Grade the PS3 in it's first year of existence... - Page 5 - Blu-ray Forum

Turomania · 12-04-2007, 05:58 PM

great!

So your saying that the actuall PS3 has it's on volume control?

For instance I'm watching cable and the reciever volume level is set to say 35, then I swith to PS3 on my reciever with the same 35 volume level and the movies are quite low. In order to hear them louder, I need to adjust the volume on my reciever way upto like 47 or so.

Hey thanks for the quick info and response.

Turo

Shin-Ra · 12-04-2007, 06:03 PM

I think I set mine to +2 quite some time back, it should do the trick for you too.

ikbradley · 12-04-2007, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

The only thing I would fault Sony for is revoking EA's right to release the products based on their certification process. They should have made an issue about it instead of releasing them. They should have sent the message this isn't acceptable...try again.

EA should just have its license taken away. EA sucks so bad. I can't think of one decent game except Madden and NHL. Burnout Paradise? Big maybe....

Seriously 2K and Sony produce enough sports titles to put EA out to pasture.

Electronic Arts needs to wind itself up and sell its useful studios to actual developers that care about their product. The Orange Box team in the UK needs to get their food stamps ready, because they are the first on the chopping block (not a single decent title in their history).

Turomania · 12-04-2007, 06:15 PM

Thanks Shin-Ra

Quad · 12-04-2007, 07:35 PM

I'd give it an A-. Just a few features on the video side that I figured they would already have, but the beauty of the PS3 is that they can be added later and probably will.

jason_grumpy · 12-04-2007, 07:59 PM

I'll chime in here, and like many others I will split the grade with hardware/software.

Hardware wise, I will give the PS3 an A+. This is possibly one of the most reliable pieces of hardware that I have ever owned. Since launch, mine has run nearly non stop 365 days out of this year (mostly folding) and hasn't so much as hiccuped. The added functionality not just for gaming really is the icing on the cake. BluRay, Mp3 Player, Video Player, Media Server capabilities, etc. In contrast, my dad's 360 is having issues reading discs after a year of use and being turned on half the time.

At worst, I've had to use a can of compressed air to clear out some dust in the vents. This is just normal wear and tear however.

Launch was hampered by some issues, such as PS1/2 game pixel flipping and bare bones firmware. Thankfully that was fixed with lots of features, and even some minor upscaling support was added for the ps1/2.

Software wise, this is where the PS3 fails. At best I'd give it a D. So far I have not seen any must haves for the PS3. The games are good, but not great. There's nothing that has stuck in mind thinking that 'damn, that was a great game'. Instead I've been more impressed with the visuals.

In contrast, my PS3 has more time total playing PSone or PS2 games and not PS3 games. Instead of developers focusing on the ultimate 3D environment, they should also be focusing on game content. No PS3 game has done this, but I suppose this is to be expected considering content has been dwindling away since the ps1 days.

This really isn't the PS3's fault however, as all consoles today seem to be lacking games with innovative story lines and content. I guess it's just much easier to develop a pretty landscape and guns and hope people like it enough to make it a blockbuster.

This might also be a matter of preference though, since this generation is the era of the shooter. PSone had great RPG's, PS2 had some great strategy games, but the PS3/360 is shoot-o-rama. To me, great shooter games will always be on the PC due to mod-ability, graphics, and controls. Consoles always have lacked this and still do. UT3 for example, If i decide to buy it, will only be for my PC.

Sadly I don't see this changing in the near future. Shooters for the PS3/360 are lined up as far as the eye can see, with a few scattered side-scrollers and racing games, and only two RPG's in development.

Squenix also didn't give me much hope for game development, as when asked recently if a PS3 port of FFonline was in the works they claimed it would take 5 years to do. A re-skin of textures and increasing polygons should not take 5 years. Coupled with their familiarity of the system (FF7 Demo), this concerns me greatly.

Their comments can only tell me that developers are having difficulty grasping programming for multiprocessor environments. Sony should have known that programming for multiple processors is extremely difficult, given that dual cores/quadcores/multiproc PC's to this day have very little non enterprise apps coded for them. Sure a great load of potential is there for awesome raw computing power, but it takes a lot of work to them all work as one core efficiently.

