Superman 2: The Richard Donner Cut has an extended version?

[DanielC]

Originally Posted by OneWayFilms

I remember the 3 villains arrival scene and the arm wrestle scene.

Is that in the theatrical version?

Thats the Lester version indeed

[TylerDurden389]

Originally Posted by DanielC

Thats the Lester version indeed

Ah, but in the extended version of the Donne Cut, that particular theatrical/Lester scene was still there. Including the deleted scenes of Non killing the boy which is NOT in the theatrical version. Only in the tv broadcast version. Funny, thanks to this rare extended version of The Donner Cut, this scene now appears in 2 broadcasted versions, but not in the official versions available on physical media, lol.

[OneWayFilms]

I absolutely HATE it when they make several cuts on one film. Just like Close Encounters of the Third Kind. You like elements of each cut and just wish all of the best elements were in ONE version.

Is there a blu ray version of the television cut available?

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by OneWayFilms

I absolutely HATE it when they make several cuts on one film. Just like Close Encounters of the Third Kind. You like elements of each cut and just wish all of the best elements were in ONE version.

Is there a blu ray version of the television cut available?

Not officially, not yet.

This particular version of Superman II is a real head-scratcher. If this was a pre-final version of the Donner cut, why does it have a finished 5.1 sound mix? How did Vudu get this, when most of the other digital retailers have the "official" 116-minute version? It's just really weird.

[TylerDurden389]

As much as I'd like to believe that a remastered blu of the tv edit of S2 will get released like S1 and Supergirl have, due to different footage shot by different directors (especially when Donner was adamant on using as little of Lester's footage as possible, and Lester has disappeared off the face of the Earth), I don't see it ever happening.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden389

As much as I'd like to believe that a remastered blu of the tv edit of S2 will get released like S1 and Supergirl have, due to different footage shot by different directors (especially when Donner was adamant on using as little of Lester's footage as possible, and Lester has disappeared off the face of the Earth), I don't see it ever happening.

I guess it depends on how well the TV cut of S1 sold, and whether or not there are good enough elements of the S2 TV cut available. (From what I understand, the only reason we got S1 was that a complete print in good shape was found in the vault somewhere.)

[FrankGrimes1970]

Originally Posted by BNex99

I guess it depends on how well the TV cut of S1 sold, and whether or not there are good enough elements of the S2 TV cut available. (From what I understand, the only reason we got S1 was that a complete print in good shape was found in the vault somewhere.)

TDC dvd included deleted scenes that have the same music cues and edits as the tv cut, so we know a widescreen print exists. The entore tv cut of S1 was probably in the same shape as those aforementioned deleted scenes, so I would think it wouldn't take much to spruce up the tv cut of S2 for a BD release.

[R0CK0X]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

The version Amazon Digital is selling and the version you can rent on YouTube are also the 2 hr 2 min cut.

Interestingly, Amazon Prime has the 2 hr 2 min version of this, but Prime in Canada is still the 1 hr 55 min version (same as the disc).

[ShellBeacher]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4923


-- Thau claims that The VUDU version of Superman II is NOT an early version of "The Donner Cut" -- Thau/Donner didn't have anything to do with it -- It sounds like a version done years later at Warner Bros, and Thau is surprised that Warners Frankenstein'ed it together and released that without letting Donner know -- since Donner's name is on it.

Episode #33:

https://www.capedwonder.com/caped-wo...erman-podcast/

[Kamdan]

Originally Posted by ShellBeacher

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4923


-- Thau claims that The VUDU version of Superman II is NOT an early version of "The Donner Cut" -- Thau/Donner didn't have anything to do with it -- It sounds like a version done years later at Warner Bros, and Thau is surprised that Warners Frankenstein'ed it together and released that without letting Donner know -- since Donner's name is on it.

Episode #33:

https://www.capedwonder.com/caped-wo...erman-podcast/

Thau is gravely mistaken. Donner specifically mentions in the commentary that he was shown a cut of this by Thau that included the scene when the boy is killed by the police siren and the soufflé scene and he wanted them cut out.

[TylerDurden389]

Originally Posted by Kamdan

Thau is gravely mistaken. Donner specifically mentions in the commentary that he was shown a cut of this by Thau that included the scene when the boy is killed by the police siren and the soufflé scene and he wanted them cut out.

Do you remember when specifically in the commentary that he says this? I really don't wanna watch that version for 2 hours (possibly) just to hear it. The Donner Cut dissapointed me so much in how it was edited that I discovered a fan edit of it a month after it was released, which was followed by many, MANY fan edits after that in the years since. Each one better than the last. That VUDU version was the first time I watched The Donner Cut in probably 12 years lol.

[ShellBeacher]

Originally Posted by Kamdan

Thau is gravely mistaken. Donner specifically mentions in the commentary that he was shown a cut of this by Thau that included the scene when the boy is killed by the police siren and the soufflé scene and he wanted them cut out.

This is interesting, then. It may indeed be that version? And it may just be a case of poor memory on Thau's part. I think I only really listened to that commentary once when I initially bought the set, so I will revisit it.

[adamclark83]

I love the Donner Cut but the other day I did notice something off about it.

In the original theatrical version, you see Zod, Non and Ursa have their confrontation with "Sheriff J.W. Pepper" and his deputy then having their fun with the town's citizens before the newsman's broadcast which makes sense when he states "As I look west into East Houston this morning, I see a town gripped with... fear."

In the Donner Cut, Zod, Non and Ursa have their confrontation with "Sheriff J.W. Pepper" and his deputy and then the newsman's broadcast which makes less sense when he states "As I look west into East Houston this morning, I see a town gripped with... fear."

[Nick Michalak]

Originally Posted by adamclark83

I love the Donner Cut but the other day I did notice something off about it.

