The Transformers: The Movie (1986) (30th Anniversary Edition)

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

You're not Unicron.

I wonder how much it should be sold for.

Who says I'm not Unicron?

[IdeaOfEvil]

People need to read the fine print - Shout! is scanning the movie from 35mm elements and not a 35mm print of the entire film.

There's so much cloudiness when it comes to this movie that a lot of people have confused the fact that the original film was lost in the 80's. The original aspect ratio'd film from 1986 hasn't been seen since 1986. All that has existed for Transformers has been the 4:3 cropped ratio that the vhs home release had, and all Sony did was crop that 4:3 ratio crop into a new widescreen ratio.

So yea, seeing this movie in widescreen is even farther away from how it was intended to be seen in the 80's since the movie was lost back then

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

People need to read the fine print - Shout! is scanning the movie from 35mm elements and not a 35mm print of the entire film.

There's so much cloudiness when it comes to this movie that a lot of people have confused the fact that the original film was lost in the 80's. The original aspect ratio'd film from 1986 hasn't been seen since 1986. All that has existed for Transformers has been the 4:3 cropped ratio that the vhs home release had, and all Sony did was crop that 4:3 ratio crop into a new widescreen ratio.

So yea, seeing this movie in widescreen is even farther away from how it was intended to be seen in the 80's since the movie was lost back then

.... this is nuts.

[IdeaOfEvil]

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

.... this is nuts.

Prove me wrong?

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

Prove me wrong?

You have no sources. You're spouting nonsense. Complete film elements exist, and have been the source for the Metrodome, Sony and Madman releases.

[IdeaOfEvil]

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

You have no sources. You're spouting nonsense.

I'm presenting an actual opinion that I've learned to be fact. If you wanna convince me I'm wrong, say something - I'm open to debate. But you're just trolling and calling me nuts. How does that disprove anything I'm saying?

[captveg]

No one ever scans from a release print unless original elements are lost. Original elements - something specifically called out by SF in their press release - is what the vast majority (as in 99% of new scans) are sourced from. The term "original elements" typically refers to the 35mm negative or answer print.

While it's true that Sony's 2006 release was likely zoomed in - something quite common for home video releases for matted widescreen films until just the last 5-6 years - that's no reason whatseover to suggest that going back to the original 35mm elements like Shout is doing won't yield the correctly matted, non-zoomed 1.85:1 theatrical image. Indeed, that would be one of the main points for doing a new scan in HD of the original 35mm film elements.

But one should still expect a lot of the top and bottom of the animation seen in the 1.33:1 to be missing, i.e. matted over. That's what is done for non-anamorphic widescreen films since 1954.

[RodChester]

This is from the Transformers wiki

Although it was billed in some advertisements before its theatrical release as being "widescreen", the movie was in fact animated in a 4:3 (fullscreen) aspect ratio. For its theatrical screenings, the film was matted down in the projector by the projectionist to a 16:9 aspect ratio (widescreen), chopping the top and bottom off the picture, but all video transfers of the movie were done without mattes, meaning that there was actually more picture visible in the fullscreen video and DVD releases than there would have been in theaters. Across 2006 and 2007, new editions of the DVD of the film were released by Sony BMG and Metrodome which applied the mattes in order to replicate the original theatrical presentation of the film for the first time in home entertainment. Some fans, however, didn't realize that the film wasn't actually animated in widescreen, and, hearing that the DVD was to be in widescreen, expected to see the fullscreen image with additional footage at the sides, causing them to complain that the top and bottom were cut off, thereby totally missing the point.

Seems that IdeaofEvil is indeed spouting nonsense. Unless he can provide a source.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Transform...vie#Formatting

[IdeaOfEvil]

Years ago I had read that the original film was lost, but then re-found at some college or academic institute sometime in the mid 2000's. But with further inspection, the idea was still that the original film from the 80's was lost and that this new rediscovery was at least a closer (as close to) ratio that it originally played at in theaters.

If Shout! has that film, or a copy of it, they could certainly recreate the original OAR without sacrificing too much. But because the original film has been lost, there just will never be an authentic recreation of the film as it was shown in the 80's.

And I'm not trying to nitpick, cuz a matter of millimeters missing from the sides of an image won't distract me. But Sony did a bad crop job with their 20th anniversary release, and I hope Shout! won't create a similar false widescreen for the sake of aspect ratio because fans think the image hasn't been tampered with beforehand already.

[gaastra]

That cover art is awful. Why not use the japan poster like all the other Blu-ray releases?

[IMG][/IMG]

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

Years ago I had read that the original film was lost, but then re-found at some college or academic institute sometime in the mid 2000's. But with further inspection, the idea was still that the original film from the 80's was lost and that this new rediscovery was at least a closer (as close to) ratio that it originally played at in theaters.

If Shout! has that film, or a copy of it, they could certainly recreate the original OAR without sacrificing too much. But because the original film has been lost, there just will never be an authentic recreation of the film as it was shown in the 80's.

And I'm not trying to nitpick, cuz a matter of millimeters missing from the sides of an image won't distract me. But Sony did a bad crop job with their 20th anniversary release, and I hope Shout! won't create a similar false widescreen for the sake of aspect ratio because fans think the image hasn't been tampered with beforehand already.

Not really. There was a lot of bluster coming from people like Metrodome in order to sell certain of their editions (the 'reconstructed' version springs to mind which used an open-matte transfer, and not for the better) but you can clearly see that Shout are in possession of the IP, which (stop me if you've heard this one) is a film element that's derived directly from the original negative.

While there is no substitute for the negative in terms of quality, an IP is still an archival pre-print element at least two generations better off than any theatrical print, and you can also see the word 'flat' on the film cans which denotes that this may also include any of the 'full frame' information that was contained on the negative. What Shout will do with that information is tough to say for sure, but one would assume that a matted 1.78 transfer is in the offing to preserve the original theatrical intent. (Yes, I know it should technically be 1.85 but Shout are like Warners: they just don't do 1.85, man.)

[Germanicus]

Originally Posted by gaastra

That cover art is awful. Why not use the japan poster like all the other Blu-ray releases?

[IMG][/IMG]

That's funny. I just wrote that on the news side announcement of TFs the movie.
It looks like screenshots from the movie. Sigh

[Steelguy]

Great news, I never did get the UK release which has been OOP a long time too, funny thing is I was going to buy this last month, I guess I will wait now, hopefully they give it some nice extras.

Originally Posted by Germanicus

That's funny. I just wrote that on the news side announcement of TFs the movie.
It looks like screenshots from the movie. Sigh

I like this poster image too, we should get the usual reverse cover, with one the movie posters, the UK one had a different cover too from what I can see.

[beatnikslacker]

Yes. YES. F#$K YES!

Ive been hoping against hope that this would get released on blu ray THIS anniversary. such great freaking news.

[The Great Owl]

Yay! Shout Factory has got the touch, and they've got the power.

[L.J.]

Cool didn't know this was coming out.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by just1nj

Shout should do us a solid and release this early at SDCC Probably won't happen though.

What ~6 weeks? I've waited this long, for a domestic BD release, I don't mind waiting a few months more.

[R3P0]

I may cry

[Deathbymonkeys]

Originally Posted by gaastra

That cover art is awful. Why not use the japan poster like all the other Blu-ray releases?

[IMG][/IMG]

Because that looks like a hot pile of crap?

[Gargus]

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

Prove me wrong?

You haven't done anything to prove yourself right.