As far as another posters question as to what Blu-Ray has done for gaming, right now I'd say near next to nothing. If the best 25GB-50GB over 9GB can come up with is some extra maps in a shooter, call me disappointed. Where was the epic leap we saw when we went from 32mb carts to 640mb cds? Or 640mb cd's to 4GB dvd's? So far their has been none.

I would love to see a BR disc fully utilized with a great RPG -- even if using pre-rendered backdrops at full 1920x1440 resolution, full voice acting, massive 100+ hour story lines, and HD FMV.

Teazle · 12-04-2007, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikbradley

EA should just have its license taken away. EA sucks so bad. I can't think of one decent game except Madden and NHL. Burnout Paradise? Big maybe....

Seriously 2K and Sony produce enough sports titles to put EA out to pasture.

Electronic Arts needs to wind itself up and sell its useful studios to actual developers that care about their product. The Orange Box team in the UK needs to get their food stamps ready, because they are the first on the chopping block (not a single decent title in their history).

I thought Skate was interesting.

Sonny · 12-04-2007, 08:03 PM

We know the Ps3's Hardware is top notch & well the XBOX360's.....IS NOT!!!!

Teazle · 12-04-2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason_grumpy

...
Software wise, this is where the PS3 fails. At best I'd give it a D. So far I have not seen any must haves for the PS3. The games are good, but not great. There's nothing that has stuck in mind thinking that 'damn, that was a great game'. Instead I've been more impressed with the visuals.

...

I would love to see a BR disc fully utilized with a great RPG -- even if using pre-rendered backdrops at full 1920x1440 resolution, full voice acting, massive 100+ hour story lines, and HD FMV.

Call of Duty 4 to me counts as a truly great shooter.

One way I'd like to see BD utilized better in games is with more uncompressed multichannel music. (Takes up lots of space.)

dpomp · 12-04-2007, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason_grumpy

If the best 25GB-50GB over 9GB can come up with is some extra maps in a shooter, call me disappointed. Where was the epic leap we saw when we went from 32mb carts to 640mb cds? Or 640mb cd's to 4GB dvd's? So far their has been none.

I would love to see a BR disc fully utilized with a great RPG -- even if using pre-rendered backdrops at full 1920x1440 resolution, full voice acting, massive 100+ hour story lines, and HD FMV.

+1. I totally agree with this post. The shooter games are fun at first but I'm starting to get bored. they're all starting to blend together. We need some good rpgs and big rpgs. i want a game so big that it has to be on 2 bds

ikbradley · 12-04-2007, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teazle

I thought Skate was interesting.

Damnit, you're eroding my anger at EA

Yes, Skate is a good game and much better than Tony Hawk.

ikbradley · 12-04-2007, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpompeo

We need some good rpgs and big rpgs. i want a game so big that it has to be on 2 bds

White Knight Story should satisfy you. I am hoping that the developers for Shadow of the Colossus do a follow up.

There are some old school RPG's I would like followed up, such as Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger and 7th Saga (Enix).

jason_grumpy · 12-04-2007, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikbradley

White Knight Story should satisfy you. I am hoping that the developers for Shadow of the Colossus do a follow up.

There are some old school RPG's I would like followed up, such as Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger and 7th Saga (Enix).

Followups have already been done for all of these games..

Chrono Trigger was followed by Radical Dreamers (SFC) and Chrono Cross (PS1). 7th Saga II : Mystic Ark was released on SNES. Secret of Mana was followed by Seiken Densetsu 3 (Jap Only), and several follow ups, prequels, etc made it as the "xxx of Mana" games on PS1 and one on the PS2.

Generally, follow ups should be avoided unless it's a full blown sequel or a series. FFX-2 should have taught us that lesson, and taught it well. That game was pure epic fail. FF7's ending was also fine the way it was, always leaving the big question mark if humanity survived. Obviously they did as followup's came on the PS2 later, but were no wear near the original in terms of game play nor storyline.

I was tempted to pick up White Knight Story, but none of the reviews I read had much to say about it other than it was average at best.

But I also agree that the PS3 needs some really epic RPG's that do take advantage of Blu-Ray's space.

Shin-Ra · 12-05-2007, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason_grumpy

I was tempted to pick up White Knight Story, but none of the reviews I read had much to say about it other than it was average at best.

