD and DTH-HD content.I replaced my sony CRT 34 inches thinking that to view HD content without black bars we need 16:9,1080p tv.
And its funny that when they reauthor to BD format why can't they author to fill the screen.The directors cut or some nonsense should be applied only to cinema theaters.But home theaters screen need to fill the screen full in modern 16:9 HDTV.
Here are few links as to what the electronic manufacturing companies are upto !
If i knew this was coming even i would have waited little more.Iam sure next year even plasma tv's will be available in this ratio...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWCBx...ature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUhqn...ature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyBhP...ature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXvTk...ature=youtu.be

What a great aspect ratio for plasma tv's which has IR & burn-in problems...

It's not about aspect-ratio here, but I have been wondering about this:

First of all, what resolution is a 21:9-screen?

Also, when you watch a BD on a 21:9-screen, will it window-box the content that is letterboxed on a 16:9-screen?
Or will it "zoom in" digitally to fill the screen, but then basically not be 1080p vertically anymore?
Because the black bars shown on a 16:9-display are IN the video right? So they are part of those 1080 vertical pixels/lines.
So... if that's the case, those very wide movies are not REALLY 1080p now are they?

It actually seems like a problem once the 21:9-screen might become a standard...