In the original theatrical version, you see Zod, Non and Ursa have their confrontation with "Sheriff J.W. Pepper" and his deputy then having their fun with the town's citizens before the newsman's broadcast which makes sense when he states "As I look west into East Houston this morning, I see a town gripped with... fear."

In the Donner Cut, Zod, Non and Ursa have their confrontation with "Sheriff J.W. Pepper" and his deputy and then the newsman's broadcast which makes less sense when he states "As I look west into East Houston this morning, I see a town gripped with... fear."

Nice point because there's an extended version of the Donner Cut on some streaming services that add scenes back in of Zod, Ursa, & Non going into town and wrecking shop. Also, the souffle scene with Superman and Lois was also added back in amidst those other scenes. I discovered it when researching a video on the film last year. It was on Prime Video back in May.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by adamclark83

I love the Donner Cut but the other day I did notice something off about it.

In the original theatrical version, you see Zod, Non and Ursa have their confrontation with "Sheriff J.W. Pepper" and his deputy then having their fun with the town's citizens before the newsman's broadcast which makes sense when he states "As I look west into East Houston this morning, I see a town gripped with... fear."

In the Donner Cut, Zod, Non and Ursa have their confrontation with "Sheriff J.W. Pepper" and his deputy and then the newsman's broadcast which makes less sense when he states "As I look west into East Houston this morning, I see a town gripped with... fear."

I think you have to just roll with the idea that they had been terrorizing the town, you just don't get the same context as the theatrical. Reason is all of that footage was shot by Lester, and the idea of the Donner cut was to minimize Lester's footage, only showing just enough when necessary to keep the story coherent.

My hangup with the Donner cut is keeping the original ending with Clark approaching the trucker at the diner. Having reversed time again, the scene doesn't work, because their original altercation never happened (and I've tried looking at the scene as if Clark is just going in there picking a fight with the guy as if it was the first time they met, and I don't think it works that way, either). I get why the scene was included though, as the time-reversal ending was not going to be reused for Donner's actual finished film.

[hanshotfirst1138]

If someone wanted to, hypothetically, find the extended TV cut, where would one look?

[JediJones77]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

My hangup with the Donner cut is keeping the original ending with Clark approaching the trucker at the diner. Having reversed time again, the scene doesn't work, because their original altercation never happened (and I've tried looking at the scene as if Clark is just going in there picking a fight with the guy as if it was the first time they met, and I don't think it works that way, either). I get why the scene was included though, as the time-reversal ending was not going to be reused for Donner's actual finished film.

No, the returning to fight the bully scene was always intended to come after the time reversal. There's a deleted scene where Jimmy shows Clark his new camera (indicating time reversal, because Non destroyed his new camera earlier), and then a bully encounters Clark at the elevator. This reminds Clark about the bully at the diner, leading him to go back there. Clark lets the bully throw the first punch. So he's just replaying history but making it turn out "right" this time, where the bully is taught a lesson.

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138

If someone wanted to, hypothetically, find the extended TV cut, where would one look?

I found it on Facebook a while back somehow. I love the editing of the White House invasion scene in the TV cut. I feel like it must've been edited by Stuart Baird while Donner was still working on the film, because it flows perfectly. Thau's version cut out several sight gags from it, and his editing is just shabby.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by JediJones77

No, the returning to fight the bully scene was always intended to come after the time reversal. There's a deleted scene where Jimmy shows Clark his new camera (indicating time reversal, because Non destroyed his new camera earlier), and then a bully encounters Clark at the elevator. This reminds Clark about the bully at the diner, leading him to go back there. Clark lets the bully throw the first punch. So he's just replaying history but making it turn out "right" this time, where the bully is taught a lesson.

Yeah but the scene to me implies that their altercation at the diner had happened, not just from the trucker's perspective but the owners of the diner, who recognize Clark and acknowledge what happened earlier "I just got this place fixed up!"
I mean, I guess it works where Clark is just a stranger picking a fight with the guy and the owners could be alluding to something else (maybe that trucker picks fights with a lot people!) but it seems like kind of a stretch. The scene just seems to make much more sense when it's Clark returning for a rematch then going there for the "first time."

[TylerDurden389]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Yeah but the scene to me implies that their altercation at the diner had happened, not just from the trucker's perspective but the owners of the diner, who recognize Clark and acknowledge what happened earlier "I just got this place fixed up!"
I mean, I guess it works where Clark is just a stranger picking a fight with the guy and the owners could be alluding to something else (maybe that trucker picks fights with a lot people!) but it seems like kind of a stretch. The scene just seems to make much more sense when it's Clark returning for a rematch then going there for the "first time."

I think what could've made it work was, when the lady behind the counter says "Here comes Mr. Wonderful" in the first diner scene, if there was an extra bit of dialogue between her and the old guy behind the counter that has them discussing how much they have to pay for all the damages this trucker causes by getting into constant fights ("Hopefully it doesn't cost us more than a few hundred this time"). Maybe have one of the patrons even say something like "Me and the boys were betting on the next mess he'd make here. Looks like they owe me 20 bucks" and laughs.

This way, said trucker getting into fights and causing damage is a recurring thing, and even with the time-reversal ending, Superman isn't purposely picking a fight with some guy that doesn't recognize him. Nor are the remarks about fixing up the place referring to the earlier fight that now no longer happened. Granted, when Superman goes back there, it would also help if one of the patrons said something like "Does this poindexter really think he can take that guy?". Because if the patrons did refer to Superman 'returning' with dialogue like "The nerd is back for more!!", then the time-reversal wouldn't be able to work.

[SuperMike91]

If Warner Bros found a widescreen picture master for the TV Cut of the first film, it seems logical that they found one for the second film as well.