BDA..Sony..Anybody - Lower your prices

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by Luis_A51

J6P doesnt have an HDTV either.

You guys need to get real. The amount of people "on the fence" really isnt that big.

Cheaper player prices will help, dont get me wrong, but theres no way Bluray players will ever match HDDVD players in price. Player makers want to make money that being said a small decreases in price could/should be expected, especially on 1.0 players (they should definitely put all of those on clearance) but unfortunately I get the feeling that they wont until all companies have their 1.1s out (I get a big sense of collusion from the BDA CE companies)

What do you think will happen when the people buying 1.0 players realize they are missing out on stuff available on a newer model? You can't expect the typical best buy or circuit city employee to accurately educate the masses. I do foresee a lot of returns.

[rpneuss]

Originally Posted by Luis_A51

J6P doesnt have an HDTV either.

You guys need to get real. The amount of people "on the fence" really isnt that big.

Cheaper player prices will help, dont get me wrong, but theres no way Bluray players will ever match HDDVD players in price. Player makers want to make money that being said a small decreases in price could/should be expected, especially on 1.0 players (they should definitely put all of those on clearance) but unfortunately I get the feeling that they wont until all companies have their 1.1s out (I get a big sense of collusion from the BDA CE companies)

Did I ever suggest that Blu-Ray players be pricepointed the same? I think not. I just suggested getting them within about 100 dollars of HDDVD. I know that you get what you pay for, but seeing as HDDVD is the competition, Blu Ray should be competetive. I think they will get there, but for people to say that Blu shouldn't move on their current pricepoints is purely ridiculous. Also, to counter your other point, J6P is starting to get HDTV's. Prices are coming down and the number of households getting them is going up everyday. So how are cheap HDDVD players gonna help Blu out? Read the article posted earlier about the cheapo HDDVD player being #1 on Amazon. That should get some attention I think.

[bootman]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

1) Stop fighting amongst other users in this forum.

2) Don't go into panic mode just because Toshiba is on a firesale of their 2nd gen hardware.



fuad

The Sears Black Friday sale for $169.99 is for the A3, their latest model with 7 free movies.
That is quite a temptation no matter how you want to disect it.

[Pilam69]

Originally Posted by BigB88

So what, they will make 20 times this on futurte game revenue. This is peanuts to these companies.

Publicly traded companies have to answer to investors, losses do matter. My actual POINT though was that companies won't lower the prices on BD players and take the losses that Sony is willing to incur to establish Blu-Ray as the standard and I don't blame them. I paid $400 for my first DVD player too. That's how it works, it's early adoption. Price alone will not win this for either side. If price was the only thing to worry about then HD-Blah would be the standard and that is OBVIOUSLY not happening. People are willing to pay a premium for a better format (Blu) and are doing so. The price is fine (for now).

Sony game revenue is not 20 billion by the way. I don't have the #'s in front of me but if you show me different I will be SHOCKED.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by aristotles

Price of the hardware is not holding back adoption. People go out and buy 2000+ dollar HDTV's all the time. Buying a player is a one time cost that people are willing to pay if they view it as having quality, reliability and value in the features it includes.

The price of the titles, however, are holding back adoption. If you want a concrete example of what happens when prices are lowered to the DVD level on titles, look no further than the recent BOGO sales and how they helped defeat Transformers on HD DVD.

Uncertainty is yet another factor keeping people on the fence. If Warner goes Blu-ray exclusive, people will adopt Blu-ray in a big way and that will naturally drive down prices of hardware as economies of scale kick in. Once that happens, Blu-ray will begin to replace DVD as the video disc standard as adoption accelerates even more.

I believe that the BDA should concentrate on getting WB exclusive to Blu-ray and encourage all of the Blu-ray studios to being lowering their MSRP closer to DVD levels.

Look at Apple as an example of a company that makes a nice profit margin on hardware. They attract people to their platform with great software at a low price and that is what the BDA needs to do with here.

