Disney Disney Disney

[zafisher94]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

You think that's offensive, Eisner once ruminated how he shared as many letters in his last name as Walt Disney, and - get this - once envisioned a time when he would supplant Walt, and even pass control of the company down to his heir, Breck Eisner, creating a multi-generational legacy (source DisneyWar by James Stewart). Stories like that are part of why Eisner rankles so many animation enthusiasts. That, and Katzenberg stealing paintings from the Disney archives, and when he was stopped by security, one of the upper execs called him and asked what the hell he was doing. Katzenberg responded that Walt used to take paintings home and keep them, and Katzenberg was told, "You're not Walt Disney."

"I'm the new Walt Disney." Katzenberg shot back.

Uh huh.

Damn! That's disgusting. I was born in '94, so I wasn't old enough to comprehend or care when Eisner was around. What an arrogant bastard! I'm not surprised by Katzenberg considering he seems like a jerk (although I have more respect for him than Eisner). Still, both of their actions are appalling.

I'll have to pick up that book, sounds fascinating.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by zafisher94

Damn! That's disgusting. I was born in '94, so I wasn't old enough to comprehend or care when Eisner was around. What an arrogant bastard! I'm not surprised by Katzenberg considering he seems like a jerk (although I have more respect for him than Eisner). Still, both of their actions are appalling.

I'll have to pick up that book, sounds fascinating.

Katzenberg wanted to fire Eddie Murphy from the Nick Nolte film 48 Hrs. because he didn't think he was funny. If not for Donkey in the Shrek films, I'm not sure Dreamworks animation would even exist today.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by zafisher94

Damn! That's disgusting. I was born in '94, so I wasn't old enough to comprehend or care when Eisner was around. What an arrogant bastard! I'm not surprised by Katzenberg considering he seems like a jerk (although I have more respect for him than Eisner). Still, both of their actions are appalling.

I'll have to pick up that book, sounds fascinating.

Heya fellow '94 kid!

I agree, oh my god this makes both Eisner and Katzenberg sound like even more of the self-indulgent bastards I already thought they were.
This explains why I don't like Dreamworks - it has Katzenberg written all over most of it. :/

[taei]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Katzenberg wanted to fire Eddie Murphy from the Nick Nolte film 48 Hrs. because he didn't think he was funny. If not for Donkey in the Shrek films, I'm not sure Dreamworks animation would even exist today.

Ironically, Disney is supposed the "most magical" thing.. So much corruption inside the walls. I wonder, is Disney the richest company or Warner?

[zafisher94]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Katzenberg wanted to fire Eddie Murphy from the Nick Nolte film 48 Hrs. because he didn't think he was funny. If not for Donkey in the Shrek films, I'm not sure Dreamworks animation would even exist today.

just like how no one was going to like "Part of Your World" in TLM. It sounds like the best thing to do is go against Katzenberg.

[zafisher94]

Originally Posted by yumny

Heya fellow '94 kid!

I agree, oh my god this makes both Eisner and Katzenberg sound like even more of the self-indulgent bastards I already thought they were.
This explains why I don't like Dreamworks - it has Katzenberg written all over most of it. :/

nice to know im not the only one haha.

And thats also probably why I don't like dreamworks either now that I think about it.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by yumny

Great idea! We could do different lines like, henceforth;

The Walt Line:

[Show spoiler]
- Snow White
- Pinocchio
- Fantasia (standalone)
- Dumbo
- Bambi
- Saludos Amigos / Three Caballeros 2-Movie Collection
- Make Mine Music
- Fun and Fancy Free
- Melody Time
- Ichabod and Mr. Toad
- Cinderella
- Alice in Wonderland
- Peter Pan
- Lady and the Tramp
- Sleeping Beauty
- 101 Dalmatians
- The Sword in the Stone
- The Jungle Book
- The Aristocats

The Renaissance Line:

[Show spoiler]
- The Little Mermaid
- Rescuers Down Under
- Beauty and the Beast
- Aladdin
- The Lion King
- Pocahontas
- Hunchback of Notre Dame
- Hercules
- Mulan
- Tarzan
- Fantasia 2000

Also, to further go along, we could add

The Princess Line

[Show spoiler]
- SW
- Cinderella
* Cinderella II DCT
* Cinderella III ATIT
- SB
- TLM
* TLM II RTS
* TLM III AB
- Aladdin
* Aladdin II TROJ
* Aladdin III KOT
- Pocahontas
* Pocahontas II JTNW
- Mulan
* Mulan II
- PatF
- Tangled
* Tangled Ever After

And perhaps a special one to counter the "princess" one:

The Disney Heroes Line

[Show spoiler]* Peter Pan
* Robin Hood
* The Rescuers
* The Black Cauldron
* The Great Mouse Detective
* Oliver and Company
* Rescuers Down Under
* Aladdin (re-release)
* The Lion King
* Hunchback of Notre Dame
* Hercules
* Tarzan
* Atlantis: The Lost Empire
* Treasure Planet
* Brother Bear'
* Bolt

And the Disney Dark Ages line? Yeah, that could work .

I really think these lines and Disney's fascination with them is silly. There are only about 50 titles that the Walt Disney studios made, is there really any need to divide them up even further? (apart from excluding certain titles?)
And if there must be separate lines, I suggest that they release every movie twice. One, with the latest CGI logo, scrubbing the picture clean of any grain, boosting the colors and a snappy 7.1 soundtrack, and of course short marketing featurettes and kiddie games. And the other, the movie properly restored, with all original logos intact, no replaced animation, the original soundtrack restored (though not altered), and with honest bonus features that actually go beyond the standard "oh how good we were then".

But that's probably not going to happen.

[taei]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

And the Disney Dark Ages line? Yeah, that could work .

I really think these lines and Disney's fascination with them is silly. There are only about 50 titles that the Walt Disney studios made, is there really any need to divide them up even further? (apart from excluding certain titles?)
And if there must be separate lines, I suggest that they release every movie twice. One, with the latest CGI logo, scrubbing the picture clean of any grain, boosting the colors and a snappy 7.1 soundtrack, and of course short marketing featurettes and kiddie games. And the other, the movie properly restored, with all original logos intact, no replaced animation, the original soundtrack restored (though not altered), and with honest bonus features that actually go beyond the standard "oh how good we were then".

But that's probably not going to happen.

Maybe with the original posters as cover art as well?

I'll add to my imaginary list of things I wanna do If somehow and magically I become the head of disney.
obviously one of the first i'm gonna do is cancel the stupid shows on Disney channel today and fire the pop kids. Also, make a channel called "Disney Classics" 24/7 Disney Classic movies. Only the 52 movies, NO CRAPQUELS.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

And the Disney Dark Ages line? Yeah, that could work .

I really think these lines and Disney's fascination with them is silly. There are only about 50 titles that the Walt Disney studios made, is there really any need to divide them up even further? (apart from excluding certain titles?)
And if there must be separate lines, I suggest that they release every movie twice. One, with the latest CGI logo, scrubbing the picture clean of any grain, boosting the colors and a snappy 7.1 soundtrack, and of course short marketing featurettes and kiddie games. And the other, the movie properly restored, with all original logos intact, no replaced animation, the original soundtrack restored (though not altered), and with honest bonus features that actually go beyond the standard "oh how good we were then".

But that's probably not going to happen.

I was just having a laugh with the lines, nothing serious.
But I actually REALLY like your ideas. Think about it;

a "Customer's Special Edition Line" - everything bundled with cheapquels and whatnot
a "Limited Edition Collector's Line" - like you said, everything honest and downright like it should be, like the poster above I suggest using the original posters as cover art.

Someone here really should become CEO of Disney..

[zafisher94]

Originally Posted by taei

Maybe with the original posters as cover art as well?