You were tempted to pick up a game that's months away from release?

Hmmmmk.

It's White Knight Chronicles now by the way. See the English title displayed at the end of the TGS trailer. Phil Harrison let slip the English title at E3 too but it wasn't quite enough to convince everyone.

jason_grumpy · 12-05-2007, 03:32 AM

Errrr... got confuzzled for a moment and crossed games in my mind.

I meant Enchanted Arms. I haven't heard of any concrete news of White Knight Story being localized for US release, as everything I've heard of has been Japan only.

I wouldn't let the English stuff in a Japanese game fool you though, there's quite a few titles, graphics, etc in Japanese games that are English. See Tales of Phantasia, Star Ocean, Final Fantasy 4,5,6, etc. Star Ocean and Tales of Phantasia took ~ 10 years and on completely different consoles before localization.

Now if there were shots of actual in game dialog or complete menu systems done in English, then I would be excited and say that localization is going to happen.

Wasn't Harrison the one that said that PS3 owners would be very very very happy with news being released a few months ago, which turned out only to be the disappointing MMO without the RPG @home. Most thought it was the announcement of a true FF7 remake or a hot exclusive.

Turomania · 12-05-2007, 04:01 AM

Shin-Ra!!!

Fantastic man. +2 volume was awesome! it worked perfect!!

Shin-Ra · 12-05-2007, 04:28 AM

I can't think of any reason why SCEA would stop localising Level 5 RPG's now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turomania

Shin-Ra!!!

Fantastic man. +2 volume was awesome! it worked perfect!!

Good to hear.

devonthedude · 12-05-2007, 04:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

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3.) Very good 1st year exclusive titles such as Heavenly Sword, Uncharted,
Resistance, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Fable, and Ratchet and Clank.

Don't you mean Folklore instead of Fable (Fable is made by Microsoft)
Figure its a typo.

ZeeMan84 · 12-05-2007, 04:48 AM

Love my PS3 so far, A+, especially for Blu-ray. Plus don't have to worry about the "Ring of Death".

Mystique · 12-05-2007, 04:56 AM

I had my PS3 since January and I bought it for gaming, but since owning it, I bought more movies than games, and watched movies more than I ever played games on the system. I currently have 18 blu-ray movies with 11 coming in the mail and 8 games. I didn't think I was going to watch movies on the system, but thats what im using the system for now basically, is so watch Blu-ray movies.

12-05-2007, 03:32 AM	#95
jason_grumpy Senior Member Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 4	Errrr... got confuzzled for a moment and crossed games in my mind. I meant Enchanted Arms. I haven't heard of any concrete news of White Knight Story being localized for US release, as everything I've heard of has been Japan only. I wouldn't let the English stuff in a Japanese game fool you though, there's quite a few titles, graphics, etc in Japanese games that are English. See Tales of Phantasia, Star Ocean, Final Fantasy 4,5,6, etc. Star Ocean and Tales of Phantasia took ~ 10 years and on completely different consoles before localization. Now if there were shots of actual in game dialog or complete menu systems done in English, then I would be excited and say that localization is going to happen. Wasn't Harrison the one that said that PS3 owners would be very very very happy with news being released a few months ago, which turned out only to be the disappointing MMO without the RPG @home. Most thought it was the announcement of a true FF7 remake or a hot exclusive. Last edited by jason_grumpy; 12-05-2007 at 03:42 AM.

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12-04-2007, 05:58 PM	#81
Turomania Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:22 Blu-ray collection:16	great! So your saying that the actuall PS3 has it's on volume control? For instance I'm watching cable and the reciever volume level is set to say 35, then I swith to PS3 on my reciever with the same 35 volume level and the movies are quite low. In order to hear them louder, I need to adjust the volume on my reciever way upto like 47 or so. Hey thanks for the quick info and response. Turo

12-04-2007, 06:03 PM	#82
Shin-Ra Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:5 Trading Score:1	I think I set mine to +2 quite some time back, it should do the trick for you too.

12-04-2007, 06:15 PM	#84
Turomania Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:22 Blu-ray collection:16	Thanks Shin-Ra

12-04-2007, 07:35 PM	#85
Quad Expert Member Member since:Oct 2007	I'd give it an A-. Just a few features on the video side that I figured they would already have, but the beauty of the PS3 is that they can be added later and probably will.

