House M.D. - Complete Collection Pre-order

[BLUCanadian]

Any info available on region coding for this release?? (or the Spanish/German versions)
Thanks

[FilmFanSam]

Originally Posted by BLUCanadian

Any info available on region coding for this release?? (or the Spanish/German versions)
Thanks

Region free.

[5150]

Audio doesn't concern me much. I just want one thing, a US release! As someone who doesn't typically follow releases like this, what are the odds of a US release? Are international versions typically released first, followed by the US?

And if no US release, I just want one that has the original theme song!

[invisiblekid]

Originally Posted by Buzz201

Are you British? The NC-17 and the 18 are not on the same level, in the US you cannot easily advertise an NC-17 (print publications won't let you), most stores won't stock NC-17s and most cienmas won't show NC-17s in any large degree. It's very unlikely an NC-17 would enter the US box office top 10, never mind top it.

None of that is an issue with 18 rated films in the UK, 18 rated The Wolf of Wall Street was a box office no. 1 three weeks in a row over here (for reference it was an R in the US, and peaked at no. 4 in it's second and third weeks).

Sorry meant R rated, I know NC-17 is a pretty rare thing in the US.

WOWS was cert18 in the UK and also did well. However, it's not often 18's do this well in the UK. R ratings in the US do better people under 17 can still go as long as they are with an adult? In our cinemas, they don't let anyone under 18 to see an 18 rated film even with an adult.

[Buzz201]

Originally Posted by invisiblekid

Sorry meant R rated, I know NC-17 is a pretty rare thing in the US.

WOWS was cert18 in the UK and also did well. However, it's not often 18's do this well in the UK. R ratings in the US do better people under 17 can still go as long as they are with an adult? In our cinemas, they don't let anyone under 18 to see an 18 rated film even with an adult.

R rated films are effectively a "17A" classification, whereas the 18 is restricted to 18s only.

I'm not sure you can say that R rated films do do better than 18 rated films, because most of the R rated films that do well are given a 15 in the UK, so whilst you may find R rated films can be more successful than 18 rated films, it's probably the 15 rated films rather than the 18 rated ones.

[minister_x]

Originally Posted by invisiblekid

Someone on a thread somewhere (can't effing find now) mentioned about it being 18 rated (UK) for just one small reason? can't remember what it was, but I find it a little strange that Universal kept whatever it was in.

They did the same with the complete series of Battlestar Galactica. Both of them are due to showing 'imitable suicide techniques'. (With BSG, I think it was a deleted scene which bumped the rating up.)

As an aside, it always amuses me that the US TV-14 rating can have violence in it that bumps the UK rating up to 18, but not a single utterance of bad language or scenes of a sexual nature that would happily get by at a UK 15, else the program gets a TV-MA.

[Buzz201]

Originally Posted by minister_x

They did the same with the complete series of Battlestar Galactica. Both of them are due to showing 'imitable suicide techniques'. (With BSG, I think it was a deleted scene which bumped the rating up.)

As an aside, it always amuses me that the US TV-14 rating can have violence in it that bumps the UK rating up to 18, but not a single utterance of bad language or scenes of a sexual nature that would happily get by at a UK 15, else the program gets a TV-MA.

If it was an imitable suicide technique, it probably wasn't going down a certificate if resubmitted, so the only option is cutting, which they probably didn't want to do.

Some of the cable networks (primarily USA) now allow mild and moderate language at a TV-14, but certainly not what the BBFC would term strong or very strong language. And for some reason the Americans consider "shit" to be stronger than the British, so most networks will let you use the term for a female dog (it's filtered here) but not "shit" which always seemed odd to me.

[jordanwalkert]

My UK set shipped today from Amazon. I'll let everyone know the quality of everything when it arrives

[HotRats]

Forgot to cancel my preorder. Discs are multilingual with German FSK marks as well as UK BBFC. Discs boot with a language selection menu. All discs including currently available series are now DTS 5.1 even though the bottom of the box and each individual box carries the DTS HD-MA logo. Back it goes and I'm going to wait until such time as there's an American issue

[insomniac013]

Originally Posted by HotRats

Forgot to cancel my preorder. Discs are multilingual with German FSK marks as well as UK BBFC. Discs boot with a language selection menu. All discs including currently available series are now DTS 5.1 even though the bottom of the box and each individual box carries the DTS HD-MA logo. Back it goes and I'm going to wait until such time as there's an American issue

You definitely have grounds returning it, considering the box is lying!

