The Incredibles 4K UHD (2004)

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

It's 2K and it will be on this disc, too. Pixar has indicated that they tested re-rendering at 4K for UHD releases and decided that the cost/benefit wasn't there, so they'll be sticking with 2K for their UHDs for the foreseeable future.

That is SO lame. What’s the point in even releasing on 4K UHD if the transfer isnt going to be native 4K?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by The Edge

What’s the point in even releasing on 4K UHD if the transfer isnt going to be native 4K?

Higher bandwidth, high dynamic range, more efficient compression, wide color gamut, increased chromatic resolution and professional scaling.

Not too bad for a ~$5 premium, if you ask me.

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Higher bandwidth, high dynamic range, more efficient compression, wide color gamut, increased chromatic resolution and professional scaling.

Not too bad for a ~$5 premium, if you ask me.

But still, you may as well just stick with your 2K BDs. They’re both wasting money and time putting an inferior (in 2018 standards) 2K transfer on a 4K BD and calling it 4K. If you’re gonna realease your feature in 4K, it’s best to not half-ass it.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by The Edge

But still, you may as well just stick with your 2K BDs.

Only if you want inferior image quality.

Originally Posted by The Edge

They’re both wasting money and time putting an inferior (in 2018 standards) 2K transfer on a 4K BD and calling it 4K. If you’re gonna realease your feature in 4K, it’s best to not half-ass it.

It’s a 2K movie and they’re putting it on UHD with very little visual compromise. The Pixar UHDs released so far (Cars 3 and Coco) are at least three-quarter-assed.

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by The Edge

That is SO lame. What’s the point in even releasing on 4K UHD if the transfer isnt going to be native 4K?

Don’t buy it. Pure and easy.

[Geoff D]

We've got another one!

[idlebrain]

Its not about 2K upscale is inferior or anything most of the 2k upscales proved otherwise..but pixar dropping the ball for monitory reasons is not right.I am not expert on costs involved but these pixar movies are universally loved and will sell good.I'm sure 4K rendering would have looked magnificent and future proof for next format.
At least I am glad we are finally seeing catalog titles from Disney/Pixar.

[Cobolisdead]

I can't wait for this film to come out in 4K! Definitely a day 1 UHD pick up for me!

[newtonp01]

Originally Posted by idlebrain

Its not about 2K upscale is inferior or anything most of the 2k upscales proved otherwise..but pixar dropping the ball for monitory reasons is not right.I am not expert on costs involved but these pixar movies are universally loved and will sell good.I'm sure 4K rendering would have looked magnificent and future proof for next format.

True...but I'm also pretty sure if you were the head of Pixar you also wouldn't spend 10s of millions on native 4K rendering to get maybe 1/10th of that back, if you're lucky.

[Geoff D]

I dunno about "10s of millions" but I agree in principal with that, I'm not sure where it even said that money was at the root of the decision anyway, apart from people with their "I'm with cynical" hats on. The director literally said "We’ve done tests and don’t see enough of a visual benefit to render at 4K", I don't know how that could be any clearer.

It's not that 4K doesn't give you some added juice, it's how much juice it truly adds vs the time it takes to turn it around, plus other concerns like the loss of spatial resolution that is incurred should they want to "dirty up" the image - designing the 'photography' to match real-world lenses and stops as they did - as well as the temporal resolution that goes out the window whenever things start moving, 24fps being what it is.

There's a reason why 4K VFX is still very rare for feature films, but even on some that had it e.g. Tomorrowland they dropped in 2K VFX for shots that lose so much temporal detail anyway that the viewer would never notice.

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

We've got another one!

Whatever.

When you buy 4K with your hard-earned money, don't you expect to be given 4K?

As a common buyer, I do.

I was sorely disappointed w/ Terminator 2's 4K transfer. I'm baffled by those who complain about the Back to the Future trilogy BDs receiving what they deem to be inferior transfers, but are perfectly okay with movies on a 4K physical format not having native 4K transfers. Seems like a double standard to me.

Blu-ray: "The Look and Sound of PERFECT".

Whatever happened to that?

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by ToEhrIsHuman

Personally I'd like to finally have 'The Incredibles' in 3D

Personally I'd like to as well. I'd like to upgrade all my Pixar discs to 4K. Pixar is making it hard for me and others with the same goal to justify doing so when they half-ass their product like this. A 2K scan with all the technological bells and whistles is not the same as a TRUE 4K scan, and people here know it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by The Edge

Whatever.

When you buy 4K with your hard-earned money, don't you expect to be given 4K?

As a common buyer, I do.

I was sorely disappointed w/ Terminator 2's 4K transfer. I'm baffled by those who complain about the Back to the Future trilogy BDs receiving what they deem to be inferior transfers, but are perfectly okay with movies on a 4K physical format not having native 4K transfers. Seems like a double standard to me.

Blu-ray: "The Look and Sound of PERFECT".

Whatever happened to that?

Universal were the ones who touted that piece of marketing spiel, and look what happened to most of their catalogue BDs, BTTF included. Heh.

T2 is a piss-poor UHD but ironically enough that one WAS from a 4K remaster. Double heh.

All them K's mean jack shit if the people pulling the strings are asleep at the wheel, yes I'm mixing my metaphors but I'm a rebel, see.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by The Edge

Blu-ray: "The Look and Sound of PERFECT".

Whatever happened to that?

THAT was the HD DVD format slogan. It went away when HD DVD did.


