Shin Godzilla (2016)

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by DouglasJ

Godzilla 2 is not with Universal, it's with Warner Bros. They are still distributing the sequels despite the Legendary/Universal deal.

Then I was quite clearly mistaken, thank you for bringing that to my attention. All this time I had been thinking that Universal had it.

As usual I just jumped to the wrong conclusion.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Lt. Brannigan

I thought Godzilla was with Universal now because of Legendary's studio jump?

Nope. Godzilla sequels are still distributed by Warner. Most likely so will the Toho movie in the states. Keep in mind it will probably be into 2017 before this is ready for an American blu-Ray release so I suspect it will be used to promote Godzilla 2. By then Godzilla 2 will be in pre production so a feature on the disc promoting Godzilla 2 I see as very likely

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Nope. Godzilla sequels are still distributed by Warner.

I hate it when I am wrong... I just did some googling to see where I went wrong, and truth is I just assumed that Legendary got sole custody of Godzilla, but the fact is that Legendary and WB share custody.

Now I will sit in the corner with my dunce cap.

[steev210]

I doubt Warner would release this. They probably don't want American audiences thinking this is in some way their follow up to their 2014 blockbuster or that they had any type of involvement in its production.

They'll probably want to distance themselves from this film as much as possible and want to steer clear of a film that may or may not include the "man in a rubber suit stomping on miniature sets that is hilariously dubbed " or some other sub-par effects that the Japanese productions are known for. This could potentially hurt their own sequel coming in 2018 and negatively impact production and influence moviegoers decision to invest their hard earned money to see any Godzilla follow up if their 2016 Godzilla is deemed "cheesy" by American audiences.

I think Sony may release it or an independent label. But that being said I'm really looking forward to this being a huge fan of the series.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by steev210

I doubt Warner would release this. They probably don't want American audiences thinking this is in some way their follow up to their 2014 blockbuster or that they had any type of involvement in its production.

They'll probably want to distance themselves from this film as much as possible and want to steer clear of a film that may or may not include the "man in a rubber suit stomping on miniature sets that is hilariously dubbed " or some other sub-par effects that the Japanese productions are known for. This could potentially hurt their own sequel coming in 2018 and negatively impact production and influence moviegoers decision to invest their hard earned money to see any Godzilla follow up if their 2016 Godzilla is deemed "cheesy" by American audiences.

I think Sony may release it or an independent label. But that being said I'm really looking forward to this being a huge fan of the series.

Usually when a new big budget DC live action movie comes out we also get an animated DCU movie released about the character with a much smaller budget. So studios usually don't see a lower budget versions of characters on the direct to video market as a threat to big budget productions. Also while Japanese special effects are way behind Hollywood they aren't as bad as they used to be. Toho has advertised they plan on taking advantage of advancements in digital effects even if they don't completely abandon suit effects

[steev210]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Usually when a new big budget DC live action movie comes out we also get an animated DCU movie released about the character with a much smaller budget. So studios usually don't see a lower budget versions of characters on the direct to video market as a threat to big budget productions. Also while Japanese special effects are way behind Hollywood they aren't as bad as they used to be. Toho has advertised they plan on taking advantage of advancements in digital effects even if they don't completely abandon suit effects

That's true and I can see your point but audiences know what they're getting and what to expect from an animated movie with a small budget vs a movie that's live action with an equally small budget.I think audiences are more open to a modest animated film than live action especially if its a foreign production.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Showa is my favorite Godzilla era by far.

Same here. While can I find something to appreciate in all of them, Showa easily has the best movies and is the most consistently good and interesting. It has its misses too of course, but in the other two the misses are more rule than exception. And I don't get the view that Showa is much "cheesier" than Heisei and Millennium. The humor and camp in many of the '60s and '70s films strikes me as a deliberate stylistic choice most of the time, as opposed to the very much unintentional badness (i.e., cheesiness) of something like Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.

Originally Posted by steev210

I doubt Warner would release this. They probably don't want American audiences thinking this is in some way their follow up to their 2014 blockbuster or that they had any type of involvement in its production.