I'll add to my imaginary list of things I wanna do If somehow and magically I become the head of disney.
obviously one of the first i'm gonna do is cancel the stupid shows on Disney channel today and fire the pop kids. Also, make a channel called "Disney Classics" 24/7 Disney Classic movies. Only the 52 movies, NO CRAPQUELS.

I've fantasized many times about being head of Disney (with no need to listen to shareholders or anyone else haha)

- I would make Disney Feature Animation solely for traditionally animated films, and use Disney/Pixar for all CGI films.

- I would cease production on Avatar Land in Animal Kingdom, and use only Disney brands for anything in the parks and other Disney properties.

- I would clean up the Home Entertainment Dept. (no more 2-movie collections, either sequels sold separately of as a bonus feature, no more virtual vault, extra bonus disc, more truthful bonus features, ect.)

- I would make severe changes to ABC (which I wont go into now)

- I would go back to making Walt and Mickey the true mascots of Disney and follow Walts lead

- Tear apart the Disney Channel and put on quality programming

[taei]

Originally Posted by zafisher94

I've fantasized many times about being head of Disney (with no need to listen to shareholders or anyone else haha)

- I would make Disney Feature Animation solely for traditionally animated films, and use Disney/Pixar for all CGI films.

- I would cease production on Avatar Land in Animal Kingdom, and use only Disney brands for anything in the parks and other Disney properties.

- I would clean up the Home Entertainment Dept. (no more 2-movie collections, either sequels sold separately of as a bonus feature, no more virtual vault, extra bonus disc, more truthful bonus features, ect.)

- I would make severe changes to ABC (which I wont go into now)

- I would go back to making Walt and Mickey the true mascots of Disney and follow Walts lead

- Tear apart the Disney Channel and put on quality programming

The only thing I would not change is Disney not making CGI... I mean, you gotta get money to make great movies. What I would do is have Walt Disney Animation Studious only for hand-drawn, PIXAR is CGI for adults or older children, and a new subsection of Disney dedicated to please the fans. TInkerbell, and whatnot crap. Also, all disney fairy tail movies are to be hand-drawn.

[zoodermin]

Originally Posted by zafisher94

I've fantasized many times about being head of Disney (with no need to listen to shareholders or anyone else haha)

- I would make Disney Feature Animation solely for traditionally animated films, and use Disney/Pixar for all CGI films.

- I would cease production on Avatar Land in Animal Kingdom, and use only Disney brands for anything in the parks and other Disney properties.

- I would clean up the Home Entertainment Dept. (no more 2-movie collections, either sequels sold separately of as a bonus feature, no more virtual vault, extra bonus disc, more truthful bonus features, ect.)

- I would make severe changes to ABC (which I wont go into now)

- I would go back to making Walt and Mickey the true mascots of Disney and follow Walts lead

- Tear apart the Disney Channel and put on quality programming

You'll certainly get my vote

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by yumny

a "Customer's Special Edition Line" - everything bundled with cheapquels and whatnot
a "Limited Edition Collector's Line" - like you said, everything honest and downright like it should be, like the poster above I suggest using the original posters as cover art.

Well, that's exactly how the trouble started in the first place:
All the New-release feature animateds from '98-'01 came out as 1-disk mass-market Regular and 2-disk DVD Collector's Editions, including Tarzan, Emperor's New Groove, and...wait for it....Atlantis.
Go ahead, guess why Eisner handed down the order to stop making 2-disk Collector's editions. (Shutting down the 2-disk Lilo in mid-production and cutting down the extras on Treasure Planet.)

[zoodermin]

I found out that my local store have brand new copies of Sleeping Beauty and Pinocchio on BD and they cost 29.90 each. Great deal!! Now I finally can complete my Disney Animated Collection.

On another note, these are some conclusions from the Diamond discussion:

-Aladdin WAS dropped from the Diamond line and REPLACED by Fantasia/Fantasia 2000.
-Later, Fantasia/Fantasia 2000 were dropped from the line and Aladdin was re-admitted.
-Both Pinocchio and 101 Dalmatians will be released as non-diamond titles in some European countries. The Diamond line (like the Platinum line before it) is a worldwide collection so if these two titles were dropped in Europe, there are very high chances that they are going to be dropped everywhere else (we just need release dates for the US)
-The rumors of Peter Pan and Sleeping Beauty being dropped from the Diamond line are still RUMORS. There are not confirmation or release dates from either of them so until now they are still part of the collection.