Guess we gotta wait for whatever FOX is doing in the states. (Though that will probably be region locked.)

[Cap.T]

Originally Posted by insomniac013

You definitely have grounds returning it, considering the box is lying!

Guess we gotta wait for whatever FOX is doing in the states. (Though that will probably be region locked.)

FOX won't be doing anything with it in the states. The show just aired on FOX there, but it was produced by Universal and therefore will be released by Universal in the states as well.

[Buzz201]

Originally Posted by insomniac013

You definitely have grounds returning it, considering the box is lying!

Guess we gotta wait for whatever FOX is doing in the states. (Though that will probably be region locked.)

It's not lying, most blu-rays include that logo, even if they don't have DTS-MA HD tracks on board. The existence of the logo does not mean the main feature will have the track, you can infer it, but unless the box specifically says English DTS MA HD (or specifications to the effect) it's not lying you've just made an incorrect inference...

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Buzz201

It's not lying, most blu-rays include that logo, even if they don't have DTS-MA HD tracks on board. The existence of the logo does not mean the main feature will have the track, you can infer it, but unless the box specifically says English DTS MA HD (or specifications to the effect) it's not lying you've just made an incorrect inference...

Actually, yes it is. The box has the DTS-HD MA logo and does not feature that audio. Even if you posit that the original audio does not have to be DTS-HD MA (which is ludicrous, but still plausible), the fact that the logo is on the box, but the format is not included for any audio on the set at all is the very definition of false advertising.

[Buzz201]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Actually, yes it is. The box has the DTS-HD MA logo and does not feature that audio. Even if you posit that the original audio does not have to be DTS-HD MA (which is ludicrous, but still plausible), the fact that the logo is on the box, but the format is not included for any audio on the set at all is the very definition of false advertising.

The mere presence of the logo does not mean the box will necessarily have an audio track that meets that specification. You can infer it, it would be a logical inference. But unless the box specifically says "English DTS-MA HD" or similar it isn't lying, it's just somewhat misleading...

And I say that as somebody who's currently holding a copy of Braquo with a DTS-HD MA 5.1 logo on, despite the fact the only available audio is LPCM 2.0, as the audio specification states...

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Buzz201

The mere presence of the logo does not mean the box will necessarily have an audio track that meets that specification. You can infer it, it would be a logical inference. But unless the box specifically says "English DTS-MA HD" or similar it isn't lying, it's just somewhat misleading...

And I say that as somebody who's currently holding a copy of Braquo with a DTS-HD MA 5.1 logo on, despite the fact the only available audio is LPCM 2.0, as the audio specification states...

Yes, but it does not matter what audio is on the disc or not, because that doesn't change the fact that to advertise DTS-HD MA audio on the packaging of a release creates a direct expectation that such audio will be included on the release. The fact that this doesn't always happen, and that covers are often produced in error, is not relevant.

With the Braquo release you mention, it would be perfectly acceptable to contact Amazon and return the item for a refund, since Arrow are falsely advertising a DTS-HD MA 5.1 track (and going off the French BD releases, one exists), but only offering LPCM 2.0. In practice, many are not likely to do so, but it is still the customer's prerogative.

To clarify, "somewhat misleading" would be advertise DTS-HD MA audio on an English-language film or TV show, when in fact the discs offer only English: DTS 5.1 tracks and a German: DTS-HD MA 5.1 dubbed audio track. In this case, the DTS-HD MA audio is still offered on the disc, just not in the configuration one would expect. Even in this case, one could probably make a sound argument for returning the release, if desired.

In the case of this House M.D. set, all of the audio is offered in lossy DTS format, so it is not appropriate to advertise DTS-HD MA audio on the box at all, and every customer has every right to return the set for a full refund. Again, the false advertising here is essentially "lying" even though it was probably ignorance, not deception, that was the culprit. Either way, the fault lies with Universal UK, who are responsible for the packaging on this release.