They'll probably want to distance themselves from this film as much as possible and want to steer clear of a film that may or may not include the "man in a rubber suit stomping on miniature sets that is hilariously dubbed " or some other sub-par effects that the Japanese productions are known for. This could potentially hurt their own sequel coming in 2018 and negatively impact production and influence moviegoers decision to invest their hard earned money to see any Godzilla follow up if their 2016 Godzilla is deemed "cheesy" by American audiences.

I think Sony may release it or an independent label. But that being said I'm really looking forward to this being a huge fan of the series.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Usually when a new big budget DC live action movie comes out we also get an animated DCU movie released about the character with a much smaller budget. So studios usually don't see a lower budget versions of characters on the direct to video market as a threat to big budget productions. Also while Japanese special effects are way behind Hollywood they aren't as bad as they used to be. Toho has advertised they plan on taking advantage of advancements in digital effects even if they don't completely abandon suit effects

This new Japanese movie is obviously not going to be seen by the masses anyway so it wouldn't make much difference for Warner if they do indeed release it. At most a very limited theatrical release, then a home video release that mostly just fans of the Japanese films will pay attention to.

As for the special effects, I believe Higuchi said they're going to employ traditional techniques like suits, puppets, etc. but "enhance" them with CGI. Which I think is the best way to do if they're going for a mix; completely CG characters tend to look pretty bad in Japanese movies due to the much lower budgets. I always cringe a bit at the (usually mercifully brief) CG shots in the Millennium films. Even Gamera 2 and 3, which make the best use of the technology of any kaiju movies I've seen, have their moments where it looks pretty bad (doesn't help that they were made in the '90s, of course).

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Same here. While can I find something to appreciate in all of them, Showa easily has the best movies and is the most consistently good and interesting. It has its misses too of course, but in the other two the misses are more rule than exception. And I don't get the view that Showa is much "cheesier" than Heisei and Millennium. The humor and camp in many of the '60s and '70s films strikes me as a deliberate stylistic choice most of the time, as opposed to the very much unintentional badness (i.e., cheesiness) of something like Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.

I think many people get old and cheesy mixed up. So any movie older than them is automatically cheesy.

This new Japanese movie is obviously not going to be seen by the masses anyway so it wouldn't make much difference for Warner if they do indeed release it. At most a very limited theatrical release, then a home video release that mostly just fans of the Japanese films will pay attention to.

Exactly, the best we can hope for is a limited release. There simply isn't enough of a market for foreign films domestically.

As for the special effects, I believe Higuchi said they're going to employ traditional techniques like suits, puppets, etc. but "enhance" them with CGI. Which I think is the best way to do if they're going for a mix; completely CG characters tend to look pretty bad in Japanese movies due to the much lower budgets. I always cringe a bit at the (usually mercifully brief) CG shots in the Millennium films. Even Gamera 2 and 3, which make the best use of the technology of any kaiju movies I've seen, have their moments where it looks pretty bad (doesn't help that they were made in the '90s, of course).

There was an article somewhere that confirmed the approach they were taking, it was brief article stating pretty the same thing you mention in terms of the FX mix.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

This new Japanese movie is obviously not going to be seen by the masses anyway so it wouldn't make much difference for Warner if they do indeed release it. At most a very limited theatrical release, then a home video release that mostly just fans of the Japanese films will pay attention to.

As for the special effects, I believe Higuchi said they're going to employ traditional techniques like suits, puppets, etc. but "enhance" them with CGI. Which I think is the best way to do if they're going for a mix; completely CG characters tend to look pretty bad in Japanese movies due to the much lower budgets. I always cringe a bit at the (usually mercifully brief) CG shots in the Millennium films. Even Gamera 2 and 3, which make the best use of the technology of any kaiju movies I've seen, have their moments where it looks pretty bad (doesn't help that they were made in the '90s, of course).