I hope this clarifies the matter.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Well, that's exactly how the trouble started in the first place:
All the New-release feature animateds from '98-'01 came out as 1-disk mass-market Regular and 2-disk DVD Collector's Editions, including Tarzan, Emperor's New Groove, and...wait for it....Atlantis.
Go ahead, guess why Eisner handed down the order to stop making 2-disk Collector's editions. (Shutting down the 2-disk Lilo in mid-production and cutting down the extras on Treasure Planet.)

I know about these beautiful Collector's Editions.. I saw them. They are so expensive on Amazon nowadays.

God damnit, now I feel the urge to punch that son of a % Eisner.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Well, that's exactly how the trouble started in the first place:
All the New-release feature animateds from '98-'01 came out as 1-disk mass-market Regular and 2-disk DVD Collector's Editions, including Tarzan, Emperor's New Groove, and...wait for it....Atlantis.
Go ahead, guess why Eisner handed down the order to stop making 2-disk Collector's editions. (Shutting down the 2-disk Lilo in mid-production and cutting down the extras on Treasure Planet.)

Well, they're giving us 4-disc editions now, so I guess we have it better .

Joking aside, that truly was a great time. Even mediocre (or flat-out awful, YMMV) movies like Dinosaur got a better release than the ones that actually are successes now. It's ridiculous.

[Zachariah617]

Originally Posted by zafisher94

I've fantasized many times about being head of Disney (with no need to listen to shareholders or anyone else haha)

- I would make Disney Feature Animation solely for traditionally animated films, and use Disney/Pixar for all CGI films.

- I would cease production on Avatar Land in Animal Kingdom, and use only Disney brands for anything in the parks and other Disney properties.

- I would clean up the Home Entertainment Dept. (no more 2-movie collections, either sequels sold separately of as a bonus feature, no more virtual vault, extra bonus disc, more truthful bonus features, ect.)

- I would make severe changes to ABC (which I wont go into now)

- I would go back to making Walt and Mickey the true mascots of Disney and follow Walts lead

- Tear apart the Disney Channel and put on quality programming

As I am a frequent viewer of Disney Channel, I understand that the shows are kinda stale & repeating the same basic plot (we have a special talent/ability but we should keep it a secret) or making it all musically.

I'd like to bring back the great 90s Disney, So Weird, Lizzie, Even Stevens (I know they are early 00s but who cares)

So, please leave Disney Channel to me, you can have overall final say but let a hardcore fan tweak things

Z

[Ernest Rister]

Also from DisneyWar...John Lasseter prepared a pitch for a CGI version of The Brave Little Toaster, with boards and tests. After the presentation, Eisner had Lasseter fired. Katzenberg later infamously declared that there was no future for CGI animation.

Instead of paying billions of dollar for Pixar 20 years later, all that followed could have been developed in house at Disney. Instead, for reasons I still can't comprehend, the corporate culture was so toxic that a talent like Lasseter could be fired so abruptly and bluntly, and all that bad karma eventually swung back around and bit Eisner in the ass. Too bad so much damage was done in the meantime.

Oh, and Eisner had Roy Disney fired from the board of directors because Roy had turned 70, and he used that as a pre-text to force Roy out. Roy and Stanley Gold wielded considerable power on the board, and Roy was therefore a threat to Eisner.

Also from DisneyWar, anyone remember the revived Sunday night Disney TV program on ABC hosted by Eisner? Guess who was supposed to be the host...Tom Hanks. Hanks was giddy and excited to host the show, but Eisner wanted to be the new face of Disney, and so he cancelled the plans with Hanks and hosted the show himself. Where Walt was genuine, sincere, and a joy to watch (which is why the American people started referring to him as "Uncle Walt"), Eisner was stilted, phony, and profoundly untelegenic.

