HDMI 2.1: HDR Dynamic Metadata

[puddy77]

So for Dolby Vision, all you need is a DV compatible TV with an HDMI 2.0a connector (such as the Vizio P-Series or the 2016 LG OLED's) and a DV compatible component (as in some future UHD BD player with DV)? HDMI 2.1 is not needed for fully functional DV?

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by puddy77

So for Dolby Vision, all you need is a DV compatible TV with an HDMI 2.0a connector (such as the Vizio P-Series or the 2016 LG OLED's) and a DV compatible component (as in some future UHD BD player with DV)? HDMI 2.1 is not needed for fully functional DV?

That's correct.

[jibucha]

clarification :: Dolby Vision & HDMI :: Dolby Vision only requires HDMI 1.4

Originally Posted by puddy77

So for Dolby Vision, all you need is a DV compatible TV with an HDMI 2.0a connector (such as the Vizio P-Series or the 2016 LG OLED's) and a DV compatible component (as in some future UHD BD player with DV)? HDMI 2.1 is not needed for fully functional DV?

[Opips3]

This is stupid!




New HDMI 2.1 add for HDR Dyamic Metadata

HDMI 2.0 not!

[Joce]

Can we expect HDMI 2.1 for 2017 ?

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by Joce

Can we expect HDMI 2.1 for 2017 ?

Yes, we see to brighter HDMI 2.1 for 2017.

Expect to Dobly Vision enabled HDMI 2.1 is new code.

[bojtel123]

"However, Samsung confirmed to Display Daily that it will push out a firmware upgrade for its current TVs later this year to enable dynamic metadata for HDR. It is unclear if this update will apply only to 2016 models or if 2015 models will receive an update, too."

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1463138030

[DanBa]

SMPTE 2094 Dynamic HDR timeline:
. Dynamic metadata standard specification to be endorsed / published
. Standard dynamic HDR format(s) to be adopted / supported by studios
. Standard dynamic metadata tools / implementations of the HDR ecosystem from the post-production to the TV playback to be created / carried out

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I think the HDR timeline might look like this:

2014: SMPTE 2084 added to HEVC
2015: SMPTE 2084 used in consumer products
2016: HLG added to HEVC
2017: HLG used in consumer products
2018: SMPTE 2094 and ICtCp added to HEVC
2019: SMPTE 2094 and ICtCp used in consumer products

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I think that SMPTE 2094 will get added to the HEVC draft this year but that the next version of HEVC could get released in 2018. Granted they might release the next version of HEVC in 2017 if there are enough companies pushing for it.

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The current plan for the 5th edition of HEVC is that it will be technically finished in late 2017 and approved/published in early 2018.

HEVC H.265 (v5) timing: 2017-10
http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/workprog/wp...18&isn_qu=2025




Dynamic HDR: using SMPTE ST 2094 dynamic metadata
h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qgKFYEXAIw

Broadcast HDR: using SMPTE ST 2084 PQ (i.e. Dolby Vision / HDR10) and using HLG
http://www.itu.int/en/mediacentre/Pages/2016-PR27.aspx
http://www.astra2.org/eutelsat-launc...r-uhd-channel/

Royalty-free Internet HDR: VP9-PQ, VP9-HLG
https://source.android.com/devices/t...splay/hdr.html
http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articl...ts-111296.aspx
http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articl...ticleID=110383


Like HDR10, VP9-PQ is an incomplete HDR technology: the dynamic metadata adaptation for consistent visual, one of the 3 fundamental HDR building blocks, is missing.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=362
It won’t be surprised if the royalty-free VP9-PQ will support the royalty-free SMPTE ST 2094-40 dynamic metadata proposed by Samsung.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=389

Dolby Vision and the future SMPTE 2094-10 Dynamic HDR should be the same, leaving out the standardization stuff (SMPTE 2094-10 vs. Dolby-documented dynamic metadata, SMPTE 2094-10 metadata in HEVC stream vs. Dolby Vision metadata in separate stream, Standardized HDMI transport vs. Wrapped data transport over HDMI 1.4).
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=432
As SMPTE 2094-10 is an open standard, it seems that TV manufacturers can have their own SMPTE 2094-10 implementation and don’t have to use and pay the current Dolby DoVi IP color volume mapping. They will only pay the SMPTE 2094-10 fees, as they pay the open standard HEVC fees.

[MisterXDTV]

This format should never have launched without Dolby Vision from Day 1

Dynamic metadata is essential for SDR screens and more importantly, every projector on the market

Because of this crazy decision, the players and the TVs available today are already obsolete.... Unreal

[dlbsyst]

I think it is a game that the hardware manufacturers are playing with the buying public to force us to upgrade constantly. The constant change in the HDMI spec. is getting tiresome. Something tells me my relatively new 2015 Denon receiver that has HDMI 2.0a will not be upgraded and neither will my 2015 high end JS8500 Samsung. This is rediculous.