[jordanwalkert]

Honestly, it shouldn't matter a ton. Even with DTS 5.1, that's still better quality than you've ever experienced the show's early seasons. It's better than broadcast Dolby 5.1, it's better than previous DVD versions, and a show like this is mostly talking and minor atmospheric sounds. I highly doubt there would be a huge jump in quality to DTS-MA. Besides, the 1080p video of a show shot, color graded and mastered entirely from 35mm film is what makes this worth it. House has always looked and sounded incredible, so this will be a huge upgrade regardless. Because who knows when or if we will ever get a release in the US- and even if we do, that might not include lossless either!

[The Apocalypse]

It's a misrepresentation either way, it's more about the principles. This is not the first time this has happened, nor I suspect will it be the last. The fact of the matter is, that people buying it will rightly expect it to have DTS-HD MA if it is so advertised, which it often is on the actual discs as well.

[Buzz201]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Yes, but it does not matter what audio is on the disc or not, because that doesn't change the fact that to advertise DTS-HD MA audio on the packaging of a release creates a direct expectation that such audio will be included on the release. The fact that this doesn't always happen, and that covers are often produced in error, is not relevant.

With the Braquo release you mention, it would be perfectly acceptable to contact Amazon and return the item for a refund, since Arrow are falsely advertising a DTS-HD MA 5.1 track (and going off the French BD releases, one exists), but only offering LPCM 2.0. In practice, many are not likely to do so, but it is still the customer's prerogative.

To clarify, "somewhat misleading" would be advertise DTS-HD MA audio on an English-language film or TV show, when in fact the discs offer only English: DTS 5.1 tracks and a German: DTS-HD MA 5.1 dubbed audio track. In this case, the DTS-HD MA audio is still offered on the disc, just not in the configuration one would expect. Even in this case, one could probably make a sound argument for returning the release, if desired.

In the case of this House M.D. set, all of the audio is offered in lossy DTS format, so it is not appropriate to advertise DTS-HD MA audio on the box at all, and every customer has every right to return the set for a full refund. Again, the false advertising here is essentially "lying" even though it was probably ignorance, not deception, that was the culprit. Either way, the fault lies with Universal UK, who are responsible for the packaging on this release.

Whilst I think Amazon will accept your return, that's not necessarily because they agree it's lying, that's not neccesarily because they agree it's lying, it's because they're a huge business, and they'd probably accept your return regardless of what you put...

And I certainly could not return Braquo to Amazon, I purchased it from Zavvi...

[Kuros]

Originally Posted by Buzz201

It's not lying, most blu-rays include that logo, even if they don't have DTS-MA HD tracks on board. The existence of the logo does not mean the main feature will have the track, you can infer it, but unless the box specifically says English DTS MA HD (or specifications to the effect) it's not lying you've just made an incorrect inference...

Originally Posted by Buzz201

The mere presence of the logo does not mean the box will necessarily have an audio track that meets that specification. You can infer it, it would be a logical inference. But unless the box specifically says "English DTS-MA HD" or similar it isn't lying, it's just somewhat misleading...

And I say that as somebody who's currently holding a copy of Braquo with a DTS-HD MA 5.1 logo on, despite the fact the only available audio is LPCM 2.0, as the audio specification states...

Originally Posted by Buzz201

Whilst I think Amazon will accept your return, that's not necessarily because they agree it's lying, that's not neccesarily because they agree it's lying, it's because they're a huge business, and they'd probably accept your return regardless of what you put...

And I certainly could not return Braquo to Amazon, I purchased it from Zavvi...

Dumber than a Sony.

[Buzz201]

Originally Posted by Kuros

Dumber than a Sony.

How bloody rude.

Since nowhere on the case does it explicitly state it contains DTS-HD MA audio, the case does not lie. It's a reasonable assumption to make that Universal wouldn't include the logo if there wasn't DTS-HD MA audio on the disc, and it is certainly misleading, but it isn't lying, because nowhere have Universal explicitly said it contains DTS-HD MA audio, you have simply inferred it from the presence of the logo, therefore the problem is in your logic, rather than in the packaging.