Forget about trying to win marketshare by sacrificing profitability as that is the old way of business thinking. Build a great platform with affordable content and they will come.

exactly:
Bogo had its effect if the Blu-Ray studios keep dropping the Disc PRICES TO
DVD or near DVD prices for new release say $16.00 to $19.00 that will pretty much seal the deal

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by thrlride

What do you think will happen when the people buying 1.0 players realize they are missing out on stuff available on a newer model? You can't expect the typical best buy or circuit city employee to accurately educate the masses. I do foresee a lot of returns.

The vast majority of people will say "hmmm interactive features, or save an extra $100+? Ill take the $100 off!!"

The VAST majority. Hell If I could I would buy EVERY SINGLE movie I want with ZERO special features if it meant having them for cheaper.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by bootman

The Sears Black Friday sale for $169.99 is for the A3, their latest model with 7 free movies.
That is quite a temptation no matter how you want to disect it.

not at all because unless they have an HDTV it will not net them any results better than DVD so unless they already have a HDTV or plan to buy a HDTV it will not do them any good other than to stick with just DVD. The real challenge is to get the price of the movie DISC's themselves down lower you do that to near or at standard DVD prices people will buy. the BOGO sale of Blu-Ray from the past week proved that without a shadow of a doubt.

[Sonny]

F*CK PiP that's some stupid sh*t

[mcy_999]

Originally Posted by rpneuss

.... I just suggested getting them within about 100 dollars of HDDVD. .

For 1080P HD players, Blu-ray players are already within $100. For some cases like Toshiba XA-2, BD players are acutally cheaper. The sub-$200 Toshiba players (A2) or even the $300 A3 are all 720P players which are of half of pixel resolutions of 1080P players. Blu-ray players are all 1080P high end devices. Blu-ray has no reason to scale itself down to match 720P HD DVD player quality or prices.

http://shopper.cnet.com/4144-5_9-0.h...&searchType=sh

That is the reason the 40GB PS3 will be super successful. For $399, you get a high quality HD game console and a FREE BD palyer.

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by rpneuss

ROFLMAO!!!! You have got to be kidding me. You and I are in a small minority that loves this new high tech stuff and keeps up with it daily by reading articles on the internet about new media etc. Do you really think that J6P does this? Seriously?

He must not. Certainly Digital Satellite, Digital Cable, and now FIOS is for the minority right? Afterall, the costy just 1000 times as much as rabbit antennas on a black/white set. Finally, when they sell souped-up special edition standard DVDs at inflated prices I guess that is for the minority as well.

You and I must really be special. They created a whole new platform for us.

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by rpneuss

Did I ever suggest that Blu-Ray players be pricepointed the same? I think not. I just suggested getting them within about 100 dollars of HDDVD. I know that you get what you pay for, but seeing as HDDVD is the competition, Blu Ray should be competetive. I think they will get there, but for people to say that Blu shouldn't move on their current pricepoints is purely ridiculous. Also, to counter your other point, J6P is starting to get HDTV's. Prices are coming down and the number of households getting them is going up everyday. So how are cheap HDDVD players gonna help Blu out? Read the article posted earlier about the cheapo HDDVD player being #1 on Amazon. That should get some attention I think.

J6P doesnt shop online yet either. If he did we wouldnt have thousands of BBs, CCs, Fryes, Walmarts and whatever else you have over in the states. Amazon isnt everything. Besides theres little incentive to buy a standard dvd player online, so its not surprising that the HDDVD player is #1.

That being said, yes I did say the BDA CE companies should drop prices by $50-100, and more on 1.0 players. But we dont know what the margins are on these players, and we DO know they all want to make a profit on them. So you cant arbitrarily say they should drop prices to a specific amount over hddvd.

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by bootman

The Sears Black Friday sale for $169.99 is for the A3, their latest model with 7 free movies.
That is quite a temptation no matter how you want to disect it.

Arent black friday sales typically outrageous though? Are we going to make the same big deal out of boxing day sales?