Roy appeared on the Platinum DVD for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, and guess who shows up at the end of the movie, sitting in an easy chair and closing a book as if he was the one relating to us the story of Snow White? Yep, Mr. Eisner. Again and again, he was trying to be the face of Disney, trying to supplant Walt.

He also wanted to fire Johnny Depp from Pirates of the Caribbean, but that's hardly breaking news, I figure everybody knows that by now.

[PuppyJonathan]

Originally Posted by zafisher94

I'm still so disgusted that Iger took out the "Walt" in the Walt Disney pictures logo. What a horrible decision.

I noticed that in Brave, I wasn't too thrilled with that

Originally Posted by yumny

Great idea! We could do different lines like, henceforth;

The Walt Line:

[Show spoiler]
- Snow White
- Pinocchio
- Fantasia (standalone)
- Dumbo
- Bambi
- Saludos Amigos / Three Caballeros 2-Movie Collection
- Make Mine Music
- Fun and Fancy Free
- Melody Time
- Ichabod and Mr. Toad
- Cinderella
- Alice in Wonderland
- Peter Pan
- Lady and the Tramp
- Sleeping Beauty
- 101 Dalmatians
- The Sword in the Stone
- The Jungle Book
- The Aristocats

The Renaissance Line:

[Show spoiler]
- The Little Mermaid
- Rescuers Down Under
- Beauty and the Beast
- Aladdin
- The Lion King
- Pocahontas
- Hunchback of Notre Dame
- Hercules
- Mulan
- Tarzan
- Fantasia 2000

Also, to further go along, we could add

The Princess Line

[Show spoiler]
- SW
- Cinderella
* Cinderella II DCT
* Cinderella III ATIT
- SB
- TLM
* TLM II RTS
* TLM III AB
- Aladdin
* Aladdin II TROJ
* Aladdin III KOT
- Pocahontas
* Pocahontas II JTNW
- Mulan
* Mulan II
- PatF
- Tangled
* Tangled Ever After

And perhaps a special one to counter the "princess" one:

The Disney Heroes Line

[Show spoiler]* Peter Pan
* Robin Hood
* The Rescuers
* The Black Cauldron
* The Great Mouse Detective
* Oliver and Company
* Rescuers Down Under
* Aladdin (re-release)
* The Lion King
* Hunchback of Notre Dame
* Hercules
* Tarzan
* Atlantis: The Lost Empire
* Treasure Planet
* Brother Bear'
* Bolt

Nice to see you add on I'll go further and make each edition two blu-ray discs

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

You think that's offensive, Eisner once ruminated how he shared as many letters in his last name as Walt Disney, and - get this - once envisioned a time when he would supplant Walt, and even pass control of the company down to his heir, Breck Eisner, creating a multi-generational legacy (source DisneyWar by James Stewart). Stories like that are part of why Eisner rankles so many animation enthusiasts. That, and Katzenberg stealing paintings from the Disney archives, and when he was stopped by security, one of the upper execs called him and asked what the hell he was doing. Katzenberg responded that Walt used to take paintings home and keep them, and Katzenberg was told, "You're not Walt Disney."

"I'm the new Walt Disney." Katzenberg shot back.

Uh huh.

On my Walt Disney Treasures: Mickey Mouse in Black and White: Volume 2, a part of the "D" fell off it and it looked like if I flipped the "D" around it will spell eisner

[zafisher94]

Originally Posted by Zachariah617

As I am a frequent viewer of Disney Channel, I understand that the shows are kinda stale & repeating the same basic plot (we have a special talent/ability but we should keep it a secret) or making it all musically.

I'd like to bring back the great 90s Disney, So Weird, Lizzie, Even Stevens (I know they are early 00s but who cares)

So, please leave Disney Channel to me, you can have overall final say but let a hardcore fan tweak things

Z

would be glad to put you in charge of it lol