Universal used "The Perfect HI-DEF MOVIE Experience" for their early discs.
Disney was "Beyond High Definition"

[newtonp01]

It's true that a 4K render may not cost 10's of millions for The Incredibles (though it likely would for any modern Pixar film!), but the point is it would still cost more than it would earn, barring a theatrical re-release. And honestly, I'm not too sure that there's that much detail in the texturing in a CG movie from 2004.

Originally Posted by The Edge

Whatever.

When you buy 4K with your hard-earned money, don't you expect to be given 4K?

As a common buyer, I do.

I was sorely disappointed w/ Terminator 2's 4K transfer. I'm baffled by those who complain about the Back to the Future trilogy BDs receiving what they deem to be inferior transfers, but are perfectly okay with movies on a 4K physical format not having native 4K transfers. Seems like a double standard to me.

Blu-ray: "The Look and Sound of PERFECT".

Whatever happened to that?

Firstly, we're not common buyers here. The common buyer is purchasing DVD's and streaming low-bitrate video.

Secondly, T2 is actually a true 4K scan, as mentioned earlier. The majority of 2K upscales look better than it.

Thirdly, as a buyer I expect to be given the best presentation possible. Regardless of an upscale or not, UHD's (as mentioned in practically every other post on this forum) generally still have HDR, WCG, 10bit, better compression, immersive audio, and even at 2K still have an increase in detail. And if we're being really pedantic you aren't being gyped by the studio because the container of the disc is 4K, no matter what is in it. But regardless of all that - I love the movie as an art form. I'll always pay top dollar to have my favorite movies in the absolute best presentation possible no matter what it is.

And as to your last point, that's just a marketing slogan. Not all blu-rays are perfect. Would you go to McDonalds and sue them if you don't love it?

I hope this doesn't sound too confrontational. Don't get me wrong, I would love a true 4K render but it's just not feasible for the producers and it's most likely never gonna happen so why not get the next best thing?

Originally Posted by AgeofUltron

Crossing fingers for Apocalypto and the Village next!

I would LOVE to get Apocalypto but I'd be honestly surprised if we ever see it on the format.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by The Edge

But still, you may as well just stick with your 2K BDs. They’re both wasting money and time putting an inferior (in 2018 standards) 2K transfer on a 4K BD and calling it 4K. If you’re gonna realease your feature in 4K, it’s best to not half-ass it.

Nah, I Buy UHDs because they look better than the bluray.

[BallistikBluray]

Most people don't know what a digital intermediate is, so Disney wouldn't be able to sell more copies based on that fact alone. Makes sense for them to use the 2k. I will be buying this because I still haven't got the Blu-ray for this one. Hope we get a steelbook!

[benji888578]

Originally Posted by i_max2k2

Day one (my favorite animated movie).

...

Still my all-time favorite animated movie also.

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Back in 2012 Dolby showcased some scenes of The Incredibles in Dolby Atmos. No idea, if they were working on an actual Dolby Atmos remix, but OK.

https://www.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3...m-demo-theater...

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Incredibles had a hugely active Dolby Surround EX mix theatrically. I would not be surprised in the least if Bird/Pixar had Skywalker remix it into Atmos like Incredibles 2 will be.

Considering they were working on (and I assume, completed, but not released) a 3D conversion set for 2014 theatrical & 3D BD release, it's highly likely an Atmos (theatrical) mix was also already in the works/done, (...the Atmos demo would either be to explore the option or because it was already in the works), also, Finding Nemo in 2012 was re-released in 3D and Dolby Atmos (in theaters), Disney has been including Atmos mixes on their 4K/UHD releases so far, so I'd be surprised if the UHD BD doesn't have Atmos.

Originally Posted by ZHobbs

http://www.tested.com/art/movies/449...-3d-interview/

Yup


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Originally Posted by jala12

Would they have to re-render anything or would this be the same render that they used for the BD?

according to the above mentioned (2012) article, it is possible: "We do have the ability to re-render any of our films at a higher resolution such as 4K should we choose to in the future." ...but, they could upscale the 2K DI, if they are lazy. Seems like re-rendering for 4K is a no-brainer for a completely computer based film, (IMO).

Originally Posted by ToEhrIsHuman

Personally I'd like to finally have 'The Incredibles' in 3D

me too

[guachi]

Even if there are now clear visual benefits to 4k re-render Disney could always put a marketing blurb on the cover saying "All new re-mastered in 4k for the best viewing experience!"

It's Disney and if anyone can make such an endeavour financially worthwhile it'd be Disney as they seem to be good at getting top dollar for catalog animated films. The Incredibles probably has a far smaller market among new buyers than it would to double-dippers so marketing matters more in getting people to buy than the mere existence of the film would.

I'm not going to sweat it, myself. But how Disney handles this release is a signal to how they might handle future releases.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by guachi

Even if there are now clear visual benefits to 4k re-render Disney could always put a marketing blurb on the cover saying "All new re-mastered in 4k for the best viewing experience!"

It's Disney and if anyone can make such an endeavour financially worthwhile it'd be Disney as they seem to be good at getting top dollar for catalog animated films. The Incredibles probably has a far smaller market among new buyers than it would to double-dippers so marketing matters more in getting people to buy than the mere existence of the film would.

I'm not going to sweat it, myself. But how Disney handles this release is a signal to how they might handle future releases.

if they continue compressing audio dynamic range on their discs, they truly are stupid.