You're right though, at that price you can expect atleast a few people to be trampled over.

[rpneuss]

Originally Posted by mdm1699

He must not. Certainly Digital Satellite, Digital Cable, and now FIOS is for the minority right? Afterall, the costy just 1000 times as much as rabbit antennas on a black/white set. Finally, when they sell souped-up special edition standard DVDs at inflated prices I guess that is for the minority as well.

You and I must really be special. They created a whole new platform for us.

Weak argument, you're gonna compare black and white TV to the argument were having over BOTH being hi def? Surely you can do better than this. As far as Sat goes, many people including myself switched to it because it was cheaper than cable. Imagine that...

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by mcy_999

For 1080P HD players, Blu-ray players are already within $100. For some cases like Toshiba XA-2, BD players are acutally cheaper. The sub-$200 Toshiba players (A2) or even the $300 A3 are all 720P players which are of half of pixel resolutions of 1080P players. Blu-ray players are all 1080P high end devices. Blu-ray has no reason to scale itself down to match 720P HD DVD player quality or prices.

http://shopper.cnet.com/4144-5_9-0.h...&searchType=sh

That is the reason the 40GB PS3 will be super successful. For $399, you get a high quality HD game console and a FREE BD palyer.

Don't Dumb your self down Oh wait you just did

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by mcy_999

For 1080P HD players, Blu-ray players are already within $100. For some cases like Toshiba XA-2, BD players are acutally cheaper. The sub-$200 Toshiba players (A2) or even the $300 A3 are all 720P players which are of half of pixel resolutions of 1080P players. Blu-ray players are all 1080P high end devices. Blu-ray has no reason to scale itself down to match 720P HD DVD player quality or prices.

http://shopper.cnet.com/4144-5_9-0.h...&searchType=sh

That is the reason the 40GB PS3 will be super successful. For $399, you get a high quality HD game console and a FREE BD palyer.

The majority of HDTV's in peoples homes are 720p or 1080i. The A2 and A3 are marketed to all but made for them. I think the average person looks at his options and buys what he thinks bets fits his needs, obviously. Not everyone can afford a high-end tv and a high-end hd player to take advantage of the 1080p they may have. Perhaps they did a side-by-side at the store and couldn't tell a difference so they bought what's cheaper.

As it is right now blu-ray has the high-end market covered and the middle ground as well. HD-DVD, even though inferior, has all three grounds covered.

Still untouched is the ultra cheap sub $100 territory.

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by joeorc

exactly:
Bogo had its effect if the Blu-Ray studios keep dropping the Disc PRICES TO
DVD or near DVD prices for new release say $16.00 to $19.00 that will pretty much seal the deal

The problem is that the higher software prices are the only reason why studios support HDM in the first place (well BD+ too I guess). You will not get DVD prices for a very very long time. Im just being realistic.

As a consumer I do wish catalogue movies would be no more than $19.99 and new releases no more than $24.99-29.99 (im looking at you FOX)

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by thrlride

I don't think you have a grasp on the buying public.

How many Vizio's are sold vs pioneer elite plasmas?
How many Honda Civics are sold vs BMW 5 series?
How many Dell's are sold vs Alienware?

I'll concede you grasp creating contrived and misleading analogies however

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by rpneuss

Weak argument, you're gonna compare black and white TV to the argument were having over BOTH being hi def? Surely you can do better than this. As far as Sat goes, many people including myself switched to it because it was cheaper than cable. Imagine that...

Surface reader. No wonder you miss the points!

[rpneuss]

Originally Posted by mdm1699

Surface reader. No wonder you miss the points!

LOL...I'll grant you that you at least have a sense of humor.

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

I'll concede you grasp creating contrived and misleading analogies however

Please enlighten me.

I was just listing something that was double the price.

The whole point is that they need to release a cheaper player. That stands a better chance at killing hd-dvd than anything else other than cheaper media and cheaper players.