Yeah some of the CGI in the Millennium Godzilla movies does look shoddy but there is a 12 year time gap between the last Toho Godzilla movie and next years movie. 12 years is a long time in the world of computer graphics. That's the time gap between the PlayStation 1 and the PlayStation 3 for example. That and Toho seems to be giving this movie a longer production time than any of the Millennium movies which were rushed out year after year. So while I don't expect effects on the level of any recent Hollywood blockbuster I do expect this movie to be a technological leap ahead of any previous Toho Godzilla movie and maybe technically equally to a big budget Hollywood picture from the late 90s/early 2000s

[Janjira54]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Yeah some of the CGI in the Millennium Godzilla movies does look shoddy but there is a 12 year time gap between the last Toho Godzilla movie and next years movie. 12 years is a long time in the world of computer graphics. That's the time gap between the PlayStation 1 and the PlayStation 3 for example. That and Toho seems to be giving this movie a longer production time than any of the Millennium movies which were rushed out year after year. So while I don't expect effects on the level of any recent Hollywood blockbuster I do expect this movie to be a technological leap ahead of any previous Toho Godzilla movie and maybe technically equally to a big budget Hollywood picture from the late 90s/early 2000s

Check out the recent attack on Titan film for a look at the effects

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by Janjira54

Check out the recent attack on Titan film for a look at the effects

I thought those effects pretty good.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Lt. Brannigan

I think many people get old and cheesy mixed up. So any movie older than them is automatically cheesy.

Yeah, I think that's exactly it. Showa gets more crap from the general populace because of the "old = corny/bad" mindset that's all too common.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Yeah some of the CGI in the Millennium Godzilla movies does look shoddy but there is a 12 year time gap between the last Toho Godzilla movie and next years movie. 12 years is a long time in the world of computer graphics. That's the time gap between the PlayStation 1 and the PlayStation 3 for example. That and Toho seems to be giving this movie a longer production time than any of the Millennium movies which were rushed out year after year. So while I don't expect effects on the level of any recent Hollywood blockbuster I do expect this movie to be a technological leap ahead of any previous Toho Godzilla movie and maybe technically equally to a big budget Hollywood picture from the late 90s/early 2000s

True, it's been over a decade since the Millennium series and technology keeps advancing. Then there is the fact that Toho seem to be out to do their best on this film (they've talked about wanting to compete with American productions to the best of their abilities), and Higuchi is one of the best special effects directors living in Japan today. It will be very interesting to see the final results.

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Yeah, I think that's exactly it. Showa gets more crap from the general populace because of the "old = corny/bad" mindset that's all too common.

It's a mindset that breaks my heart because there are so many great movies that they are missing.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by steev210

That's true and I can see your point but audiences know what they're getting and what to expect from an animated movie with a small budget vs a movie that's live action with an equally small budget.I think audiences are more open to a modest animated film than live action especially if its a foreign production.

DC Universe flicks budgets average less than $4 million

Toho's last Godzilla movie Godzilla Final Wars had a budget of $19.5 million. Adjusted to inflation that's over $24 million in todays dollars. The previous five were all half that but that's still way above the usual direct to video flick even in the States

While Toho's monster flicks are low budget by Hollywood standards they aren't Asylum movies with dirt cheap budgets

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

DC Universe flicks budgets average less than $4 million

Toho's last Godzilla movie Godzilla Final Wars had a budget of $19.5 million. Adjusted to inflation that's over $24 million in todays dollars. The previous five were all half that but that's still way above the usual direct to video flick even in the States

While Toho's monster flicks are low budget by Hollywood standards they aren't Asylum movies with dirt cheap budgets

Asylum is their own little thing, and they know how to do it well.

Godzilla is still a prestigious property for Toho, as such they will attempt to further the value instead of cheapening it out for a quick buck.

[Janjira54]

Filming has started at Kamata station in Japan, and extras will be gathering this Sunday (technically Saturday for us) to do a shoot. It seems the current title of the film is "Shin Gojira!", translating to either "Real Godzilla" or "True Godzilla"

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by Janjira54

Filming has started at Kamata station in Japan, and extras will be gathering this Sunday (technically Saturday for us) to do a shoot. It seems the current title of the film is "Shin Gojira!", translating to either "Real Godzilla" or "True Godzilla"

Cool.... now all I have to do is wait impatiently for a trailer and then for the actual movie.

[Janjira54]

Filming starts in a few minutes!

[Himmel]

Godzilla 2016 Set Pics!!!











http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/33...godzilla-2016/

[Lt. Brannigan]

Godzilla is such a divo, he can't even be bothered to show up on set....