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by dlbsyst

I think it is a game that the hardware manufacturers are playing with the buying public to force us to upgrade constantly. The constant change in the HDMI spec. is getting tiresome. Something tells me my relatively new 2015 Denon receiver that has HDMI 2.0a will not be upgraded and neither will my 2015 high end JS8500 Samsung. This is rediculous.

Dolby Vision plan nail to 12bit 4:4:4 and so need enabled for HDR

Upgrade HDMI 2.1 cable is over than 23.7gbps. HDMI 2.0a is 17.8gbps. limit

[Stu123]

Originally Posted by flyry

Its getting ridiculous and I'm a damn nerd. The average consumer will be even more lost

They'll be a lot of people who've just decided it's time to get into HD and Blu-ray so those people aren't going to be into 4k anytime soon. It is a luxury really because a good 1080p TV, lossless audio system, 1st gen Xbox One or PS4 can still give you a great experience for films and games without 4k, HDR and Atmos and then you've got 3D which I don't want to be without now so it's a shame the industry seems to be happy for it to die off. The thing that's putting me off is I think I'll need a new audio system as I don't think I'll be able to receive HDR through my current one as it's only 1.4 not 2.0

[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by stubiedoo

They'll be a lot of people who've just decided it's time to get into HD and Blu-ray so those people aren't going to be into 4k anytime soon. It is a luxury really because a good 1080p TV, lossless audio system, 1st gen Xbox One or PS4 can still give you a great experience for films and games without 4k, HDR and Atmos and then you've got 3D which I don't want to be without now so it's a shame the industry seems to be happy for it to die off. The thing that's putting me off is I think I'll need a new audio system as I don't think I'll be able to receive HDR through my current one as it's only 1.4 not 2.0

All of the 4K bluray players have dedicated audio out and video out hdmis, so we are able to skip updating receivers

[zmarty]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

All of the 4K bluray players have dedicated audio out and video out hdmis, so we are able to skip updating receivers

... if you only care about the Blu-Ray player. But there are other streaming-only devices.

[kevnyuk]

Also HDMI 2.0a can't do the 100 and 120 fps for the High frame rate that will be coming next year.
As much as I wanted a model from 2016 I will just have to wait to see what is out come ces.

[Stu123]

Give it another 2-3 years and everything will be working all together like it should. It's going to be a long wait but the displays will be handling HDR much better so pop 2-3 years into the future and you've finally bought your new TV, receiver and Ultra HD player you're finally on the 4k bandwagon and about to watch your first 4k movie disc oh there's a trailer, coming soon.... 8K What!??

[RealorFake4K]

This reminds me of the whole BD-Live situation. It wasn't ready at launch and when it did arrive it was plagued with compatibility problems.

If you are nervous or mad... don't buy it. Wait until it satisfies YOUR needs.

[Brahmzy]

I'm loving my 940D. Best TV I've ever owned and I've owned a lot. TVs are obsolete as soon as you buy them. It's big and beautiful. Money well spent.
The real issue here is lack of *real* UHD content. UHD BD is a joke so far, as I suspected. Nothing but 2K upscale, and some quite poor at that.
My 940D has breathed new life into all content and 1080p looks absolutely stunning with the upscaler in the 940D.

[stargazeruk]

Originally Posted by dlbsyst

I think it is a game that the hardware manufacturers are playing with the buying public to force us to upgrade constantly. The constant change in the HDMI spec. is getting tiresome. Something tells me my relatively new 2015 Denon receiver that has HDMI 2.0a will not be upgraded and neither will my 2015 high end JS8500 Samsung. This is rediculous.

I'm waiting till its all been sorted out now. I don't think I'll be upgrading beyond 4k especially when the content is a mixed back of either real/upscale 4k. I am also getting fed up of these little upgrades coming to soon to make people upgrade.

My TV does not do HDR but does do everything else I wanted. 4K resolution and 3D and is a smart TV.

I always believe that TV manufactures are living in a fantasy land of their own and believe that everyone upgrades every 2 years but only people that do that are those that have mostly more money then sense most of the time or those that want to have the latest and greatest and can afford it.

I'll think I'll set my time table for my TV upgrade to be in 2020 and then access the current situation of the tech and make a decision then as to keep my TV or stick with what I got unless my TV dies after the warranty expires then I will go get a new TV.

[Geoff D]

Same here. I sold TVs for more than a decade so I know better than most that these things are obsolete as soon as you buy them. Well, I thought I knew better as this whole UHD/HDR rollout caught me on the hop, it's been a gargantuan cluster**** and it's not done yet, not by a long chalk.

I'll be buying a UHD player when I can get a Panny for £300 but I won't be upgrading my SDR 4K TV any time soon.