12-04-2007, 07:59 PM	#86
jason_grumpy Senior Member Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 4	I'll chime in here, and like many others I will split the grade with hardware/software. Hardware wise, I will give the PS3 an A+. This is possibly one of the most reliable pieces of hardware that I have ever owned. Since launch, mine has run nearly non stop 365 days out of this year (mostly folding) and hasn't so much as hiccuped. The added functionality not just for gaming really is the icing on the cake. BluRay, Mp3 Player, Video Player, Media Server capabilities, etc. In contrast, my dad's 360 is having issues reading discs after a year of use and being turned on half the time. At worst, I've had to use a can of compressed air to clear out some dust in the vents. This is just normal wear and tear however. Launch was hampered by some issues, such as PS1/2 game pixel flipping and bare bones firmware. Thankfully that was fixed with lots of features, and even some minor upscaling support was added for the ps1/2. Software wise, this is where the PS3 fails. At best I'd give it a D. So far I have not seen any must haves for the PS3. The games are good, but not great. There's nothing that has stuck in mind thinking that 'damn, that was a great game'. Instead I've been more impressed with the visuals. In contrast, my PS3 has more time total playing PSone or PS2 games and not PS3 games. Instead of developers focusing on the ultimate 3D environment, they should also be focusing on game content. No PS3 game has done this, but I suppose this is to be expected considering content has been dwindling away since the ps1 days. This really isn't the PS3's fault however, as all consoles today seem to be lacking games with innovative story lines and content. I guess it's just much easier to develop a pretty landscape and guns and hope people like it enough to make it a blockbuster. This might also be a matter of preference though, since this generation is the era of the shooter. PSone had great RPG's, PS2 had some great strategy games, but the PS3/360 is shoot-o-rama. To me, great shooter games will always be on the PC due to mod-ability, graphics, and controls. Consoles always have lacked this and still do. UT3 for example, If i decide to buy it, will only be for my PC. Sadly I don't see this changing in the near future. Shooters for the PS3/360 are lined up as far as the eye can see, with a few scattered side-scrollers and racing games, and only two RPG's in development. Squenix also didn't give me much hope for game development, as when asked recently if a PS3 port of FFonline was in the works they claimed it would take 5 years to do. A re-skin of textures and increasing polygons should not take 5 years. Coupled with their familiarity of the system (FF7 Demo), this concerns me greatly. Their comments can only tell me that developers are having difficulty grasping programming for multiprocessor environments. Sony should have known that programming for multiple processors is extremely difficult, given that dual cores/quadcores/multiproc PC's to this day have very little non enterprise apps coded for them. Sure a great load of potential is there for awesome raw computing power, but it takes a lot of work to them all work as one core efficiently. As far as another posters question as to what Blu-Ray has done for gaming, right now I'd say near next to nothing. If the best 25GB-50GB over 9GB can come up with is some extra maps in a shooter, call me disappointed. Where was the epic leap we saw when we went from 32mb carts to 640mb cds? Or 640mb cd's to 4GB dvd's? So far their has been none. I would love to see a BR disc fully utilized with a great RPG -- even if using pre-rendered backdrops at full 1920x1440 resolution, full voice acting, massive 100+ hour story lines, and HD FMV.

12-04-2007, 08:03 PM	#88
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	We know the Ps3's Hardware is top notch & well the XBOX360's.....IS NOT!!!!

12-05-2007, 04:01 AM	#96
Turomania Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:22 Blu-ray collection:16	Shin-Ra!!! Fantastic man. +2 volume was awesome! it worked perfect!!

12-05-2007, 04:48 AM	#99
ZeeMan84 Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Orlando, FL	Love my PS3 so far, A+, especially for Blu-ray. Plus don't have to worry about the "Ring of Death".

12-05-2007, 04:56 AM	#100
Mystique Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Newark, CA Blu-ray collection:240 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:1	I had my PS3 since January and I bought it for gaming, but since owning it, I bought more movies than games, and watched movies more than I ever played games on the system. I currently have 18 blu-ray movies with 11 coming in the mail and 8 games. I didn't think I was going to watch movies on the system, but thats what im using the system for now basically, is so watch Blu-ray movies.

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